Aparently I'm a 'calories in, calories out drone'! Haha

chunkytfg

I had a Facebook friend ask last night for help with an article they are writing for the new year with us asked to give info and hints/tips for how to deal with the Xmas weight gain and getting healthy in the new year.

I gave the usual advice given here every single day about all calories being equal in the pursuit of weight loss and 2k of doughnuts and day versus 2k of chicken and veg are still 2k. Any diet that stops you eating what you like eating and heavily restricts your intake will fail and that exercise isnt necessary to lose weight. And Buy a set of scales and weigh your food.

Aparently i'm completely wrong as not all calories are equal and scales are pointless. All you need is smaller plates and healthy food.

Somehow the concept that I could both gain weight eating chicken and veg and lose weight eating doughnuts was completely lost on this one guy who just so happens to run a business offering 5 star week long retreats aimed at teaching good food habits and weight loss. Me pointing out that his whole business model relies on him failing to acheive meaningful understanding of how to lose weight so his clients come back agin and again was lost on him!! Lol

Certainly made for an entertaining evening!

Grey_1

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Verity1111

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Seems legit and totally plausible to me.

chunkytfg

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Thats awesome! Thank you.

Leaving it be though. No way am I ever going to get him to agree i'm right after all the guy has built his business around the idea that i'm wrong!!

Grey_1

Verity1111 wrote: »

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Seems legit and totally plausible to me.

That's how I view it now as well, but it required a major mindset change for me. I started with mfp with less than even a basic understanding of CICO, and most of you folks have forgotten more about nutrition than I know.

Got to start somewhere, right?

DeficitDuchess

chunkytfg wrote: »

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Thats awesome! Thank you.

Leaving it be though. No way am I ever going to get him to agree i'm right after all the guy has built his business around the idea that i'm wrong!!

Which's why he's still in business, if he, Weight Watchers, etc. were meant to help people lose weight & keep them, from regaining it; they'd already be out of business! He most likely knows, what he's doing; he's doing it intentionally but playing you, into believing that he isn't purposely; scamming people!

RoxieDawn

To even think that someone can lose weight using a free app and with a small investment in a food scale is still mind blowing to me!

This is one of those scenarios where you chose your battles and to the ones out there that just want to sound "right" for the sake of sounding "right".. move on.

chunkytfg

RoxieDawn wrote: »

To even think that someone can lose weight using a free app and with a small investment in a food scale is still mind blowing to me!

This is one of those scenarios where you chose your battles and to the ones out there that just want to sound "right" for the sake of sounding "right".. move on.

Exactly. How can it be so simple as to buy a 10 dollar/pound digital scale download a free app and not have to spend hundred and hundreds on quick fix solutions!!

And yes I picked my battle in this case and will just leave it. Better things to do than try and educate the ignorant

Grey_1

chunkytfg wrote: »

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Thats awesome! Thank you.

Leaving it be though. No way am I ever going to get him to agree i'm right after all the guy has built his business around the idea that i'm wrong!!

As little as I know about the whole subject, I'm already walking away from arguments in my family about it. It just is not worth it.

cee134

Grey_1 wrote: »

chunkytfg wrote: »

Grey_1 wrote: »

You could always ask him to read this.

I admit I had a ton of skepticism when I saw that, but in spite of my best efforts, I couldn't find anything to debunk the story.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

(CNN) -- Twinkies. Nutty bars. Powdered donuts.
For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.
His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.
But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Thats awesome! Thank you.

Leaving it be though. No way am I ever going to get him to agree i'm right after all the guy has built his business around the idea that i'm wrong!!

As little as I know about the whole subject, I'm already walking away from arguments in my family about it. It just is not worth it.

Someone once told me they like CICO because they can eat whatever they want (just not how much they want). At the time I knew that but I was looking for the magic bullet diet. But after trying the Atkins diet I deiced to join MFP, which was back in 2011. I ended up losing 100 lbs in about 3 years. The problem was I didn't do maintenance right and ignored my logging, choosing to guess instead... and guess what. I gained it all back.

Now I'm back down over 30 lbs and found as long as I come into MFP once a day and talk to people on the forums, I also count my calories. Since October I've gained 6 lbs, but that was from me doing cheat weekends every weekend and not coming on the forums. CICO is really as easy as it gets as long as it is easy to record them.