Lifting/Nutrition Question

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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    The__Wolf wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    The__Wolf wrote: »
    trigden1991 wrote: »
    The__Wolf wrote: »
    While it may still be a little ways off, you will have to start switching away from using "weight lost" as a measure of your success since strength/muscular definition will increase the "density" of your body making you weigh more even though you are much, much healthier and fitter.

    1lb of muscle weighs the same as a 1lb of fat.

    Yes, but 1lb of muscle is denser than 1lb of fat which is why I specificly used density as a measure.

    Regardless, I'm not sure I understand what your concern is. When you get to a certain level of body fat %, weight is no longer a good indicator of health (less weight is not an indication of progress). Do you disagree?

    This is kind of a ridiculous argument, too. The OP is a female who is not going to gain any type of appreciable muscle while she is in a cut. Even if people have the ability to gain muscle in a deficit, it's largely not going to occur anywhere close to the same rate of fat loss. I would be surprised if the OP even had the ability to gain 1lb of muscle while losing her last 20 lbs, especially consider that women in a surplus are limited to roughly 1/4lb per week.


    At this point, the OP's bigger concern is to get stronger and hope to preserve lbm.

    This wasn't an "argument" for anything besides the fact that how much you weigh is an inaccurate measure of health for people with high amounts of lean mass. Not sure how this is a "ridiculous" POV.

    Secondly, my initial post explicitly starts with "at some point" not "right now."

    Ridiculous wasn't probably a good choice of words for your post, but the application of 1 lb of muscle vs 1 lb of fat, is general not going to apply. It's more applicable when you are comparing things over a period of years, like demonstrated in the below link or the recomp thread we have. I recognize that weight isn't a great indicator always, but for the majority of people, it largely is.

    https://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/
  • The__Wolf
    The__Wolf Posts: 92 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    The__Wolf wrote: »

    This wasn't an "argument" for anything besides the fact that how much you weigh is an inaccurate measure of health for people with high amounts of lean mass. Not sure how this is a "ridiculous" POV.

    Secondly, my initial post explicitly starts with "at some point" not "right now."

    Ridiculous wasn't probably a good choice of words for your post, but the application of 1 lb of muscle vs 1 lb of fat, is general not going to apply. It's more applicable when you are comparing things over a period of years, like demonstrated in the below link or the recomp thread we have. I recognize that weight isn't a great indicator always, but for the majority of people, it largely is.

    https://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/


    I definitely think that weight is a good indicator for most people (say within 1sd of the mean).
  • jagodfrey08
    jagodfrey08 Posts: 425 Member
    Thank you all for the input! I greatly appreciate it. I will keep doing what I am doing for now and listen to my body. When I get a bit closer to my goal weight, then I will change things up as far as diet.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    trigden1991 wrote: »
    psuLemon wrote: »
    trigden1991 wrote: »
    The__Wolf wrote: »
    trigden1991 wrote: »
    Weight is never a good indicator of health.

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    Please explain how it is a good indicator of health. Genuinely interested to hear your bro-science.

    Saying wieght is never a good indicator is being a bit ignorant. If I take the equivalent self at two different weights (220 vs 175), I will be healthier at 175. Because I will be over-fat at 220. If you added 50 lbs of fat, do you think your health would be affected? Fact is, you are going to statistically be healthier if you fall into normal weight, than your equivalent self if you fall outside. Where it becomes less of an issues is if you are only a few lbs over weight and then it may not impact you that much.

    But if I add 50lbs of muscle, am I less healthier? Statistics account for bodyweight not body composition which have a very different affect on health.

    If you are in an obese category because of it, yes.
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