Counting Added Sugar
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »what is your purpose of debating this? it is proven sugar is added to many foods to make it MORE addictive! IE...one's you mentioned, ketchup and salad dressing(some of them)heck, even some cooking spices, fast food items.....yes, i prefer to get the ones that have "no added sugar"...not sure why your such a negative nelly? Usually people don't struggle with their weight for 30 plus years, find a sight like this, and then just say, sure i can control my eating in moderation. people have to make what changes "THEY" feel are right for their body. Also it is quite easy to limit processed foods as ather poser on this tread mentioned. some folks grow their foods or dont need processed or fast foods on a regular basis. Again, i never said that was negative, i was just offering my opinion and what has worked for me....I never suggested or mentioned you doing anything differently. but i see you are not one that will accept that and just want to argue or debate your point. I think we all have different views and should atleast try to respect others. Have a blessed Holiday
Actually there's quite a few people here who have been yo-yo dieters for years and years because they kept boxing themselves in with arbitrary rules and restrictions about what they can and cannot eat, which led to frustration and failure. There have been numerous threads from people who have realized through MFP, how they can reach their weight and health goals, and more importantly-sustain them, just by learning how CICO works, and how they can continue to eat the foods they like without having to make drastic changes to their food choices. At the end of the day CICO is what matters for weight loss/maintenance, but within that truth there's all sorts of paths
Letting go of the "good" and "bad" labels I had placed on food was liberating. Learning moderation was a slow process though. I just knew I didn't want to give up some of my favorite foods. The information and support here was essential for me.8 -
janicelo1971 wrote: »what is your purpose of debating this? it is proven sugar is added to many foods to make it MORE addictive! IE...one's you mentioned, ketchup and salad dressing(some of them)heck, even some cooking spices, fast food items.....yes, i prefer to get the ones that have "no added sugar"...not sure why your such a negative nelly? Usually people don't struggle with their weight for 30 plus years, find a sight like this, and then just say, sure i can control my eating in moderation. people have to make what changes "THEY" feel are right for their body. Also it is quite easy to limit processed foods as ather poser on this tread mentioned. some folks grow their foods or dont need processed or fast foods on a regular basis. Again, i never said that was negative, i was just offering my opinion and what has worked for me....I never suggested or mentioned you doing anything differently. but i see you are not one that will accept that and just want to argue or debate your point. I think we all have different views and should atleast try to respect others. Have a blessed HolidayWinoGelato wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »depends on your ability of self control or lack thereof in my case! I enjoy a lot of snacks, but don't need added sugar in my foods to have it more addictive. There are plenty of natural sugars out there. Do what works for you. we all have different bodies that digest food and we know what works for us to maintain(or gain or lose) and what doesn't. some folks are binge eaters or have a history of that and some have addictive foods(i.e...added sugar's or carbs)..some don't. I tend to find it simplier to just not eat added sugar. has been a way of life for years and nothing i have ever missed. However if you can eat it and control how much and not have an issue, then more power to you. Many of us on this site got here for being overweight, and or unable to control our intake at times. But, again, I support whatever one wants to do to make it work for them. I wish i was as strong as you are WInoGelato!WinoGelato wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »cut out all foods with refined sugars! just eat natural...bamm! done!
That sounds unnecessarily restrictive....
Your body doesn't differentiate between added sugars and natural sugars, nor are sugars and carbs "addictive".
If a person struggles to moderate their intake of foods with added sugars (assuming you mean sweets and not things like ketchup or salad dressing) then it may be good to monitor or cut back/cut out for a period of time. For many people, cutting out certain foods altogether is far too restrictive of an approach and that can lead to binging or giving up on their efforts. Learning that these foods can be consumed as part of an overall balanced diet is very empowering for many people and moderation is something that does take practice, but many people who have struggled with control in the past have been very successful with this approach. Doesn't sound like it's something you're interested in, and that's fine too.
Pretty certain their purpose for debate is to inform you that you are misinformed about sugar being addictive. I'm adding my voice to the chorus of others letting you know that you don't have to worry about sugar having addictive properties. It doesn't.
And personally, I've been overweight in the past because of portion control, I almost never ate sweets. If you honestly believe they are addictive, then I must be some freak of nature because if you put a steak and a carton of ice cream in front of me, I'm going for the steak every time. Hrrmm, I'm a 43 year old woman whose Patronus must be a 16 year old boy. Go Meat! I also switched my sugar to fiber on the tracker as soon as I figured out how. I never look at sugar.7 -
janicelo1971 wrote: »what is your purpose of debating this? it is proven sugar is added to many foods to make it MORE addictive! IE...one's you mentioned, ketchup and salad dressing(some of them)heck, even some cooking spices, fast food items.....yes, i prefer to get the ones that have "no added sugar"...not sure why your such a negative nelly? Usually people don't struggle with their weight for 30 plus years, find a sight like this, and then just say, sure i can control my eating in moderation. people have to make what changes "THEY" feel are right for their body. Also it is quite easy to limit processed foods as ather poser on this tread mentioned. some folks grow their foods or dont need processed or fast foods on a regular basis. Again, i never said that was negative, i was just offering my opinion and what has worked for me....I never suggested or mentioned you doing anything differently. but i see you are not one that will accept that and just want to argue or debate your point. I think we all have different views and should atleast try to respect others. Have a blessed HolidayWinoGelato wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »depends on your ability of self control or lack thereof in my case! I enjoy a lot of snacks, but don't need added sugar in my foods to have it more addictive. There are plenty of natural sugars out there. Do what works for you. we all have different bodies that digest food and we know what works for us to maintain(or gain or lose) and what doesn't. some folks are binge eaters or have a history of that and some have addictive foods(i.e...added sugar's or carbs)..some don't. I tend to find it simplier to just not eat added sugar. has been a way of life for years and nothing i have ever missed. However if you can eat it and control how much and not have an issue, then more power to you. Many of us on this site got here for being overweight, and or unable to control our intake at times. But, again, I support whatever one wants to do to make it work for them. I wish i was as strong as you are WInoGelato!WinoGelato wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »cut out all foods with refined sugars! just eat natural...bamm! done!
That sounds unnecessarily restrictive....
Your body doesn't differentiate between added sugars and natural sugars, nor are sugars and carbs "addictive".
If a person struggles to moderate their intake of foods with added sugars (assuming you mean sweets and not things like ketchup or salad dressing) then it may be good to monitor or cut back/cut out for a period of time. For many people, cutting out certain foods altogether is far too restrictive of an approach and that can lead to binging or giving up on their efforts. Learning that these foods can be consumed as part of an overall balanced diet is very empowering for many people and moderation is something that does take practice, but many people who have struggled with control in the past have been very successful with this approach. Doesn't sound like it's something you're interested in, and that's fine too.
I'm really not sure where you are getting negativity in my post. Saying that sugar is not addictive is not negative, it is factual. Saying that learning to moderate can take practice but be very rewarding and help enable success for people who may struggle believing they have to completely give up foods they love because they are "bad" is meant to be supportive and encouraging. There is a plethora of misinformation out there and the OP seems to have already fallen into some of that, believing that certain sugars are "ok" and others are not, when the body does not differentiate between added and natural sugars in they way they are processed. Making sure OP and others reading along understand that is important. As I said, it sounds like what you are doing is working for you and that you are happy with your choice, and that's great. I also still think that is unnecessarily restrictive, in that it is not necessary to give up all foods with added sugar, in order to lose weight and have an overall healthy diet.
Also, there are countless stories of people on this site and others who have struggled with their weight for years believing in that misinformation that certain foods are "bad" and that you have to give them up in order to succeed. Learning that you can eat any foods you like in a calorie deficit, that you can eat foods like cookies or ice cream in moderation and as part of an overall nutrient dense diet, is what finally enables many here to find the path to long term success they've for so many years been missing.
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Just another successful MFP user here (reached goal and now maintaining) who pays no attention to how much sugar I eat. I like sweets but don't overeat them and don't find sugary or processed foods "addictive".
To the OP, mfp gets its info from the nutrition info on a food so if it isn't called out in the numbers on the label, you're not going to see it in the MFP database. MFP doesn't analyze food, it just grabs the numbers off the label, or from the USda for foods without a label.9 -
Taking responsibility for my behavior with food instead of laying blame at the feet of certain foods I was eating was a turning point for me.
I have had a weight problem since puberty.
There was a time in my life where I fell very easily for dieting gurus telling me that it wasn't my fault and that certain foods were the issue, and that if I only gave them up, I'd be fixed.
That always backfired on me.
I am one of those people for whom learning that I could have sugar and fit it into a healthy eating plan was part of what enabled me to stick to restricting calories. Because that allowed me to no longer feel deprived. I still employ elements of restriction in my life because there are some things I find it very hard to not overeat. There are other things I don't, and I feel free to enjoy them.
This isn't a criticism of people who choose to restrict. Neither was anything WinoGelato said.
We are pointing out what we have learned from our experience. That doesn't invalidate someone else's different experience.
To the OP... Sugar is sugar. The sugar in my daily apple is processed the by my body the same as the sugar in the three cookies I'm planning on having later. As has been stated, since food labels don't currently give you the information regarding added sugars vs. naturally occurring sugars, there really is no way for the app to account for this.5 -
Your body can't differentiate between them.alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
AND WHY ARE WE SHOUTING???!!!
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alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR! I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
Nutritional labels don't differentiate (at least not in the states) and that's where most of the data comes from for stuff in the database...there's no way for the app to really differentiate if it isn't differentiated on the food label.
Your body doesn't really differentiate either...4 -
Sounds like everyone on this thread has found what works for them! I'm not here to try to tell others to eat refined or natural sugar or educate you and i apologize if it came across that way. I was saying what has worked for me and others. Clearly everyone else on this specific thread can eat sugar in moderation and it works well and you are all within normal weight range...I apologize to the original poser that we have taken over your post so rudely.2
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lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »
Hi therelemurcat12 wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »
After reading a lot (in here as well as other sources) and digging deep, I can finally wrap my mind around all that food anxiety. It's the proxies that health organizations use, and the media, diet industry, food industry and blogosphere adding insult to injury.amusedmonkey wrote: »I can't wrap my mind around why so many people want to watch sugar to the gram. Those who watch carbs have the carbs number to look at and don't really need to track sugar per se. Even health organizations that advise limiting added sugar use added sugar as proxy for added low nutrition calories for people who do not track calories. For those who track calories, it's enough to know the calorie number and look how many calories out of the day low nutrient items take up. Those who watch sugar for the purpose of not being triggered to eat more would usually do best keeping track of their trigger foods instead of precise grams of added sugar, which can easily via food diary. Even diabetics don't really need to look at exact grams of sugar, but at carbs as a whole. Even for those who have one of these rare congenital diseases where they can't break down certain sugars, particular types of sugars need to be watched, without a distinction between natural and added.
Personally, I would turn off sugar tracking all together, but if you still want to do it, you may need to do it manually. The way the database is set up and foods are currently labeled, it's hard to distinguish between natural and added sugars in certain foods.
Mmm, I'd give them more of a break. The anxiety seems to be coming from people, not from the health organizations. I've read a whole lot of the nutrition advice and health organization stuff, because of interest, not anxiety, and because gathering information is how I tend to respond to a problem, and this is what I took away:
Eat a good diet with lots of whole food plants (particularly vegetables). Maybe think about half the plate should be vegetables.
Avoid EXCESSIVE calories, sat fat, sodium, sugar -- and the easiest way to do that is by cooking from scratch and not adding excess amounts, but if you prefer not to cook watch those things as lots of production have lots added (not all, however)
Get a decent amount of protein (what this means differs somewhat depending on the source you choose and what your goals are).
Eat foods that have more fiber/are less processed when possible, or for at least half of your intake.
As for the reason for watching sugar -- main reason is that foods with lots of added sugar are high in calories (often from other ingredients like fat too) and low in nutrients. Thus, they should be considered extras or calories on top of the more important/nutrient dense stuff, and not a huge part of your diet. Good estimate for the average person (obviously depending on what your diet consists of anyway) is about 5-10% of overall calories or maybe not more than 20% (and ideally 10%) on things that are extras -- high cal, not contributing lots of nutrients. But it's not a specific number that matters but how it fits into the overall diet and getting in otherwise a healthy, balanced diet. Mostly this is common sense and what you probably could have told me at age 6.
To get out of it that hitting (or staying under) a very specific number of sugar grams, let alone that something like fruit is to be worried about (unless you are overweight and just trying to find some way to cut calories) is no only wrong, but IMO doesn't result from a fair reading of the sources. And I don't find that people who know the most are the ones who fall into this.
It is like, to me, claiming that people ate lots of Snackwells and waffles with fake syrup and thought they were being healthy. They didn't -- they knew this had NOTHING to do with the advice on good nutrition, which never said eat lots of refined carbs, white flour, sugar, and almost no vegetables, which is what they proceeded to do (and to claim people were really worried about fat in an era in which they increased consumption of fast food also makes no sense). People who don't want to do what they know they should do sometimes use "oh, why should I believe it, everything constantly changes, it's too complicated, probably tomorrow spinach and broccoli will cause cancer) as a way to deflect, sure, but it's really not that complicated and stuff like MyPlate (which is supposed to be how Americans learn about the dietary guidelines/nutrition) don't really present it as such either.Instead of explaining that calories is what regulates body weight, they tell us to avoid sugar.
The reasons for the sugar requirements are usually explained. I would agree that there seems to be an idea that watching calories is too hard, so focusing on food choice (cut down on soda and sweets, basically, as well as on refined carbs and foods high in added sodium and sat fat (red meat and things with added sat fat is usually the take away here)) is given instead. I suspect the view that people won't actually watch calories in the majority of cases is right -- sad, and I'd be happy to be wrong -- but I don't think the advice is that tough to follow. If the average American cut down on sweets, packaged stuff with lots of sodium, and fast food, they'd be cutting calories. If they also added more vegetables, switched to less refined carbs/grains in at least some cases, and ate leaner sources of protein, they'd end up cutting calories and having a healthier diet.
Is this the answer for everyone? No, nothing is. Do I personally resonate more with something like Michael Pollan's approach (not that different in practice, IMO) -- sure, but then I love to cook and am of a cultural class that seems especially invested in the "natural=better" thing and foodie-ism, even though I mock it in myself. Is everyone going to find that appealing? No -- so giving the basic information and letting them decide what to do with it seems to me all we can expect. Blaming the gov't for people eating badly is something that makes no sense to me. I was thinking about you as one of my mentors - you were the one who taught me about the reasoning for the (added) sugar recommendations a year or so ago. I grew up with those recommendations, I knew them by heart, and I consider myself literate and fairly intelligent, but I didn't get the why until you explained it to me. I actually believed that, somehow, mystificially, sugar became something else than natural sugar, in an "artificiality" process. I also believed saturated fat would magically clog up my veins, that sugar would give me diabetes, and that salt, and eggs, and white flour, and red meat should be avoided as much as possible. We can't avoid all that and still have a good diet.
Well, thanks, and I think we have generally similar approaches to nutrition (I usually love the advice you give). The difference is just in how well we think the gov't communicates it, and that depends on the sources you look to, I suppose. I don't think MyPlate is perfect, but I think it's pretty good, and I don't think it is responsible for the kinds of messed up ideas people often get about food -- instead, I think if people were more influenced by it (and similar sites) and less by the diet industry idiocy (which IS all "never eat this and magically lose weight" where "this" depends on who you ask) we'd be better off.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree, I just sometimes want to say that I really don't think the gov't is the problem here. (I also don't think that they don't teach about calories -- I think calories are discussed with most mainstream dietary advice and certainly any respectable RD will say they are what control weight loss, but the idea that most may struggle with counting and do better focusing on dietary changes that result in lower calories is IMO not crazy. If I were teaching a nutrition and weight class I'd certainly start by explaining calories, though!)
What I see as the MyPlate approach is to say that calories matter for weight and nutrition also matters for health and that food choice can help with both. Because many people aren't going to log their foods and have no idea what a good calorie range is or how that translates into a diet (hard to believe, IMO, but true), it helps you figure a calorie goal and then suggests a way to eat a nutritious diet within that goal with sizes/amounts of foods. Like you, I don't prefer that approach to learning the same thing through logging, but I can see how it's helpful and in the mentality of it it just doesn't strike me as that different.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
MFP allows 15% of the calories as sugar and 1200 calories is the minimum.
15% of 1200 is 180 and at 4 calories per gram...that equals 45gr.
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Thanks to MFP I stopped worrying about fat, too. I just watch my portion sizes.
Cream of wheat is heavenly with a little half-and-half, raisins, and a touch of brown sugar (Splenda brown sugar blend).
That breakfast sustained me all morning.
And I've lost over five pounds in the last couple months. I credit it to a new job that involves a lot of stairs, and no ready access to my kitchen pantry.
I still loves all the foods.
Though my comfort foods circulate around the savoury. Give me an aged cheese bite any day.
The little snack size canning jars help with portioning.4 -
janicelo1971 wrote: »what is your purpose of debating this? it is proven sugar is added to many foods to make it MORE addictive!
Common ways in which sugar gets added by me:
I'm making Christmas cookies and add sugar.
I'm making a rhubarb sauce and add a bit of sugar
I'm making oatmeal for someone who likes it a bit sweet (I don't like sugar in my oatmeal, but that's just taste preference) and I add a touch of sugar
I'm making a pork rub and include a bit of brown sugar
I'm making a recipe that includes honey
I make pancakes and add maple syrup.
None of those uses are NECESSARY, but none are necessary to exclude, inconsistent with a good healthy diet, or intended to make the foods "addictive" either.
Saying you completely eliminate added sugar is fine, whatever, I did it for a month to see if it made any difference to me (it did not, it wasn't that hard but not beneficial and I like sugar and consume it in moderation so whatever). Telling others that it is necessary to eliminate added sugar to be health or that a bit of sugar in oatmeal = terrible, yet a banana is fine (btw, a banana is fine), is a misunderstanding of nutrition.IE...one's you mentioned, ketchup and salad dressing(some of them)heck, even some cooking spices, fast food items.....yes, i prefer to get the ones that have "no added sugar"...not sure why your such a negative nelly?
I hate ketchup, but I think the sweetness is part of the taste of it for people who like it, so no sugar ketchup seems weird. It's not like anyone is addicted to ketchup or gets a huge amount of sugar from it.
If you are worried about sugar in salad dressing, why not make your own? That's what I've always done, and none of it has sugar (I hate sweet dressings). But again, it's not like you should be consuming so much dressing that it matters.
Spices are spices and don't generally have sugar -- do you buy premixed ones? And again how much could you possibly be using that the amount of sugar in some pork rub premade and purchased would matter?
The idea that people are fat because they buy savory foods with a bit of sugar in them is IMO odd.
Obviously some do find that sweets are what they are most tempted to overconsume (which isn't the same as ketchup, heh), but that doesn't mean they need to cut them all out, and the assumption that we are talking about premade items (they add sugar to make them addictive) is again kind of strange IMO. Many people find ways to include sweets in moderation. I didn't find this terribly difficult, but then sweets aren't my main weakness (even though I was fat).
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lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
MFP allows 15% of the calories as sugar and 1200 calories is the minimum.
15% of 1200 is 180 and at 4 calories per gram...that equals 45gr.
Ok thanks, it's these percentages that always throw me off.
So, in mfp goals, just so OP or anyone who wants to know, you can manually change grams of sugar that you want to consume each day.
If you choose 26 g, then mfp will add all the sugar from all your foods, if you go over 26g it let's you know.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
MFP allows 15% of the calories as sugar and 1200 calories is the minimum.
15% of 1200 is 180 and at 4 calories per gram...that equals 45gr.
Ok thanks, it's these percentages that always throw me off.
So, in mfp goals, just so OP or anyone who wants to know, you can manually change grams of sugar that you want to consume each day.
If you choose 26 g, then mfp will add all the sugar from all your foods, if you go over 26g it let's you know.
Yes, the MFP goal is ALL sugar. Most people would have no reason to choose 26. OP either manually added it, is using an old version of the MFP app, or has an extremely low (and not recommended) calorie goal.0 -
janicelo1971 wrote: »Sounds like everyone on this thread has found what works for them! I'm not here to try to tell others to eat refined or natural sugar or educate you and i apologize if it came across that way. I was saying what has worked for me and others. Clearly everyone else on this specific thread can eat sugar in moderation and it works well and you are all within normal weight range...I apologize to the original poser that we have taken over your post so rudely.
I eat a substantively whole foods diet and eat very little in the way of added sugars...certainly well below the WHO's recommendation...but the point people are trying to make is that sugar is sugar and your body doesn't differentiate...if you ate 100s of grams of sugar everyday from fruit it would be just as bad for you because your body is going to treat it exactly the same...it's why diabetics can't eat a lot of fruit.2 -
I agree... Peace to allcwolfman13 wrote: »janicelo1971 wrote: »Sounds like everyone on this thread has found what works for them! I'm not here to try to tell others to eat refined or natural sugar or educate you and i apologize if it came across that way. I was saying what has worked for me and others. Clearly everyone else on this specific thread can eat sugar in moderation and it works well and you are all within normal weight range...I apologize to the original poser that we have taken over your post so rudely.
I eat a substantively whole foods diet and eat very little in the way of added sugars...certainly well below the WHO's recommendation...but the point people are trying to make is that sugar is sugar and your body doesn't differentiate...if you ate 100s of grams of sugar everyday from fruit it would be just as bad for you because your body is going to treat it exactly the same...it's why diabetics can't eat a lot of fruit.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.0 -
No, you can eat 80 calories, which would be 20 grams.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
MFP allows 15% of the calories as sugar and 1200 calories is the minimum.
15% of 1200 is 180 and at 4 calories per gram...that equals 45gr.
Ok thanks, it's these percentages that always throw me off.
So, in mfp goals, just so OP or anyone who wants to know, you can manually change grams of sugar that you want to consume each day.
If you choose 26 g, then mfp will add all the sugar from all your foods, if you go over 26g it let's you know.
Yes, the MFP goal is ALL sugar. Most people would have no reason to choose 26. OP either manually added it, is using an old version of the MFP app, or has an extremely low (and not recommended) calorie goal.
I eat 1600 calories and have no problem to manually choose 26 grams of total sugar.
It's like saying 2300 mg of sodium is "allowed". However if I want to manually choose 1500 mg as my limit, there really is no problem
I don't understand why it seems that folks would debate me on my choices, rather then advise me particularly when I'm asking how to do something really harmless to myself and others. It may turn out to be really beneficial.0 -
No, you can eat 80 calories, which would be 20 grams.
Oh ok, lol, thanks for explaning yet again.
First the percentages throw me off, then the switch from caliries to grams.
So for 1600 calories,
5%, 80 calories, about 21.3 grams of ADDED sugar?
Plus whatever (unlimited?) amount of natural sugars?
Ok, good to know, thanks for explaning
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
Yes...mostly fruit and veg0 -
Sugar is 4 calories per gram so 80/4 = 20.
Note: this is just the WHO's recommendation and is based on many added sugar products being calorie bombs because of the fat. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with their recommendations. Just giving you the numbers.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
I never pay attention to my sugar intake but I'm curious about this too-just added the sugar tracking option back onto to my account and here's my stats from today and Thursday-the two days I've tracked on MFP this week and have actual macros breakdowns:
Thursday calorie intake: 1,671
sugar intake: 70 grams
-I had a serving of cookies and 2 servings of light hot cocoa mix on this day, but the thing that had the most sugar was actually 2 servings of tomato soup, which had 30g of sugar
Today's calorie intake will be 1,665
sugar intake: 90 grams
-biggest amounts of sugar coming from a Healthy Choice Pineapple Chicken frozen entree (21g), 2 pkts of peach flavored instant oatmeal (26g), and then a banana which I'm adding to the oatmeal (15g). But, I guess I subtract the banana sugar grams since that's 'good' sugar? So then would my intake for today be 75g? What about the sugar in veggies? That's a few grams there as well for both days.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
I often go over 80 grams. I consume a lot of dairy and sometimes multiple servings of fruit so it adds up. My diet is also heavy in vegetables, grains and legumes. For example: if I have a cup of green peas, that's 10 grams of sugar right there. An average sweet onion has 7 grams of sugar and a very small bunch of baby carrots has 5. I love chickpeas and they have more than 10 grams of sugar in 100 grams of dried chickpeas... and so on. A heavily plant-based diet is bound to be high in sugar even if you don't add plain sugar or sweets, especially if there is also dairy (a cup of plain milk or yogurt has 10-15 grams of sugar).0 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
I never pay attention to my sugar intake but I'm curious about this too-just added the sugar tracking option back onto to my account and here's my stats from today and Thursday-the two days I've tracked on MFP this week and have actual macros breakdowns:
Thursday calorie intake: 1,671
sugar intake: 70 grams
-I had a serving of cookies and 2 servings of light hot cocoa mix on this day, but the thing that had the most sugar was actually 2 servings of tomato soup, which had 30g of sugar
Today's calorie intake will be 1,665
sugar intake: 90 grams
-biggest amounts of sugar coming from a Healthy Choice Pineapple Chicken frozen entree (21g), 2 pkts of peach flavored instant oatmeal (26g), and then a banana which I'm adding to the oatmeal (15g). But, I guess I subtract the banana sugar grams since that's 'good' sugar? So then would my intake for today be 85g? What about the sugar in veggies? That's a few grams there as well for both days.
Awesome thanks for sharing this very insightful
Is the tomato soup homemade, or from can, if latter perhaps they added sugar?
Lol @ good sugar (good sugar? Vs bad sugar? Lol) lol
This is big insight thanks for sharing.
So when I eat oatmeal, I use unsweetened milk, and add berries (can't remember how much sugar each), but the meal has about 12g or so. This is perhaps a change in my palate from reducing sweet things over time, not sure.
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crzycatlady1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
I never pay attention to my sugar intake but I'm curious about this too-just added the sugar tracking option back onto to my account and here's my stats from today and Thursday-the two days I've tracked on MFP this week and have actual macros breakdowns:
Thursday calorie intake: 1,671
sugar intake: 70 grams
-I had a serving of cookies and 2 servings of light hot cocoa mix on this day, but the thing that had the most sugar was actually 2 servings of tomato soup, which had 30g of sugar
Today's calorie intake will be 1,665
sugar intake: 90 grams
-biggest amounts of sugar coming from a Healthy Choice Pineapple Chicken frozen entree (21g), 2 pkts of peach flavored instant oatmeal (26g), and then a banana which I'm adding to the oatmeal (15g). But, I guess I subtract the banana sugar grams since that's 'good' sugar? So then would my intake for today be 85g? What about the sugar in veggies? That's a few grams there as well for both days.
Awesome thanks for sharing this very insightful
Is the tomato soup homemade, or from can, if latter perhaps they added sugar?
Lol @ good sugar (good sugar? Vs bad sugar? Lol) lol
This is big insight thanks for sharing.
So when I eat oatmeal, I use unsweetened milk, and add berries (can't remember how much sugar each), but the meal has about 12g or so. This is perhaps a change in my palate from reducing sweet things over time, not sure.
The soup is in a can- Cambpell's Home Style Harvest Tomato with Basil. It does have sugar in the ingredient list, but towards the end, so I wonder if it's mostly because of the tomatoes? The oatmeal I eat is just flavored packets (I usually eat two packets at a time), I make it with water but then add 1/4 cup of 2% milk on top of it after it's cooked, the milk sugar is separate from what the oatmeal has.
It is kind of interesting to see what has a lot of sugar/what doesn't-the frozen entree that I ate today surprised me, but that makes sense since it has a pineapple sauce 0 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
Is my understanding correct?
If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
I never pay attention to my sugar intake but I'm curious about this too-just added the sugar tracking option back onto to my account and here's my stats from today and Thursday-the two days I've tracked on MFP this week and have actual macros breakdowns:
Thursday calorie intake: 1,671
sugar intake: 70 grams
-I had a serving of cookies and 2 servings of light hot cocoa mix on this day, but the thing that had the most sugar was actually 2 servings of tomato soup, which had 30g of sugar
Today's calorie intake will be 1,665
sugar intake: 90 grams
-biggest amounts of sugar coming from a Healthy Choice Pineapple Chicken frozen entree (21g), 2 pkts of peach flavored instant oatmeal (26g), and then a banana which I'm adding to the oatmeal (15g). But, I guess I subtract the banana sugar grams since that's 'good' sugar? So then would my intake for today be 85g? What about the sugar in veggies? That's a few grams there as well for both days.
Awesome thanks for sharing this very insightful
Is the tomato soup homemade, or from can, if latter perhaps they added sugar?
Lol @ good sugar (good sugar? Vs bad sugar? Lol) lol
This is big insight thanks for sharing.
So when I eat oatmeal, I use unsweetened milk, and add berries (can't remember how much sugar each), but the meal has about 12g or so. This is perhaps a change in my palate from reducing sweet things over time, not sure.
The soup is in a can- Cambpell's Home Style Harvest Tomato with Basil. It does have sugar in the ingredient list, but towards the end, so I wonder if it's mostly because of the tomatoes? The oatmeal I eat is just flavored packets (I usually eat two packets at a time), I make it with water but then add 1/4 cup of 2% milk on top of it after it's cooked.
It is kind of interesting to see what has a lot of sugar/what doesn't-the frozen entree that I ate today surprised me, but that makes sense since it has a pineapple sauce
Yes it does help to know where there sugar is from, if one is interested or curious
So I looked also went looking into my diary,
I had a day of 1895 calories, 51 g of sugar (mostly from cookies )
A more "regular" day of about 1650 calories, was 26 g of sugar, mostly from natural sources
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »alannanielsen wrote: »I WISH THIS APP DIFERENTIATED BETWEEN ADDED SUGAR AND NATURAL SUGAR!
It can't, as that's not on food labels yet (in the US anyway). I expect it will in the future.I'm trying to count my carbs and sugars daily and I look at my sugar counts that are higher then I want them to be but a lot of the sugars are natural from fruits and such which are "okay sugars". So does anyone subtract their natural sugar count from their total daily sugars? Or do you up the daily intake of suggested surfaces (26g) to include natural sugars.
I don't count sugar specifically, but I at first (and occasionally when I'm logging) look over my sugars to see how much added sugar I'm getting. Since I don't eat much packaged stuff it's pretty obvious -- sugars from whole foods, not added. Sugar from ice cream, added.
I don't know where you got 26 g -- the lowest sugar goal you should get is 45 g, as MFP's goal is 15% of total calories. But I would say rather than count sugar the following strikes me as a better way to make sure you have a healthy balanced diet:
(1) Enough protein?
(2) Lots of vegetables?
(3) Getting in healthy sources of fat?
(4) Hitting the fiber goal?
(5) Maybe glance through the day and make sure you aren't getting lots of sugar from unexpected sources or eating lots of low nutrient foods -- but if you've done 1-4 that's very unlikely.
Where does 45 g come from?
I think 26 g in OP question sounds close to 24 or 25 g that I've seen mentioned somewhere.
In mfp tool, I noticed I could change my sugar grams grams to 24, 25, 26 etc ie whatever I choose that suits my body.
Did I misread your comment? where does 45g "lowest sugar goal" come from?
Hornsby answered this, but as I also said in my comment that you were responding to, MFP's goal is for ALL sugar, and is 15% of total calories. As the lowest calorie goal it gives is 1200, the lowest sugar goal it gives is 15% (you can change it manually).
25 g is based on ADDED sugar only (which MFP doesn't have a goal from, since it can't separate the two) and is roughly based on 5% of total calories (the NHS or lower WHO goal) for someone who consumes 2000 calories. It's not supposed to be total sugar or set in stone regardless of calories, which people seem to often misunderstand.
Is that clear?
Thanks for this as well, especially explainin 5% of total calories, this is very helpful.
So if I understand, the "recommendation" is that my sugar (from ADDED sugar sources) should be no more than 5% of total calories ?
Well, that's the recommendation of the WHO (they say less than 10%, but less than 5% if you can might be even better) and the NHS. But remember the reason isn't that added sugar itself is any different from intrinsic sugar or that eating more than this amount of sugar is bad for your health, but that added sugar tends to come with extra calories and not much nutrition -- especially since it's typically in dessert-type products that also have lots of extra fat or soda -- and thus will contribute excess calories.
I'd look at the back and forth between me and kommodevaran up-thread, because she's right in criticizing this focus on specific numbers and worrying about them rather than how to eat an overall good, balanced diet.So if I understand, and I'm eating 1600 caliries, then I can eat up to 80 grams of ADDED sugar? Whoa! So 80 grams ADDED plus X grams from naturally sweet sources?
No, if you want to follow the 5% recommendation (USDG say 10%), then you'd consume no more than 80 CALORIES from added sugar, or 20 g.If so, for my body, my personal choice is to eat way fewer than 80 grams of sugar on a single given day.
Sugar, or added sugar. If you want to eat "way fewer" than 20 g (the recommended) of added sugar, let alone TOTAL sugar, that's cool -- like I said, I cut out added sugar for a month, although I ate way more than 20 g of sugar most days, because vegetables, fruits, dairy, sweet potatoes, corn, beets, etc. -- but there is no nutritional recommendation that would say that's necessary or more healthy for most people.So to make mfp tool useful for my personal purpose, I manually change the daily grams of sugar (tab where you change your mfp goals) to a goal that suits me, per my personal choices.
Yep, of course you can do this.
Not sure why you think this is relevant to the thread? Just confused what the point is.
But if you were concerned that people didn't know you could manually change the goals, you have now clarified that.So the point I was making earlier, for OP or anyone who wants to, is it is feasible to change the daily grams of sugar to the number that suits that individual.
I think OP was concerned that the goal she was getting from MFP represented a total of sugar (ALL sugar) that she needed to aim for, and that's why I noted that the number she was getting was messed up (and doesn't reflect the guidelines on added sugar anyway).Out of curiosity are folks eating 80 grams of sugar or more daily, just curious.
Not normally, no, but I often get around 40 g or so from vegetables, so if I add in some fruit and dairy and have sweet potatoes or some such or have something with added sugar, I suppose I could. Not normally, though. Around Christmas I might sometimes.
Depends on total calories, though -- I've mostly been eating at maintenance.0
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