Magnesium keeping me awake!

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  • neugebauer52
    neugebauer52 Posts: 1,120 Member
    Since starting simple exercises - mainly walking and some pool aerobics - I have a lot of thigh muscular pain. I am not a great friend of pharmaceutics and do not want to pop a pill just because of some niggling pain. Some 2 weeks ago I heard about Magnesium - mineral salts which relax muscles and muscle cramps. So I bought some, took one a day and after a week the pain / spasm / cramps were gone. Great feeling after battling for 300 days. Just to double check: I stopped taking them and within 3 days it was back to the pain. Started them again last week and by now the pain is gone. What does it do? How does it work? No idea. My body might need some mineral salts - who knows?
  • Goober1142
    Goober1142 Posts: 219 Member
    Yes, me too. Seems to keep me awake if I take it at night
  • Gisel2015
    Gisel2015 Posts: 4,185 Member
    I hope that this information is helpful. Magnesium Glycinate works better for me at 200mg, while the 400mg version of magnesium oxide and citrate doesn't.

    When it comes to helping you get a good night’s sleep, the best forms of magnesium include:

    Magnesium Glycinate. One of the most absorbable forms of magnesium, it’s bonded to glycine, which also helps the body relax. Magnesium glycinate is a form that is least likely to cause digestive distress or diarrhea.

    Magnesium Chelate.     In magnesium chelate, the mineral is bound to one or more amino acids. Like magnesium glycinate, it’s easily absorbed by the body.

    Magnesium Threonate. Magnesium bonded to Threonate is very easily absorbed by the body. It’s also the only form that can cross the blood-brain barrier, making it one of the best forms of magnesium for improving not only sleep but also brain function.

    Magnesium Chloride. A study published in Magnesium Research found that magnesium chloride was the form that had the highest absorbability and availability. An additional study involving 200 patients revealed that magnesium chloride helped improve sleep in 99% of patients.

    Combining forms of magnesium can often provide the best night’s sleep. For example, MagTech Magnesium Complex includes three of the best forms available – Threonate, glycinate, and taurate.

    Worst Forms of Magnesium for Sleep

    You’re better off leaving some types of magnesium on the shelf. While these forms might have their benefits, they are not absorbed well and can cause unpleasant side effects.

    Magnesium oxide. Magnesium oxide is a great form to take if you need the laxative effects of magnesium. But it’s not so great for sleep since the body doesn’t absorb it very well.

    Magnesium citrate. Magnesium citrate is another form of magnesium that’s great for use as a laxative (used to treat and prevent constipation). But you’ll get much better results from other forms if your goal is to improve your sleep.

    https://corpina.com/best-form-magnesium-sleep/
  • Keto_Vampire
    Keto_Vampire Posts: 1,670 Member
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    I hope that this information is helpful. Magnesium Glycinate works better for me at 200mg, while the 400mg version of magnesium oxide and citrate doesn't.

    When it comes to helping you get a good night’s sleep, the best forms of magnesium include:

    Magnesium Glycinate. One of the most absorbable forms of magnesium, it’s bonded to glycine, which also helps the body relax. Magnesium glycinate is a form that is least likely to cause digestive distress or diarrhea.

    Magnesium Chelate.     In magnesium chelate, the mineral is bound to one or more amino acids. Like magnesium glycinate, it’s easily absorbed by the body.

    Magnesium Threonate. Magnesium bonded to Threonate is very easily absorbed by the body. It’s also the only form that can cross the blood-brain barrier, making it one of the best forms of magnesium for improving not only sleep but also brain function.

    Magnesium Chloride. A study published in Magnesium Research found that magnesium chloride was the form that had the highest absorbability and availability. An additional study involving 200 patients revealed that magnesium chloride helped improve sleep in 99% of patients.

    Combining forms of magnesium can often provide the best night’s sleep. For example, MagTech Magnesium Complex includes three of the best forms available – Threonate, glycinate, and taurate.

    Worst Forms of Magnesium for Sleep

    You’re better off leaving some types of magnesium on the shelf. While these forms might have their benefits, they are not absorbed well and can cause unpleasant side effects.

    Magnesium oxide. Magnesium oxide is a great form to take if you need the laxative effects of magnesium. But it’s not so great for sleep since the body doesn’t absorb it very well.

    Magnesium citrate. Magnesium citrate is another form of magnesium that’s great for use as a laxative (used to treat and prevent constipation). But you’ll get much better results from other forms if your goal is to improve your sleep.

    https://corpina.com/best-form-magnesium-sleep/

    Magnesium oxide definitely sucks in terms of bioavailability/absorption. Other forms (glycinate, chelate, threonate, chloride) do have better absoprtion; standout being threonate having notorious blood brain barrier penetration/CNS effect but is very pricey.

    Wouldn't say magnesium citrate is bad by any means; it's often just dosed too high initially (laxative effect). Can be utilized well in low doses titrated up very slowly (does have good absorption). Other issue is the dose form at times (commonly comes in capsules/can't divide accurately or used as the oral solution - have to use VERY modest amounts - labeled for laxative use to use 1/2 to entire bottle)
  • Gisel2015
    Gisel2015 Posts: 4,185 Member
    @Keto_Vampire
    I think that I will try the MagTech Magnesium Complex. When I sleep better my HAs, are very mild, if I do get any, and the same with the migraines. I know that it is not cheap, but my health is worthy.
  • Cahgetsfit
    Cahgetsfit Posts: 1,912 Member
    interesting. I used to take ZMA and at first I slept like a log, then I started to have disrupted sleep. After some time taking it though. I stopped and sleep well again.

    I bought just plain magnesium and take that nightly and not a problem anymore. Not sure which type - I just picked one up off the shelf in the chemist... I keep meaning to look into getting the 'right' type when this bottle runs out.

    I tend to cramp a bit if I don't take it.
  • Keto_Vampire
    Keto_Vampire Posts: 1,670 Member
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    @Keto_Vampire
    I think that I will try the MagTech Magnesium Complex. When I sleep better my HAs, are very mild, if I do get any, and the same with the migraines. I know that it is not cheap, but my health is worthy.

    Threonate was good for sleep, lowered BP slightly, very calming; just stopped because the price was a bit off putting. Was thinking about actually re-trying just being conservative
  • MeganReid1991
    MeganReid1991 Posts: 170 Member
    Omg this is so weird I recently just started taking magnesium and I literally can’t sleep at all. I thought it was stress but maybe I’ll stop taking it for awhile and see if it helps.
  • Gisel2015
    Gisel2015 Posts: 4,185 Member
    MeganReid1991 wrote: »
    Omg this is so weird I recently just started taking magnesium and I literally can’t sleep at all. I thought it was stress but maybe I’ll stop taking it for awhile and see if it helps.

    Or check the kind of magnesium that you are taking. Check what I posted 2/11.
  • bvgyzsw6fg
    bvgyzsw6fg Posts: 3 Member
    I don't take magnesium to sleep better or anything related to that but here's my story. First of all without taking magnesium I have no problem sleeping even though I don't sleep when i should/enough and wake up feeling tired (whether this really is cause of lack of sleep I'm not sure but definitely plays a role too).

    Now about taking magnesium. Let me first make clear that it doesn't matter what kind of magnesium I take (I also doubt it has to do with the different kind of magnesium's, at worst it would probably just not aid in sleeping better but not make it worse either)

    When I take magnesium in the evening (some time before going to bed) it gets hard to fall asleep and I only sleep 1-2 hours at a time before waking up. It also affects dreams/nightmares and makes it way more active. Despite this I don't wake up tired instead it actually feels like I'm all awake and ready even though I don't exactly feel rested out at the same time.

    When I take magnesium in the morning (with breakfast) it actually has the complete opposite effect. I feel sleepy and driving a car can get dangerous.

    Maybe I should take it somewhere in the afternoon (if it doesn't make me sleepy on the way back that is)

    Other things to mentioned that could be related is your vitamin D level. As Magnesium and vitamin D work together. Without enough magnesium, vitamin D does not get absorbed well no matter how much vitamin D you take. Maybe more vitamin D also depletes magnesium faster or its the other way around and related to vitamin D after al instead of magnesium. Just like how a vitamin D deficiency could be caused by a magnesium deficiency.

    Even though not generally known I know there are more people who experience these "magnesium keeping me awake" effects. Did anyone experience sleep paralysis with taking magnesium?
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  • bvgyzsw6fg
    bvgyzsw6fg Posts: 3 Member
    SurfyFoFurfy wrote: »
    Oui, taking magnesium based sleep supplements for sleep was the worst thing ever for me. I spent many nights wired out of my mind :D

    Yes haha exactly, more people feel like this. There was another forum on a website where people said the same things about magnesium keeping them awake and the things I mentioned. But I can't find it any more.

    Currently I am occasionally using 'magnesium lysinate glycinate chelate'. Even though I thought I used magnesium L-Threonate (before) but this one also seems to gives a better boost to the brain than other magnesium kinds. Well not sure if I should call it a boost or getting my brain levels back in order. I have been noticing that I don't think as clear as I used to for a long time now, and magnesium being also a supplement good for the brain, seems to help with this and maybe also be the reason why we are more awake/alert. It's not just being unable to sleep but it also makes you perform better with the brain. This might also be a key reason as to why some feel so "wired out of my mind". Given that you don't feel that alive/clear/sharp/alert/active any more during the day.

    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    I hope that this information is helpful.
    https://corpina.com/best-form-magnesium-sleep/

    To further add information about the different kinds of magnesium (whether you want use it for sleep or not)
    https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news/magnesium
  • bvgyzsw6fg
    bvgyzsw6fg Posts: 3 Member
    If only 100mg of a good magnesium supplement (taken maybe even for the first time) causes these thing, then what could it mean? It's around the 30% of the assumed RDA of 350mg and is an amount which is not hard to get through diet.

    Does it have something to do with how a supplement is absorb by the body while through food its not?
    Does this mean we are overdosing? / Have too much already build up because of a disease like kidney disease?
    Does this mean we actually need more?
    "...all 800 enzyme systems want a piece of the action once they’re been woken up! And with each enzyme system pumping away they are using up the little magnesium you gave them and, like I said, They Want More!"

    Or is it one of the other many possibilities according to Dr. Carolyn Dean:
    When Magnesium Makes Me Worse

    let us hear if you have any thoughts about this

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