Full Body Workouts - Muscle Building?
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Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
Have you seen mark rippetoe's photo? He goes against your muscle size and experience correlation.0 -
Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
While this is true, context matters. What is appropriate for your large muscled dude is not necessarily appropriate for a beginner. They are lifting heavier, gains come slower, and are building on top of an existing muscle base that most would be perfectly happy to end up with. There's a reason lifting has different programs targeted for beginners, intermediates, etc.0 -
Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
Not necessarily. There are plenty of people who get big by 1. drugs, or 2. have great coaches. Heck, they may not even have the time to understand why they were able to achieve the results they did, but rather very good at following a detailed plan and had a good programming. I know several competitors who don't know much, but rather are very good at following plans to the T. And that is ok. They don't need to know the science... they need to know how to achieve that specific goal. But in terms of application, I would follow the person who is the most intelligent and can lay out the most effective plan.
BTW, here is a pic of Mark Rippetoe... looks jacked right?
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Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
Not necessarily. There are plenty of people who get big by 1. drugs, or 2. have great coaches. Heck, they may not even have the time to understand why they were able to achieve the results they did, but rather very good at following a detailed plan and had a good programming. I know several competitors who don't know much, but rather are very good at following plans to the T. And that is ok. They don't need to know the science... they need to know how to achieve that specific goal. But in terms of application, I would follow the person who is the most intelligent and can lay out the most effective plan.
BTW, here is a pic of Mark Rippetoe... looks jacked right?
Looks like he could squat more than me so i would take his advice on how to do that. I wouldn't take ole markys advice on how to build a good physique.0 -
Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Love this argument.
Using someone's physique to validate what information is right.
Would you take Lyle McDonald's advice on training and diet?2 -
Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
Lyle Mcdonald, go look him up and tell me if you would take his advice. Because I guarantee you he's one of the best if not the best in the field and he looks like he's never picked up a weight.
Do you have any idea how many complete idiots there are on gear who are jacked AF? Trust me I've met plenty of them who truly have no clue, but they train their *kitten* off and run gear and they're successful.
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Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
Because there is a direct correlation between muscle size and knowledge? Have you seen mark rippetoe?
There is a direct correlation between muscle size and experience. I have read starting strength and practical programming- great books. Mark Ripptoe is very expericed in the weightroom and knowledgable. What's your point
Lyle Mcdonald, go look him up and tell me if you would take his advice. Because I guarantee you he's one of the best if not the best in the field and he looks like he's never picked up a weight.
Do you have any idea how many complete idiots there are on gear who are jacked AF? Trust me I've met plenty of them who truly have no clue, but they train their *kitten* off and run gear and they're successful.
I have a friend who worked with a Washington Redskin and she was told if you want to lose weight and get fit, you have to eliminate yeast from your diet. I almost feel out of my chair. Just goes to show, even if you are paid millions to play a professional sport; have access to some very good trainers, doctors and sports nutritionist; you still get crap information.1 -
Not quite sure whats funny about that. It all depends on what the person is trying to achieve to blindly saying its good for just about everyone is not correct. 3 days a week may not be enough for an individuals goals or it may be. It all depends on what they are trying to achieve.
Ok, if you're not using Vitamin S and don't plan on competing at a professional level body builder, then YES full body workouts are GREAT! Three days a week no matter the goal can be accomplished using the principles I outlined once a gain..... Volume/ Frequency / Recovery........ You do realize weight lifting is catabolic...right???
Love this argument. Guy that actually has an impressive physique gets told how things are by a less than average joe who then implioes that he is celltekking (which automatically means you didn't work hard at all or make any sacrifices for that body) . Alrightty... I'll listen to the guy that has a physique I'd be proud of (if bodybuilding was my aspiration).
You lack basic reading comprehension.
He stated that full body workouts are better for non-competitive, non-steroid using individuals when compared to body part specific splits.
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I am not sure when the "pre-roid" area was unless you are talking about in the 50's maybe. I think for the most part training body parts separately works best. Mixing up your days and routine is necessary, combining things like Chest and Traps, Back, Calves and Forearms etc.
I think there is a place for full body routines and maybe once every other month you take 3 days out of your training week and do a full body to shock your system. Depends on your goal to be honest.
There's evidence out suggesting that higher frequency training is potentially superior to body-part splits since you can upregulate MPS more frequently. The idea being that if you can train as soon as MPS returns to baseline you're minimizing the time spent NOT accumulating muscle protein.
Additionally, there's a very good benefit to high frequency training from a skill component aspect. Squatting 3+ times per week gets you better at squatting compared to squatting 1 time per week, for example. Now if you're doing low skill component exercises like leg press then you may not need as much skill acquisition and so this wouldn't apply as significantly. However many people here like to squat and bench and deadlift and they have goals of getting stronger in those movements, and part of that involves getting good at the skill of squatting/benching/deadlifting.
And since we can make a good argument that strength acquisition can influence hypertrophy by allowing you to use heavier loads, I think it seems reasonable to suggest that (at least in natural athletes) higher frequency training may be superior to infrequent/body-part splits.
Sure, you can obviously do body-part training and go to the gym 6 days per week or even do 2/day training but now you're talking about something that is a) inefficient although quite effective and b) not a realistic thing for most people's lifestyle
Finally, there's also a lot of in between -- you could run an upper/lower or you could combine full body with some accessory days and end up with a really well rounded program.
You can't just assume that what enhanced IFBB guys and gals do is necessarily optimal and you damn sure can't assume that what they do is applicable to naturals at a variety of fitness levels.11 -
Full body routines are great for building strength and muscle, assuming you are eating enough and progressing in your lifts.0
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I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with full body routines. I didn't mean to start an all out war. Anyway, thank you to those who sent useful information. I'm not a complete beginner, but I'm gonna start a full body routine tomorrow. I'll do full body for at least a month then I'll do an upper/lower split, like PHUL, and compare my progress. Thanks again for the informative comments!0
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timmster97 wrote: »I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with full body routines. I didn't mean to start an all out war. Anyway, thank you to those who sent useful information. I'm not a complete beginner, but I'm gonna start a full body routine tomorrow. I'll do full body for at least a month then I'll do an upper/lower split, like PHUL, and compare my progress. Thanks again for the informative comments!
Please don't mind the other stuff and try to utilize it as an opportunity to further learn. Training methods are debatable . But good luck.0 -
timmster97 wrote: »I just wanted to know if anyone had experience with full body routines. I didn't mean to start an all out war. Anyway, thank you to those who sent useful information. I'm not a complete beginner, but I'm gonna start a full body routine tomorrow. I'll do full body for at least a month then I'll do an upper/lower split, like PHUL, and compare my progress. Thanks again for the informative comments!
Welcome to MFP forums
I would recommend staying with a program for a minimum of 12 weeks before switching. The key to anyone lifting is consistency and progression/overload. Here are a couple of GREAT full body routines that you can stick with for as long as you continue to make progress....
Strong Lifts 5x5
Grey Skull LP
I feel both of these sites do a great job explaining the programs in detail. I personally started with Strong Lifts and then moved on to different types of programming based on my personal goals.
Enjoy!
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timmster97 wrote: »I've been reading a lot about how in the pre-roid era, the body builders would do full body workouts. I'm curious if anyone has had experience doing full body routines, and if so, are they good for building strength and muscle? Thanks in advance!
Lets set the record straight. You can gain muscle riding your bicycle! As long as you are breaking down and tearing the muscle and are eating properly to get that muscle to rebuild itself, you will gain muscle. Yes a full body workout can put muscle onto you. Riding a bike can put muscle onto you. The real question is, what are your goals.0 -
If I could do it all over again as a newbie, I would start with fullbody 6 days/week...0
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newbie3122 wrote: »If I could do it all over again as a newbie, I would start with fullbody 6 days/week...
Why? This does not sound right...0 -
As a beginner, I will need more frequency just to get my form down. 6x might be too excessive for a lot of people, but I think I can handle it with good recovery (I don't believe in overtraining). Never hit failure, but keep the workout with enough intensity, and progressively overload each week. Might switch to 'take a rest day as necessary' and then 'fullbody every other day' later or somethingDancingMoosie wrote: »newbie3122 wrote: »If I could do it all over again as a newbie, I would start with fullbody 6 days/week...
Why? This does not sound right...
Most of everything I do are just based on bro-sciences. To me, weight training is an experimental process, full of trial and error. What doesn't work for one person might work for me.
Plus fullbody every single day sounds like fun
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Not entirely true. If the resistance is the same day after day, muscle isn't being built, just maintained.timmster97 wrote: »I've been reading a lot about how in the pre-roid era, the body builders would do full body workouts. I'm curious if anyone has had experience doing full body routines, and if so, are they good for building strength and muscle? Thanks in advance!
Lets set the record straight. You can gain muscle riding your bicycle! As long as you are breaking down and tearing the muscle and are eating properly to get that muscle to rebuild itself, you will gain muscle. Yes a full body workout can put muscle onto you. Riding a bike can put muscle onto you. The real question is, what are your goals.
Building muscle requires progressive overload. By the analogy you speak of, walking should be able to build muscle if you just walk fast enough.
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Anything with resistance can build muscles really by progressively overloading. It depends on OP's goal, but for just strength/hypertrophy weight training is one of the quicker ways
Not entirely true. If the resistance is the same day after day, muscle isn't being built, just maintained.timmster97 wrote: »I've been reading a lot about how in the pre-roid era, the body builders would do full body workouts. I'm curious if anyone has had experience doing full body routines, and if so, are they good for building strength and muscle? Thanks in advance!
Lets set the record straight. You can gain muscle riding your bicycle! As long as you are breaking down and tearing the muscle and are eating properly to get that muscle to rebuild itself, you will gain muscle. Yes a full body workout can put muscle onto you. Riding a bike can put muscle onto you. The real question is, what are your goals.
Building muscle requires progressive overload. By the analogy you speak of, walking should be able to build muscle if you just walk fast enough.
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IDEA Fitness member
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Not entirely true. If the resistance is the same day after day, muscle isn't being built, just maintained.timmster97 wrote: »I've been reading a lot about how in the pre-roid era, the body builders would do full body workouts. I'm curious if anyone has had experience doing full body routines, and if so, are they good for building strength and muscle? Thanks in advance!
Lets set the record straight. You can gain muscle riding your bicycle! As long as you are breaking down and tearing the muscle and are eating properly to get that muscle to rebuild itself, you will gain muscle. Yes a full body workout can put muscle onto you. Riding a bike can put muscle onto you. The real question is, what are your goals.
Building muscle requires progressive overload. By the analogy you speak of, walking should be able to build muscle if you just walk fast enough.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
That is why I specifically stated "As long as you are breaking down and tearing the muscle" Walking would not do that clearly.0
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