Is this true or rubbish?
dizzysarah
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Rubbish. There are things that can cause your body to hold water and then release it fairly quickly, but it isn't because your fat cells are using it as a placeholder.4
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This. It's not total rubbish. From what I remember, Lyle said that it was as close as a professor could come to explaining how the whole thing worked.4 -
No links to actual science are included in that article, making it worthless.
But really, who cares? This has nothing at all to do with long-term wight loss or lifestyle change.2 -
I'll say this much. So many people... at least of the female persuasion... on these boards have posted about that squishy fat phenomenon. That whole pebbly feeling their fat would get.
Mine would feel like marbles or pebbles under my skin... and then I'd get a big whoosh on the scale and there'd be no more marbles under my skin.
I know that's not scientific either, but I've seen so many people talk about it.26 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'll say this much. So many people... at least of the female persuasion... on these boards have posted about that squishy fat phenomenon. That whole pebbly feeling their fat would get.
Mine would feel like marbles or pebbles under my skin... and then I'd get a big whoosh on the scale and there'd be no more marbles under my skin.
I know that's not scientific either, but I've seen so many people talk about it.
I have never seen it talked about until now but YES!! I never paid attention to what happened in relation to the pebbly fat thing. I just went on thinking I was a pebbly person. I never checked that pebbly texture again after a loss. I am going to check next time though!2 -
My stomach fat has always felt like marbles. It never wooshes away.3
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ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'll say this much. So many people... at least of the female persuasion... on these boards have posted about that squishy fat phenomenon. That whole pebbly feeling their fat would get.
Mine would feel like marbles or pebbles under my skin... and then I'd get a big whoosh on the scale and there'd be no more marbles under my skin.
I know that's not scientific either, but I've seen so many people talk about it.
I have never seen it talked about until now but YES!! I never paid attention to what happened in relation to the pebbly fat thing. I just went on thinking I was a pebbly person. I never checked that pebbly texture again after a loss. I am going to check next time though!
Oh, back in the day there used to be threads cropping up about it a lot.0 -
I am also a believer of the squishy whooshy fat. Happens to me. Less of the squishy so much now but still the whooshes. When I was a bit bigger I always looked a lot softer just before a whoosh.1
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I'll say this much. So many people... at least of the female persuasion... on these boards have posted about that squishy fat phenomenon. That whole pebbly feeling their fat would get.
Mine would feel like marbles or pebbles under my skin... and then I'd get a big whoosh on the scale and there'd be no more marbles under my skin.
I know that's not scientific either, but I've seen so many people talk about it.
I have never seen it talked about until now but YES!! I never paid attention to what happened in relation to the pebbly fat thing. I just went on thinking I was a pebbly person. I never checked that pebbly texture again after a loss. I am going to check next time though!
Oh, back in the day there used to be threads cropping up about it a lot.
I admit, I don't browse the boards much so much as I just look at whatever is on the main community page. I'm glad to see it though, it would explain why I seem to stall out and then drop a pound or two consistently.1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I am also a believer of the squishy whooshy fat. Happens to me. Less of the squishy so much now but still the whooshes. When I was a bit bigger I always looked a lot softer just before a whoosh.
Yeah, it's definitely something that tends to happen when you have more on you to lose.2 -
Whooshes happen, that is an observed result. The mechanism behind it is not well known and likely not extensively studied if it has been specifically studied at all which probably explains the lack of research paper citations by Lyle in the link. I think it would be difficult to design a study to determine what it happening. Thus, the mechanism described may or may not be what is happening in those who have whooshes. So no it is not rubbish.
What would be rubbish is saying this applies to every person. It clearly doesn't as some people has whooshes and others do not. Some what squishy fat or pebbly fat and others do not. Basically you need to measure and log what you eat as carefully as you can sticking to your calorie goal and trust you are losing fat. Tracking over 4 week sections rather than shorter periods will help level out the ups and downs of things like water retention.5 -
I do lose in whooshes for sure...my guess would be more that hormonal fluctuations cause me to retain water and then shed it, making losses suddenly noticeable/measurable...I doubt that fat cells actually fill with water in anticipation of anything.2
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I don't know the science behind the hold and the whoosh, but it definitely happens this way for me.0
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An interesting fact to add to the discussion: A gallon of fat weighs 7.4 lbs. A gallon of water weighs 8.4 lbs. If whooshes are caused by water replacing fat then a person who is in a pre-whoosh state should weigh more than they did before they lost fat.3
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »considering how many factors influence a womans weight, chances are a lot of us wouldn't notice the slight increase in weight before a woosh, i do however remember spending a lot of time during my 117 pound loss poking and squishing and feeling a lot of hard gobby bits in the places i still carried my weight. There was this spot over my hip bone that i could totally feel that.. now its gone and all i feel there is bone.
For a 100 pound woman, it would be a 13 pound increase in weight. For a 150 pound woman it would be a 20 pound increase. I think most women would notice something like that.0 -
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TimothyFish wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »considering how many factors influence a womans weight, chances are a lot of us wouldn't notice the slight increase in weight before a woosh, i do however remember spending a lot of time during my 117 pound loss poking and squishing and feeling a lot of hard gobby bits in the places i still carried my weight. There was this spot over my hip bone that i could totally feel that.. now its gone and all i feel there is bone.
For a 100 pound woman, it would be a 13 pound increase in weight. For a 150 pound woman it would be a 20 pound increase. I think most women would notice something like that.
It doesn't have to be an equivalent volume ratio for this to be true, but I will say that I have had a history of pre-whoosh scale bumps.4 -
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »and that being said, with a lot of us so used to seeing the scale go crazy up and down sometimes, if i had PMS weight one month and a woosh the next, its not likely i would really try and figure out if it was one or the other. When i was 213 pounds, i didnt lose a single thing at all for an entire 30 days then dropped 10 pounds within a few days once it was finally over, despite the scale not moving i stuck to my routine.
It could be hormonal, for sure. I was doing all this after menopause, but there was still some weird stuff going on with my body when I was at this point.0 -
I can count on a weight loss whoosh exactly a week after my period starts.1
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »considering how many factors influence a womans weight, chances are a lot of us wouldn't notice the slight increase in weight before a woosh, i do however remember spending a lot of time during my 117 pound loss poking and squishing and feeling a lot of hard gobby bits in the places i still carried my weight. There was this spot over my hip bone that i could totally feel that.. now its gone and all i feel there is bone.
For a 100 pound woman, it would be a 13 pound increase in weight. For a 150 pound woman it would be a 20 pound increase. I think most women would notice something like that.
It doesn't have to be an equivalent volume ratio for this to be true, but I will say that I have had a history of pre-whoosh scale bumps.
The point is, the weight gain would be significant enough to be noticeable. The reason I point it out is to say that just because someone went to the trouble of making a pretty graphic doesn't make it true. The sudden weight loss has a different cause. Most likely it is due to a change in activity, or a change in diet, or a bowel movement, or something like that. It is most certainly not the result of fat cells sucking in water to replace fat they have released.0 -
I cannot explain it but 3 times now in 6 months after eating a bit above maintenance I have a whoosh.
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TimothyFish wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »considering how many factors influence a womans weight, chances are a lot of us wouldn't notice the slight increase in weight before a woosh, i do however remember spending a lot of time during my 117 pound loss poking and squishing and feeling a lot of hard gobby bits in the places i still carried my weight. There was this spot over my hip bone that i could totally feel that.. now its gone and all i feel there is bone.
For a 100 pound woman, it would be a 13 pound increase in weight. For a 150 pound woman it would be a 20 pound increase. I think most women would notice something like that.
It doesn't have to be an equivalent volume ratio for this to be true, but I will say that I have had a history of pre-whoosh scale bumps.
The point is, the weight gain would be significant enough to be noticeable. The reason I point it out is to say that just because someone went to the trouble of making a pretty graphic doesn't make it true. The sudden weight loss has a different cause. Most likely it is due to a change in activity, or a change in diet, or a bowel movement, or something like that. It is most certainly not the result of fat cells sucking in water to replace fat they have released.
Yeah, except for the part where I can tell roughly how much weight I will drop based on how many times I get up to pee the night after after a structured refeed when I am cutting.
Increased food volume, more peeing, no pooping involved, lower weight. Yeah, you do the math.4 -
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I wish I had the whoosh and marbley-feeling fat. I just lost at a steady rate. I'd file this OP under "weight loss is not linear".3
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »Timothy, im sorry to tell you but i am pretty sure that during the month i lost nothing and then lost 10 pounds within a couple days it's not because i took a 10 pound poop. As previously stated i stuck to my routine despite no loss, you don't have to believe in it all you want, but there are plenty of people who do go through a process that seems like this
I'm not disputing that weight sometimes drops quickly. All I'm saying is that this idea that it is because the fat cells are swapping fat for water is nonsense. Changes in glycogen levels is a more likely cause than these fatty water balloons. For every 1 gram of glycogen you are storing you are also storing 3 grams of water.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »considering how many factors influence a womans weight, chances are a lot of us wouldn't notice the slight increase in weight before a woosh, i do however remember spending a lot of time during my 117 pound loss poking and squishing and feeling a lot of hard gobby bits in the places i still carried my weight. There was this spot over my hip bone that i could totally feel that.. now its gone and all i feel there is bone.
For a 100 pound woman, it would be a 13 pound increase in weight. For a 150 pound woman it would be a 20 pound increase. I think most women would notice something like that.
Your arithmetic seems to assume that these women consist of 100% fat before reducing their calories, and that 100% of that fat is replaced by water during calorie-reduction, pre-woosh period (100/7.4 lb weight of a gallon of fat, as quoted in your earlier post = 13.5; 13.5 X 1 lb difference between gallon of fat and gallon of water, also in your earlier post).
That's clearly a pretty silly assumption. Do these women disappear after the woosh, since they were 100% water pre-whoosh?11 -
TimothyFish wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »Timothy, im sorry to tell you but i am pretty sure that during the month i lost nothing and then lost 10 pounds within a couple days it's not because i took a 10 pound poop. As previously stated i stuck to my routine despite no loss, you don't have to believe in it all you want, but there are plenty of people who do go through a process that seems like this
I'm not disputing that weight sometimes drops quickly. All I'm saying is that this idea that it is because the fat cells are swapping fat for water is nonsense. Changes in glycogen levels is a more likely cause than these fatty water balloons. For every 1 gram of glycogen you are storing you are also storing 3 grams of water.
This is also covered by what I said. When I am cutting, I am extremely low-carb. A structured refeed is my refilling glycogen. If it were that, the weight would stay up until I deplete, instead of purging exactly 24 hours later in an all night pee-fest.1
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