Carb gain powders??
monkeybusiness2104
Posts: 47 Member
Have any of you successfully used a carb gainer powder with protien powder to gain weight? I'm looking at the Now foods brand. How often or how much do you need a day and how long did it take to gain? I want to gain about 5-10 lbs.
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1 time per day with post workout shake.
I use Karbolyn1 -
Don't even bother with them. They are just overpriced crap usually. Mainly just filled with dextrose and maltadextrine (cheap sugars) and they charge you a crap ton for them. If you look at www.labdoor.com at the protein section, you will see almost all the mass gainers have been identified as the worst.
You want cheap sugar, eat some gummy bears with a protein shake. It's the same effect as a carb gainer.1 -
When I think of all the wonderful ways in which one can add carbs to the diet, the thought of mass gain powders makes me very, very sad.10
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StealthHealth wrote: »When I think of all the wonderful ways in which one can add carbs to the diet, the thought of mass gain powders makes me very, very sad.
It's largely marketing. Some assume that supplements are better than junk food. Sadly, most junk food has more nutrients... and doesn't have a side effect of intestinal discomfort for some.2 -
Why anyone would choose to drink carbs rather than eat something is beyond me. Unless you are trying to consume 4000+ calories of bro food, there is no need for them.3
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As stated, they're pretty much pointless. If you really want liquid cals though, get some protein powder, dextrose, oats, and make your own. You'll end up saving some cash in the end, for the exact same thing.0
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trigden1991 wrote: »Why anyone would choose to drink carbs rather than eat something is beyond me. Unless you are trying to consume 4000+ calories of bro food, there is no need for them.
seriously ...why take some powder when I could have bagels, pasta, etc...????3 -
monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »Have any of you successfully used a carb gainer powder with protien powder to gain weight? I'm looking at the Now foods brand. How often or how much do you need a day and how long did it take to gain? I want to gain about 5-10 lbs.
I personally don't utilize suppliments because there isn't anything that I need that I can't get from food. I prefer eating cake, ice cream, or banana for carbs. I prefer eating chicken marinated in ranch topped with Chipotle, hamburger, or spicy cajun chicken nuggets over any protien powder.
To answer your question directly, it takes the same amount if time as food if you have the same caloric surplus.1 -
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@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.-1 -
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
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@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.1 -
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
@JB035
Be wary of marketing hype would be my advice.
Dextrose is just a form of glucose (made from corn starch).
As far as I'm aware nothing gets absorbed faster than glucose. That's why endurance athletes often fuel on it predominately. Or 2:1 glucose/fructose mix if they need/want higher than the maximum rate that glucose can be absorbed (approx. 60g/hour).
You could get the same effect of fast/slow release carbs by eating a sweetened bowl of cereal - personal choice of course.
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Carb gainers are pretty pointless.1
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@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
@JB035
Be wary of marketing hype would be my advice.
Dextrose is just a form of glucose (made from corn starch).
As far as I'm aware nothing gets absorbed faster than glucose. That's why endurance athletes often fuel on it predominately. Or 2:1 glucose/fructose mix if they need/want higher than the maximum rate that glucose can be absorbed (approx. 60g/hour).
You could get the same effect of fast/slow release carbs by eating a sweetened bowl of cereal - personal choice of course.
Considering both dextrose and maltodextrin are known to be the fastest absorbing carbohydrates.... and they are glucose, i would agree with you. Dextrose is a monosaccharide (short chain) and maltodextrin is a polysaccharide (long chain starch i believe). and derived from those sources noted above. So yea.. seems like marketing hype.2 -
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
@JB035
Be wary of marketing hype would be my advice.
Dextrose is just a form of glucose (made from corn starch).
As far as I'm aware nothing gets absorbed faster than glucose. That's why endurance athletes often fuel on it predominately. Or 2:1 glucose/fructose mix if they need/want higher than the maximum rate that glucose can be absorbed (approx. 60g/hour).
You could get the same effect of fast/slow release carbs by eating a sweetened bowl of cereal - personal choice of course.
Considering both dextrose and maltodextrin are known to be the fastest absorbing carbohydrates.... and they are glucose, i would agree with you. Dextrose is a monosaccharide and maltodextrin is a polysaccharide.. and derived from those sources noted above. So yea.. seems like marketing hype.
Marketing hype?!? In the supplement industry?!?!? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!1!1!!
If P.T. Barnum was alive today, he wouldn't be in the circus business - he'd be in the nutrition supplement business. His quote of "There's a sucker born every minute" has never been more apropos.1 -
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
@JB035
Be wary of marketing hype would be my advice.
Dextrose is just a form of glucose (made from corn starch).
As far as I'm aware nothing gets absorbed faster than glucose. That's why endurance athletes often fuel on it predominately. Or 2:1 glucose/fructose mix if they need/want higher than the maximum rate that glucose can be absorbed (approx. 60g/hour).
You could get the same effect of fast/slow release carbs by eating a sweetened bowl of cereal - personal choice of course.
Considering both dextrose and maltodextrin are known to be the fastest absorbing carbohydrates.... and they are glucose, i would agree with you. Dextrose is a monosaccharide and maltodextrin is a polysaccharide.. and derived from those sources noted above. So yea.. seems like marketing hype.
Marketing hype?!? In the supplement industry?!?!? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!1!1!!
I know i am absolutely shocked. 0 -
Suckas got me!!1
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Instead of coffee in the morning.., on a cut i use musashi shed and burn.
Bulk i use musashi mass gainer.0 -
The whole thing with Karbolyn reminds me of the hydrolyzed whey hype that ended up being nothing but bitter tasting disappointment. "Zomg, it's totally even faster than whey isolate...nevermind the fact that half of whey isolate's AA content already ends up being oxidized for energy, due to the speed of digestion...you totally need even faster...now pay me."1
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@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Where do you buy karbolyn??
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monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfy
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monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfymonkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfy
Yea I have no idea what that acronym means.
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monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfymonkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfy
Yea I have no idea what that acronym means.
Ftfy=fixed that for you.0 -
monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »monkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfymonkeybusiness2104 wrote: »
@JB035
@sijomial Dude don't trip....
I got one even better for you. If you can tell me why karbolyn is good post workout I'll tell you why I don't consider it a junk food.
Trip? Sorry I'm a different generation from you and trip might mean something different to me!
I do understand why carbs (any carbs) are good post workout, although the importance timing is vastly over emphasised - that wasn't the question. I'm not anti sugar by way, my highly processed sugar/carb intake tends to be during very long bike rides though (carb gels etc.). I do prefer to eat "real food" as much as possible though.
Was just surprised in the light of your opposition to junk food why you don't classify this supplement as junk as it's pretty much devoid of nutrition apart from energy.My point is we shouldn't settle for a poor plan just because we can make up for it in junk food.
A bit like the perennial what does clean eating mean discussions I'm confused what you regard as junk.
@sijomial
Sorry I thought you were being smug.
"Karbolyn is a mixture of Potato, rice, and corn deliver both short-chain and long-chain carbohydrates. This blend of quick and slow-releasing energy gives an immediate boost bolstered by hours of energy following. Karbolyn is absorbed more quickly than dextrose or glucose, yet still provides sustained energy for more than two hours."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/the-benefits-of-post-workout-carbohydrates.html
I'm not smart enough to fully explain it so if you have time read this check it out.
Why do you buy karbolyn??
ftfy
Yea I have no idea what that acronym means.
I had to google it. LOL0 -
Another thing to take into consideration is quality/efficacy of the product. While Karbolyn hasn't been tested, you can see a common thing regarding weight gainers/mass gainers from the below analysis. They are all at the bottom of the list, which means their quality is crap.
https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein1 -
Another thing to take into consideration is quality/efficacy of the product. While Karbolyn hasn't been tested, you can see a common thing regarding weight gainers/mass gainers from the below analysis. They are all at the bottom of the list, which means their quality is crap.
https://labdoor.com/rankings/protein
Very interesting... thankyou @psuLemon0
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