CICO huh?
DietPrada
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Riddle me this. My calorie target is set to 1460 (used to be 1700 - but I've lost about 37kg). I'm 5'10" and 87kg so 1460 is fine. I wear a Misfit Shine (like a fitbit). It syncs with MFP and does the calorie adjustment based on activity. MFP is set to sedentary to allow for this. The Misfit seems pretty accurate (based on testing over time). I do not eat back my exercise calories. My net calories for this week are in the pic below, and this is a pretty standard week, I'm a creature of habit. So, it seems I'm averaging 900 calories a day. Allowing for some inaccuracy in the tracker lets say 1000 calories a day. I weigh and record all of my food, with accurate MFP database entries (been doing this 4 years, I'm a pro). I have no health issues. I'm not on any medication. I have had no cheats or outings or guesstimates - not one.
Calorie calculator says this:
You need 2,207 Calories/day to maintain your weight.
You need 1,707 Calories/day to lose 0.5 kg per week.
You need 1,207 Calories/day to lose 1 kg per week.
You need 2,707 Calories/day to gain 0.5 kg per week.
You need 3,207 Calories/day to gain 1 kg per week.
So, I should lose just over a kg a week. According to basic CICO maths, correct? And yet, I've lost 3kg in 3 months.
Calorie calculator says this:
You need 2,207 Calories/day to maintain your weight.
You need 1,707 Calories/day to lose 0.5 kg per week.
You need 1,207 Calories/day to lose 1 kg per week.
You need 2,707 Calories/day to gain 0.5 kg per week.
You need 3,207 Calories/day to gain 1 kg per week.
So, I should lose just over a kg a week. According to basic CICO maths, correct? And yet, I've lost 3kg in 3 months.
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »The 1kg per week is basically just an estimate.. just like the foods we eat, i mean i could log 165 calories for 100g of chicken based on the USDA website but even that is just a guess. Calorie goals are also estimates, in order to know your actual burn for you, you would have to go in and get lab testing done. Your BMR is also just a general guess, calorie burns.. a guess.. So many factors go into it, so yes.. its still calories in calories out, but that number is not set in stone, your calories in/out needs to be different then someone elses even if they matched you in age, weight and height. The numbers visually given to us are just a starting mark, a way to make it easier just to start somewhere rather then blindly picking somewhere to start with no information
So you'd recommend I eat less than 900 net calories a day? Or do you think my weighing and tracking is out by 500 cals a day? Or my Misfit is wrong and I'm actually dead.2 -
How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.13
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annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.0 -
Another factor in your net calorie numbers is those coming from the Misfit. If they are inflated compared to what you are really burning it would me the adjustments from it would make you deficit look bigger than it actually is.8
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.2 -
You may find this helpful: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10481830/the-diet-break/p10
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.0 -
EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
A diet break is eating at maintenance. It's not losing restraint and gaining weight. Those calories could make a difference if your hormones are depleted if you've been eating at deficit too long.10 -
EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).0 -
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
maintenance is the calorie intake at which you maintain your weight. I'm really not sure why you're so resistant to at least trying it. But I' also seconding @Look_Its_Kriss 's recommendation to get a referral to an endo to dig a bit deeper if your TDEE is truly that far below 'average'.2 -
EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
If you are currently losing 0.5 lb/week then presumably you are eating 250 cals below your true maintenance. You can also reverse diet your way up to it by adding 100 cals/week until you stop losing.
Honestly though, I'm not getting the sense that you want advice and help as much as you want to refute the concept of CICO. There are reasons why people don't lose at the rate they expect. Most of the time it's underestimating intake or overestimating calorie burn. If that's not the case for you, other options could be, as other posters have said: taking a diet break to let hormone levels restore after a prolonged deficit, or seeing a doctor for underlying medical conditions which may mean that the CICO balance needs to be tweaked for you to work.
IIRC, you eat a LCHF diet, is that right? Has anything changed with the foods you are eating, have you incorporated new foods that may be masking the weight loss and you are due for a "woosh"? Did you lose faster before and this is a sudden stall?11 -
WinoGelato wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
If you are currently losing 0.5 lb/week then presumably you are eating 250 cals below your true maintenance. You can also reverse diet your way up to it by adding 100 cals/week until you stop losing.
Honestly though, I'm not getting the sense that you want advice and help as much as you want to refute the concept of CICO. There are reasons why people don't lose at the rate they expect. Most of the time it's underestimating intake or overestimating calorie burn. If that's not the case for you, other options could be, as other posters have said: taking a diet break to let hormone levels restore after a prolonged deficit, or seeing a doctor for underlying medical conditions which may mean that the CICO balance needs to be tweaked for you to work.
IIRC, you eat a LCHF diet, is that right? Has anything changed with the foods you are eating, have you incorporated new foods that may be masking the weight loss and you are due for a "woosh"? Did you lose faster before and this is a sudden stall?
I'm currently losing 0.25 per week, not half. And I am netting 900 to 1000 calories a day. I am not resistant, nor am I looking to refute anything. I am simply pointing out that things are not as simple as a mathematic equation. Even if I'm underestimating (I'm not) and my exercise calories are overestimated (they could be) the figures are NOT out by 500 calories a day - it's simply not possible.
Yes I eat low carb, my Dad died from type 2 diabetes last year, my doctor told me 4 years ago I would suffer the same fate if I did not make changes. Low carb works for many reasons I won't go into again. None of my foods have changed, we eat the same food. Only changes I've tried have been cutting out dairy, cutting out diet sugar, increasing carbs from 5% to 10% (still in ketosis)etc. But if it was a simple matter of calories none of that should matter I could eat 1400 calories of fairy floss and lose weight.
I had a "woosh" last week. I lost about 1.5kg - I have been steadily gaining it back at the rate of 100g a day. This is generally how it goes.
I'm not arguing that eating at maintenance is a bad idea (if someone doesn't say "oh sure, great, you're totally right" - it's not arguing, it's discussing something and offering more information/perspective), I'm just pretty sure if I ate 1800 net calories I'd gain weight, quickly.
I'm not sure I want help. I'm pretty sure over the duration I have tried everything, read everything made any changes it's possible to make and the end result has been the same. Fighting the same BS battle for every single gram.
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Your net calories are low, so guess what the body does? It adapts the metabolic rate to equal output of energy used. Why? So you don't die.
Can't beat the body own intellect when it comes to weight loss. I would bet if you took an actual test for RMR it's lower than what the actual estimate is based on age, weight, height and gender. So if you're burning less calories at rest (which is when we burn the most excess body fat when in deficit), you're going to lose weight slower. Maybe even to a crawl.
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
Well, if you gain weight at that, then there's something off in the calculations of your deficit, perhaps.
Let's get to some real data here:
How many gross calories are you eating a day?
What exercise is your Misfit basing that net on? Is it all step-based?0 -
EbonyDahlia wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
If you are currently losing 0.5 lb/week then presumably you are eating 250 cals below your true maintenance. You can also reverse diet your way up to it by adding 100 cals/week until you stop losing.
Honestly though, I'm not getting the sense that you want advice and help as much as you want to refute the concept of CICO. There are reasons why people don't lose at the rate they expect. Most of the time it's underestimating intake or overestimating calorie burn. If that's not the case for you, other options could be, as other posters have said: taking a diet break to let hormone levels restore after a prolonged deficit, or seeing a doctor for underlying medical conditions which may mean that the CICO balance needs to be tweaked for you to work.
IIRC, you eat a LCHF diet, is that right? Has anything changed with the foods you are eating, have you incorporated new foods that may be masking the weight loss and you are due for a "woosh"? Did you lose faster before and this is a sudden stall?
I'm currently losing 0.25 per week, not half. And I am netting 900 to 1000 calories a day. I am not resistant, nor am I looking to refute anything. I am simply pointing out that things are not as simple as a mathematic equation. Even if I'm underestimating (I'm not) and my exercise calories are overestimated (they could be) the figures are NOT out by 500 calories a day - it's simply not possible.
Yes I eat low carb, my Dad died from type 2 diabetes last year, my doctor told me 4 years ago I would suffer the same fate if I did not make changes. Low carb works for many reasons I won't go into again. None of my foods have changed, we eat the same food. Only changes I've tried have been cutting out dairy, cutting out diet sugar, increasing carbs from 5% to 10% (still in ketosis)etc. But if it was a simple matter of calories none of that should matter I could eat 1400 calories of fairy floss and lose weight.
I had a "woosh" last week. I lost about 1.5kg - I have been steadily gaining it back at the rate of 100g a day. This is generally how it goes.
I'm not arguing that eating at maintenance is a bad idea (if someone doesn't say "oh sure, great, you're totally right" - it's not arguing, it's discussing something and offering more information/perspective), I'm just pretty sure if I ate 1800 net calories I'd gain weight, quickly.
I'm not sure I want help. I'm pretty sure over the duration I have tried everything, read everything made any changes it's possible to make and the end result has been the same. Fighting the same BS battle for every single gram.
Well, weight loss is a mathematical equation. Unfortunately, it seems like you are putting a lot of stock in the algorithms of your device (which can be vastly different) and it doesn't consider adaptive thermogenesis from prolonged calorie suppression. I worked with a women who came off a year protocol of HCG (so 3 rounds). After the protocol, she has a maintenance of 1400 (this included exercise 5-6 hours a week). After I got her on a good lifting program and kept her at maintenance for a year, her maintenance calories slowly moved up to 1700. It seems that impact of significant calorie suppression caused a down regulation of RMR.
ETA: It should be noted that your TDEE is not always a standard number and a variety of elements will cause variation. At best, you can take a running average over an extended period of time. That is what I have done and why I know my TDEE is around 3000 calories. Why, because I have enough data points with my intake to demonstrate that through feedback mechanism.7 -
Apologies for not having anything to add, I just wanted to applaud all the lovely and well thought out replies and responses. It's nice to read and not inwardly cringe, its also educational for those of us who have reached our goals and are looking at maintenance. I didn't know there were more detailed blood tests either, from the ones a GP does.
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »Riddle me this. My calorie target is set to 1460 (used to be 1700 - but I've lost about 37kg). I'm 5'10" and 87kg so 1460 is fine. I wear a Misfit Shine (like a fitbit). It syncs with MFP and does the calorie adjustment based on activity. MFP is set to sedentary to allow for this. The Misfit seems pretty accurate (based on testing over time). I do not eat back my exercise calories. My net calories for this week are in the pic below, and this is a pretty standard week, I'm a creature of habit. So, it seems I'm averaging 900 calories a day. Allowing for some inaccuracy in the tracker lets say 1000 calories a day. I weigh and record all of my food, with accurate MFP database entries (been doing this 4 years, I'm a pro). I have no health issues. I'm not on any medication. I have had no cheats or outings or guesstimates - not one.
Calorie calculator says this:
You need 2,207 Calories/day to maintain your weight.
You need 1,707 Calories/day to lose 0.5 kg per week.
You need 1,207 Calories/day to lose 1 kg per week.
You need 2,707 Calories/day to gain 0.5 kg per week.
You need 3,207 Calories/day to gain 1 kg per week.
So, I should lose just over a kg a week. According to basic CICO maths, correct? And yet, I've lost 3kg in 3 months.
There is no riddle to this. Your calorie balance is not really what it shows above, otherwise you would indeed be losing weight much quicker. With your loss of approximately almost 7 pounds in 3 months (that about 2.25 pounds a month), you are eating way more, meaning some calculations are not correct. That's a good thing, though, because you are losing weight at a slow sustainable pace.
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »annacole94 wrote: »How do you know you don't have any health concerns? Honestly, if you're THAT sure you're right, it's time to consult a dietitian and a doctor. If you are correct, science wants you to help end malnutrition.
^^This.Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »I think it could be a combination of many things..
I don't recommend eating less, but i just think that taking the numbers like they should be fact is why so many people have a hard time with the CICO process.. We can use everything we can to try and be as close as we can to what the CICO is for us but in the end it's all a guess and if we don't get the results we want we tweak until we do. Since weight loss itself isn't linear, it's often said that we should just keep a weight trend app so that we can see not only fluctuations but that the over all trend is down.. i went 5 weeks with absolutely no loss when i was 213 pounds, despite weighing food, walking everywhere, going to the gym.. scale did not move. It did eventually though.. and you might find next 3 months that the scale might move faster then expected.
^^And this.
Also have you taken a diet break at any stage?
Yes I'm that sure I'm right - my tracking is accurate. In fact if anything I will round up (37g feta becomes 40g). I have been doing this for 4 years. I have been to the doctor, had the blood tests.
Yes, I took a diet "break" early last year. I had surgery (tubes tied). I stopped tracking for about 3 months. I did not binge eat, but I did eat a bit more than I normally would. I also gained 14kg in that time.
Yes, I have happy scale which tracks weightloss over time. I have lost 37kg in 4 years. Other than the 3 months previously mentioned I was accurately and diligently tracking that whole time.
3 months ago I dropped from 1700 cals to 1460 cals. I am still losing at the same rate (about half a lb a week). I was actually shocked to see that I'm averaging 900 cals a day net. I walk to and from the bus - about 3km in all, plus other exercise and I just eat my 1460 cals and not worry about it.
I would seriously consider another break. Your body was going through a lot when you did the last one plus that was some time ago. A couple of weeks at maintenance may do you the world of good. If it doesn't then you need to dig deeper because something is affecting your CO.
An interesting thread (linked in the post after) and a good concept in theory, but I don't think I can survive gaining any kgs, considering how long it took to get rid of them. I dare not go above about 1700 to 1800 cals a day, and to be honest that extra 350 is really neither here nor there - certainly not a "break". I'm wondering if a day here and there might be okay. As in, I'm seriously about 2000 calories under my target for the week, maybe I could manage a 700 calorie Caesar salad or something on the weekend.
As @GottaBurnEmAll said a diet break is eating at maintenance. Why not just try it for a couple of weeks? Given how long you've been at a deficit for I doubt a day here and there at higher cals will be enough. But you could adopt that strategy going forward.
I understand that, but what is "maintenance"? Last time I took a break I know - based on 25 years of counting calories - that I would not have often hit more than 2000 a day and yet I gained 14kg in 3 months. According to the calculations in the first post I should be able to maintain at 2207. I guarantee I can't - I'll gain weight. Hence why I said I dare not eat more than 1700 to 1800 cals a day (which would be about 1400 net).
If you are currently losing 0.5 lb/week then presumably you are eating 250 cals below your true maintenance. You can also reverse diet your way up to it by adding 100 cals/week until you stop losing.
Honestly though, I'm not getting the sense that you want advice and help as much as you want to refute the concept of CICO. There are reasons why people don't lose at the rate they expect. Most of the time it's underestimating intake or overestimating calorie burn. If that's not the case for you, other options could be, as other posters have said: taking a diet break to let hormone levels restore after a prolonged deficit, or seeing a doctor for underlying medical conditions which may mean that the CICO balance needs to be tweaked for you to work.
IIRC, you eat a LCHF diet, is that right? Has anything changed with the foods you are eating, have you incorporated new foods that may be masking the weight loss and you are due for a "woosh"? Did you lose faster before and this is a sudden stall?
I'm currently losing 0.25 per week, not half. And I am netting 900 to 1000 calories a day. I am not resistant, nor am I looking to refute anything. I am simply pointing out that things are not as simple as a mathematic equation. Even if I'm underestimating (I'm not) and my exercise calories are overestimated (they could be) the figures are NOT out by 500 calories a day - it's simply not possible.
Yes I eat low carb, my Dad died from type 2 diabetes last year, my doctor told me 4 years ago I would suffer the same fate if I did not make changes. Low carb works for many reasons I won't go into again. None of my foods have changed, we eat the same food. Only changes I've tried have been cutting out dairy, cutting out diet sugar, increasing carbs from 5% to 10% (still in ketosis)etc. But if it was a simple matter of calories none of that should matter I could eat 1400 calories of fairy floss and lose weight.
I had a "woosh" last week. I lost about 1.5kg - I have been steadily gaining it back at the rate of 100g a day. This is generally how it goes.
I'm not arguing that eating at maintenance is a bad idea (if someone doesn't say "oh sure, great, you're totally right" - it's not arguing, it's discussing something and offering more information/perspective), I'm just pretty sure if I ate 1800 net calories I'd gain weight, quickly.
I'm not sure I want help. I'm pretty sure over the duration I have tried everything, read everything made any changes it's possible to make and the end result has been the same. Fighting the same BS battle for every single gram.
Well, weight loss is a mathematical equation. Unfortunately, it seems like you are putting a lot of stock in the algorithms of your device (which can be vastly different) and it doesn't consider adaptive thermogenesis from prolonged calorie suppression. I worked with a women who came off a year protocol of HCG (so 3 rounds). After the protocol, she has a maintenance of 1400 (this included exercise 5-6 hours a week). After I got her on a good lifting program and kept her at maintenance for a year, her maintenance calories slowly moved up to 1700. It seems that impact of significant calorie suppression caused a down regulation of RMR.
ETA: It should be noted that your TDEE is not always a standard number and a variety of elements will cause variation. At best, you can take a running average over an extended period of time. That is what I have done and why I know my TDEE is around 3000 calories. Why, because I have enough data points with my intake to demonstrate that through feedback mechanism.
And on the heels of this, perhaps it would be prudent for you, OP, to stop dieting for the time being and find out what your true TDEE is by finding that point where your weight stabilizes (with minor fluctuations for sodium and activity) and start from there using that as a data point for creating a deficit.
No matter what else has gone on here, something is off with your numbers. Either the information coming from your device is very off (I'm not sure how reliable the Misfits are), or you have a severe case of metabolic adaptation (and I think this is unlikely because you haven't severely restricted), or some combination of both.
Here's something you can do and that I find useful if you have consistent exercise: it could be a problem in how you have everything set up. Forget tracking net calories and switch to a TDEE method using your Shine. Set your MFP to sedentary maintenance. Have negative calorie adjustments enabled. Have the Shine send over calorie adjustments. Your sedentary maintenance plus the calorie adjustment from the Shine will be your TDEE. Calories left at the end of the day will be your deficit. Eat enough during the day to create the deficit you want.
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I noted you stated that your MFP is set to sedentary as a way to offset inaccuracies in Fitbit exercise calculations. In which case your calorie maintenance level could be higher in reality than what the MFP has calculated. It appears too, that since you don't eat back your exercise calories thus resulting in some pretty low net calorie days, that you are actually pretty active. The sedentary setting would also mean that your calorie goal for weight loss (1460/ day) is lower than needed...thus resulting in higher weight loss than expected. I'd double check your activity setting. The inaccuracies are probably not enough to warrant setting MFP to sedentary instead of active.0
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You're chronically underfeeding with super low net calories...you're stressing your body out and jacking your hormones up. Adaptive thermogenesis is a thing...so you don't die...your body is pretty good at that.6
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cwolfman13 wrote: »You're chronically underfeeding with super low net calories...you're stressing your body out and jacking your hormones up. Adaptive thermogenesis is a thing...so you don't die...your body is pretty good at that.
That presumes her data is accurate. I'm not so sure it is.3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »You're chronically underfeeding with super low net calories...you're stressing your body out and jacking your hormones up. Adaptive thermogenesis is a thing...so you don't die...your body is pretty good at that.
That presumes her data is accurate. I'm not so sure it is.
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A couple of thoughts...
1) When I had a Misfit Shine, it dramatically was overestimating what I was burning in a day -- to the tune of between 300 and 500 calories over. So I wouldn't be as apt to trust it as you are, considering that you're not losing weight at a rate that you'd expect. You may think it's accurate, but it probably isn't.
2) Since you're working with TDEE, why do you care about net calories? What are you *actually* eating each day at a gross perspective, not net?6
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