Family is negative support/calories in, calories out isn't FACT

Bigbopper69

Finding it hard to stay positive and motivated when family are unsupportive and negative because of their own issues.

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily
Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow
metabolism and weight gain

SalinitySally

Yeah. All of that. Don't engage with saboteurs.

singingflutelady

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Finding it hard to stay positive and motivated when family are unsupportive and negative because of their own issues.

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily
Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow
metabolism and weight gain

The slowdown of your metabolism isn't that drastic and takes a while to occur but you contradict yourself. If you are eating higher than your metabolism allows you are eating more calories than your body needs

ccsernica

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily
Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow
metabolism and weight gain

Yes, extremely low calorie intake can do that if you're stuck that way long enough. But it takes a LOT, for a LONG time, for your metabolism to slow down significantly.

Even so, the formula is still CI < CO. If you have a metabolic problem then it messes with the CO side of the equation, and the tools used to estimate it will be wrong since they all assume a healthy "average" metabolism, but the fundamentals are still the same.

Alatariel75

If you have a metabolic issue which causes your CO to be lower than it otherwise might for the average person of your stats, it doesn't mean CICO isn't true. It means the CO side of the equation is lower so you need to lower the CI more than you otherwise would.


Put another way, just because you have a 3 litre bucket when most people have a 4 litre bucket doesn't change the calculation of volume. It just means you can put less in your particular bucket before it overflows.

seska422

If you have a fast metabolism and that (plus your exercise) burns (let's say) 3000 calories per day, then eating less than 3000 calories will lead to weight loss. That 3000 will be the CO part for you.

If you have a slow metabolism and that (plus your exercise) burns (let's say) 1500 calories per day, then eating less than 1500 calories will lead to weight loss. That 1500 will be the CO part for you.

So, what happens if a person eats 1900 calories? Well, that all depends upon their personal CO. Their personal CO may be higher or lower than average. Of the two examples above, the first will lose weight with a CI of 1900 and the second will gain weight.

CI and CO are variable and can be hard to estimate accurately. If you aren't losing when you think you should be losing, you need to investigate how you are determining your CI and CO.

goldthistime

Because water weight changes have such a big impact on the scale it can seem like CICO isn't fact. In the short term, I measure my success only by whether I am meeting my calorie goals, not by the scales.

Theo166

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Finding it hard to stay positive and motivated when family are unsupportive and negative because of their own issues.

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily
Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow metabolism and weight gain

Sorry but CICO is fact,
yes your Calories Out can change due to depression or other circumstances, but it's still there. The challenge is to learn your base CO and then how it may shift over time with health issues or increased activity.

The only tweak I'd make is CICO+H2O, since fluctuations in water weight explain the periods where the scale does not match expectations.

ninerbuff

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Finding it hard to stay positive and motivated when family are unsupportive and negative because of their own issues.

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily
Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow
metabolism and weight gain

Then this may not be the community you need. I've been here for years and people that DON'T believe CICO are the people who don't succeed. Sorry, you don't have to believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue. FACT is CICO is equation to lose/gain/maintain weight. Even if their is a health/hormone issue.


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Bigbopper69

All opinions are appreciated and respected... my hope is that those with open minds will find that IRL, the book knowledge is not universal and will agree that CI-CO is a good tool, However, not every individual fits the "chart" ranges...one size fits most, but not all.

WinoGelato

If you would be willing to provide more details about your stats, goals, eating/logging habits and activity - people would be happy to try to help you understand where something may need to be tweaked in order to be successful. If you are willing to open your food diary, even better.

Making blanket statements like "CICO isn't fact" isn't going to be very helpful because while there may be extenuating circumstances which impacts one side of the energy balance or the other - CICO is an energy balance and it is immutable.

ninerbuff

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

All opinions are appreciated and respected... my hope is that those with open minds will find that IRL, the book knowledge is not universal and will agree that CI-CO is a good tool, However, not every individual fits the "chart" ranges...one size fits most, but not all.

Very opened minded here. Part of the reason I don't adhere to "broscience" or "pseudoscience". But CICO applies to EVERYONE. The parameters for individuals differ due to possible health/hormonal issues, but the equation still works. You just have to find out what the actual numbers are as an individual to apply it.
I likely burn more than someone who is sedentary and is the same age, height and weight. That person can't consume as much as I do and lose weight. But if we find out what his actual TDEE is and apply the CICO equation, we can find out how much he needs to eat to lose weight.


A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

ccsernica

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

However, not every individual fits the "chart" ranges

Unless I misread the thread, that's pretty much what people have been saying.

TavistockToad

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

All opinions are appreciated and respected... my hope is that those with open minds will find that IRL, the book knowledge is not universal and will agree that CI-CO is a good tool, However, not every individual fits the "chart" ranges...one size fits most, but not all.

So are you saying that CICO doesn't work for you? Because....?

AnvilHead

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Really tired of reading in online community that if you aren't losing weight, you MUST be eating more calories then your body needs daily

Sorry you're tired of hearing it, but it's the scientifically proven truth. The sooner you wrap your head around it, the sooner you'll probably experience success with weight loss.

Bigbopper69 wrote: »

Physical/mental health issues resulting in low/no appetite can lead to skipping meals and too low total daily calories... resulting in slow metabolism and weight gain

Slower metabolism - yep, quite possibly. Weight gain - nope. Doesn't happen. Ever. In any scientific study ever done:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/another-look-at-metabolic-damage.html/