Jason Fung's Book: The Obesity Code, Thoughts?
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Pretty much everything that's in the book is available in his YouTube presentations and interviews. That would be easy enough to check out to see...'is this something that I'm even interested in'?
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Catawampous wrote: »My point was ... science told me those foods were bad and guess what, they aren't. So obviously there are times when science can be wrong ... or bad science that gets published as gospel to the masses. However you want to phrase it or look at it. Obviously you can be underweight and have serious health concerns. But I am not going here, I don't have the time or inclination and I been around just long enough to see the writing on the wall as far as this thread is concerned.
OP - if you feel the book is for you, have at it. Maybe listen to some of his stuff first and determine for yourself if you think the book is worth the investment or if he's a quack or not. Don't take the written word as gospel just like you don't take TV advertisements for weight loss products as gospel. Use a critical eye and if you do buy the book do your research on any claims made.
There is no concept of bad and good in science. For concepts of good and bad you must look elsewhere. Science can tell you whether a food is likely to help you reach your goals, but it cannot tell you if a food is good or bad because it cannot tell you if your goal is good or bad.5 -
I'm really excited to see what "the science" says in 20 years time. I'm sure everything will be turned on it's *kitten* again...2
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This thread almost makes me laugh. If someone mentions something that differs from current scientific literature people freak out on them. And then in this thread some of those same ones are stating science isn't the be all, end all. Or readily admit that it changes often. But whoa to the person that sites someone that is ahead of their time right now. People are truly fickle. It really isn't about science for most people here. It's really about them not liking being disagreed with. I just think it's funny.7
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Those "ahead of their time" are wrong far more often than not. It's more than a little disingenuous to call these "brave mavericks" ahead of their time. The best, most honest approach is to use the best science has to say at present. It's not perfect and no one ever says it is, but nothing else will be based on the facts as they stand. To go beyond the facts as they stand and call it the truth is misleading at best and a lie at worst.8
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VintageFeline wrote: »Jason Fung is a dirty word round here.
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If I am not mistaken, he doesn't think CICO works.0
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If CICO worked - why the massive obesity? Must be that everyone has no willpower to stop stuffing their faces.0
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Geocitiesuser wrote: »
That and/or not realizing how caloric their choices are. People are drinking 500+ calorie Starbucks drinks, driving to work, sitting at a desk for 8 hours where they usually order lunch and have treats from the break room, then they go home and sit more. They don't realize they eat far above their calorie needs and that drink calories also count. With the standard American diet it's so easy to consume more calories than you burn.9 -
Maxematics wrote: »Geocitiesuser wrote: »
That and/or not realizing how caloric their choices are. People are drinking 500+ calorie Starbucks drinks, driving to work, sitting at a desk for 8 hours where they usually order lunch and have treats from the break room, then they go home and sit more. They don't realize they eat far above their calorie needs and that drink calories also count. With the standard American diet it's so easy to consume more calories than you burn.
Nailed it! Or blame willpower which is easier.3 -
Dabbadooey wrote: »If I am not mistaken, he doesn't think CICO works.If CICO worked - why the massive obesity? Must be that everyone has no willpower to stop stuffing their faces.
In the book, he explains that CICO does work, but the CO part is far more complex than current models allow for. He explains how CO is influenced by insulin levels. I can't explain several chapters worth of science in a couple of sentences, but (for type 2 diabetics at least), it explains how CO varies due to insulin levels, which in turn vary due to a number of factors, including carb content of food, whether the food also contains fibre (shown to decrease the effect of carbs on insulin levels) and time spent fasting. It's worth remembering that all of his work has been done with type 2 diabetics with insulin resistance, so will naturally be of limited use to those without these conditions.
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I forgot to add, he also explains the effect that insulin levels have on appetite, explaining why for a lot of people it is the sticking to a diet that is the hard bit. Let's face it, we all understand CICO at a basic level, but here we are trying to lose weight because we take in calories for so many more reasons than just making up one half of an energy equation. All of these methods tell one part of a very complex story.1
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Yes! Love his book! It is great and worth the price to purchase!2
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Yes! Love his book! It is great and worth the price to purchase!
I enjoyed the book too. I don't understand the hatred here for it. Most of the hatred seems to come from members that have not read his book. They've just decided that it's not for them This extreme dislike reminds me of when low-carb diets became fashionable and so many people freaked. 95% of the book is very reasonable and easy to follow, for me. It certainly is not for everyone. No diet will ever be for everyone. You need to find your own path and follow that one. Doesn't mean that you need to hate all the other paths that are not for you. I'm all for any path that makes people happy with themselves.3 -
I thought it was a good read.
I have practiced intermittent fasting on and off since I started my weight loss journey and it has helped me with cravings and appetite control and helped me lose 57lbs.
I'm not taking any 'diet' approach as gospel - I take something from each one and apply what I think could be sustainable.
What works to lose weight is CICO - so I disagree with Fung on that point.
But whatever helps you to maintain a calorie deficit is all good with me.
And IF does just that - for me.2 -
Agree! I read the book, and worth the price...although, I did just borrow it from the library. I did not sense a lot of quackery as it is sometimes labeled here. I'd give it ****Seasonal_One wrote: »Yes! Love his book! It is great and worth the price to purchase!
I enjoyed the book too. I don't understand the hatred here for it. Most of the hatred seems to come from members that have not read his book. They've just decided that it's not for them This extreme dislike reminds me of when low-carb diets became fashionable and so many people freaked. 95% of the book is very reasonable and easy to follow, for me. It certainly is not for everyone. No diet will ever be for everyone. You need to find your own path and follow that one. Doesn't mean that you need to hate all the other paths that are not for you. I'm all for any path that makes people happy with themselves.
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Good point!gettingreallyfedupnow wrote: »Dabbadooey wrote: »If I am not mistaken, he doesn't think CICO works.If CICO worked - why the massive obesity? Must be that everyone has no willpower to stop stuffing their faces.
In the book, he explains that CICO does work, but the CO part is far more complex than current models allow for. He explains how CO is influenced by insulin levels. I can't explain several chapters worth of science in a couple of sentences, but (for type 2 diabetics at least), it explains how CO varies due to insulin levels, which in turn vary due to a number of factors, including carb content of food, whether the food also contains fibre (shown to decrease the effect of carbs on insulin levels) and time spent fasting. It's worth remembering that all of his work has been done with type 2 diabetics with insulin resistance, so will naturally be of limited use to those without these conditions.
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