Artificial sweetener/does it really matter?

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  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,641 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    The science says no such thing.
  • inertiastrength
    inertiastrength Posts: 2,343 Member
    The diet cherry cream soda I just had was delicious
  • Aarjono
    Aarjono Posts: 228 Member
    PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    The science says no such thing.

    Obviously you didn't bother to read the scientific review article I shared. OK.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    Agreed...
  • Aarjono
    Aarjono Posts: 228 Member
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    Agreed...

    I'm confused-- Is this directed at me? Because I actually *did* read past the title-- all the way to the end, as a matter of fact, and that is why I posted it.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    Agreed...

    I'm confused-- Is this directed at me? Because I actually *did* read past the title-- all the way to the end, as a matter of fact, and that is why I posted it.

    Then answer me a question: Do you think being hungry "causes weight gain"?
  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    You should read the entire thing...it supports her point that artificial sweeteners can encourage weight gain.
  • crazyycatlady1
    crazyycatlady1 Posts: 292 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    They certainly don't have that affect on me, and I had no issues losing the extra weight and improving all my health markers while consuming artificial sweeteners. Artificial sweeteners do not cause any sort of cravings for me or lead me to overeat.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    You should read the entire thing...it supports her point that artificial sweeteners can encourage weight gain.

    I ask you the same question then. Do you think being hungry causes, or encourages, weight gain?
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,641 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    The science says no such thing.

    Obviously you didn't bother to read the scientific review article I shared. OK.

    I skimmed it. It said a lot about cravings and appetite. There is no mecanism by which a zero-calorie sweetener directly causes weight gain. I also missed the part about where they "play havoc" with your body.
  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    stevencloser wrote: »
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    You should read the entire thing...it supports her point that artificial sweeteners can encourage weight gain.

    I ask you the same question then. Do you think being hungry causes, or encourages, weight gain?

    The study stated that the research shows a link between artificial sweetener use and weight gain. We know they have no calories, so the only explanation is that people then eat more food that does have calories...and that DOES cause weight gain. It also states that sweet taste "enhances human appetite", and artificial ones do so more than natural sugar.

    So even when not truly hungry, these artificial sweeteners "encourage people to eat". THAT does encourage weight gain.

    Modifying habits is difficult for most people already...I see no reason to make it harder by ingesting artificial substances that just trigger the urge to eat more.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    You should read the entire thing...it supports her point that artificial sweeteners can encourage weight gain.

    I ask you the same question then. Do you think being hungry causes, or encourages, weight gain?

    The study stated that the research shows a link between artificial sweetener use and weight gain. We know they have no calories, so the only explanation is that people then eat more food that does have calories...and that DOES cause weight gain. It also states that sweet taste "enhances human appetite", and artificial ones do so more than natural sugar.

    So even when not truly hungry, these artificial sweeteners "encourage people to eat". THAT does encourage weight gain.

    Modifying habits is difficult for most people already...I see no reason to make it harder by ingesting artificial substances that just trigger the urge to eat more.

    You do understand the difference between correlation and causation, right?
  • MoiAussi93
    MoiAussi93 Posts: 1,948 Member
    edited April 2017
    AnvilHead wrote: »
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    MoiAussi93 wrote: »
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.
    stevencloser wrote: »
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    You should read that again. At least the headline.

    You should read the entire thing...it supports her point that artificial sweeteners can encourage weight gain.

    I ask you the same question then. Do you think being hungry causes, or encourages, weight gain?

    The study stated that the research shows a link between artificial sweetener use and weight gain. We know they have no calories, so the only explanation is that people then eat more food that does have calories...and that DOES cause weight gain. It also states that sweet taste "enhances human appetite", and artificial ones do so more than natural sugar.

    So even when not truly hungry, these artificial sweeteners "encourage people to eat". THAT does encourage weight gain.

    Modifying habits is difficult for most people already...I see no reason to make it harder by ingesting artificial substances that just trigger the urge to eat more.

    You do understand the difference between correlation and causation, right?

    I do...I've taken graduate level statistics classes.

    A lot of people love to throw out "correlation does not equal causation" every time they are presented with a study they don't like. Well, I'll tell you what else correlation is not....correlation is certainly not evidence that one thing does not cause another.

    In fact, in many cases, correlation exists when there actually IS causality behind it. Just on example, it is now accepted that cigarette smoking not only correlates with lung cancer but actually causes it. But this was not "proven" by a study.

    Studies NEVER "prove" causation. They can't. Studies aren't ever even claimed to prove a hypothesis. All they can do is disprove the theory if the data supports that, or give support to the hypothesis being true if the evidence shows that. So while correlation CAN'T prove causation, correlation certainly CAN tell you "hey, there may actually be something to this. This is worth studying further." And this is exactly the situation with artificial sweeteners and cravings and weight gain.
  • doittoitgirl
    doittoitgirl Posts: 157 Member
    edited April 2017
    People will find an article here and a study there saying it Could cause cravings or it makes you gain weight. But honestly, if you lose weight easier with them, utilize it. No use torturing yourself because losing weight with a can of diet soda a day is better than stalling your weightloss trying to avoid it (for now). You'd have to have 20 cans worth of sweeteners daily for a while for it to kill you. Most of the research with scholarly/peer reviewed studies I've read don't point to much harm. And sweeteners have been studied to death. (Save for one research team who published those fateful studies on rats which seems to be the only study anyone remembers).
  • TimothyFish
    TimothyFish Posts: 4,925 Member
    In general, no it isn't possible. For an individual, something in their head might cause artificial sweeteners to make it harder. There's nothing about age that makes weight loss harder.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,230 Member
    Aarjono wrote: »
    Artificial sweeteners play havoc with your body and can cause weight gain. There is science to back it up.

    http://www.haadi.ir/Upload/Image/2016/09/Orginal/57265ef1_a01d_4526_b45e_bab3d34c2c8b.pdf

    The article seemed to me to be concluding that artificial sweeteners can cause people to falsely believe they can Over eat on other foods and their taste buds continue to prefer sweet foods thus they continue to eat other high calorie sweet foods and do not lose weight.
    Indirect behavioural effects, not physical effects in themselves.

    Which I agree could happen - although if one is calorie counting, one can see that and keep the calories within limits by portion control
    Or one can choose not to use artificial sweeteners if this craving effect happens to them.

    However that doesnt negate the fact that zero calories cannot cause weight gain or that most people do not have such cravings and therefore this is irrelevant to them.

    Certainly had no such effect on me.
  • missh1967
    missh1967 Posts: 661 Member
    edited April 2017
    paperpudding wrote: »
    The article seemed to me to be concluding that artificial sweeteners can cause people to falsely believe they can Over eat on other foods

    Called the "Halo effect." Same concept with the lowfat way of eating that began in the 80s. People mistakenly thought they could eat as much as they wanted because they were eating lowfat or nonfat foods.

    http://www.empowher.com/diet-amp-nutrition/content/halo-effect-food

  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    Diet coke is a favourite in ana circles because the bubbles help fill you for around 2 calories.

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