Today's news on Diet Soda/Pop
geneticsteacher
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Here is the study:
stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/04/20/STROKEAHA.116.016027
"I was surprised that sugary beverage intake was not associated with either the risks of stroke or dementia because sugary beverages are known to be unhealthy," Pase, of the Boston University School of Medicine, told CNN.
"Our observation that artificially sweetened, but not sugar-sweetened, soft drink consumption was associated with an increased risk of stroke and dementia is intriguing," according to the study. "Like sugar-sweetened soft drinks, artificially sweetened soft drinks are associated with risk factors for stroke and dementia, although the mechanisms are incompletely understood, and inconsistent findings have been reported," it adds. (emphasis mine)
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One doctor discussed a theory of his regarding the study, though acknowledging it's unproven.
"When the authors controlled for hypertension and diabetes and obesity the effects diminish, which implies that some of the effects of artificially sweetened beverages could still be going through a vascular pathway," Dr. Ralph Sacco of the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, who wrote an editorial that was published with the study, told :CNN. (emphasis mine)
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Personal observations regarding the study:
1. Based on self-reporting of diet.
2. May show correlation, but does not show causation.
I feel safe in continuing to drink my Diet Pepsi.
stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/04/20/STROKEAHA.116.016027
"I was surprised that sugary beverage intake was not associated with either the risks of stroke or dementia because sugary beverages are known to be unhealthy," Pase, of the Boston University School of Medicine, told CNN.
"Our observation that artificially sweetened, but not sugar-sweetened, soft drink consumption was associated with an increased risk of stroke and dementia is intriguing," according to the study. "Like sugar-sweetened soft drinks, artificially sweetened soft drinks are associated with risk factors for stroke and dementia, although the mechanisms are incompletely understood, and inconsistent findings have been reported," it adds. (emphasis mine)
AND
One doctor discussed a theory of his regarding the study, though acknowledging it's unproven.
"When the authors controlled for hypertension and diabetes and obesity the effects diminish, which implies that some of the effects of artificially sweetened beverages could still be going through a vascular pathway," Dr. Ralph Sacco of the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine, who wrote an editorial that was published with the study, told :CNN. (emphasis mine)
AND
Personal observations regarding the study:
1. Based on self-reporting of diet.
2. May show correlation, but does not show causation.
I feel safe in continuing to drink my Diet Pepsi.
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I heard this on the radio this morning. It's "associated with, but not linked to, dementia"? I think I'll risk it. Sounds like aspertame in rats to me.
As I sip from the diet coke currently sitting on my desk.
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All those reports that say diet drinks cause weight gain - I'll never understand that. I incorporate some artificially sweetened beverages into my weekly diet and have never craved more sweets, ate more than I planned or felt any different than if I drank a plain glass of water...1
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Diet drinks and an entire laundry list of other unhealthy conditions may increase dementia risk. I don't feel the need to drink them and I am in the normal category for the other risk factors so I guess my lifestyle puts me in the average risk of dementia category. I feel so relieved now2
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I feel bad for all those diabetics then...cause next thing it will be diabetes associated to dementia...2
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http://www.alzheimers.net/2015-10-14/how-alzheimers-could-be-type-2-diabetes/I feel bad for all those diabetics then...cause next thing it will be diabetes associated to dementia...
Never thought of that, but the rise in T2 diabetes could correlate to the rise in dementia, no?1 -
If this is true, I'm screwed.0
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http://www.alzheimers.net/2015-10-14/how-alzheimers-could-be-type-2-diabetes/I feel bad for all those diabetics then...cause next thing it will be diabetes associated to dementia...
actually talking about type 1 as my brother has that one...since he was 5...he has drank nothing but diet soda all his life with the exception of course with juice etc....
but if he has soda it's diet...he's in his 50's he seems fine but I will keep an eye on him now....*rolls eyes*3 -
More scaremongering from somebody with an agenda.2
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I will admit I didn't read the entire study, I glanced at it, but this stuck out;
"When examining cumulative beverage consumption, daily
intake of artificially sweetened soft drink was associated with
an increased risk of both all-cause dementia and AD dementia
in Models 1 and 2 (Table 3; Table II in the online-only Data
Supplement). However, such associations were no longer significant
after adjustment for the covariates outlined in Model
3. With respect to recent beverage intake, daily intake of artificially
sweetened beverages was associated with an increased
risk of dementia in Model 2 only. Neither total sugary beverages
nor sugar-sweetened soft drink was associated with the
risks of dementia."
Emphasis mine bolded.10 -
I saw this today and had many questions about the overall health of the subjects. Also the cohort numbers were very small to draw such broad conclusions. I don't think I'll be putting down the coke zero anytime soon. I think like anything moderation is the key1
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I'm glad I quit the stuff years ago. Not sure whether this study is valid or not, but it's an expensive habit and made me burp.
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Out of curiosity, what were Model 2 and 3? Feeling too lazy to read through the study.
I'm going to go pour a diet soda, I don't feel at risk.2 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »
http://www.alzheimers.net/2015-10-14/how-alzheimers-could-be-type-2-diabetes/I feel bad for all those diabetics then...cause next thing it will be diabetes associated to dementia...
Never thought of that, but the rise in T2 diabetes could correlate to the rise in dementia, no?
Both correlate to a lack of exercise. Which may well explain why diet sodas seem to correlate but not sugar sweetened ones. People may be using the fact that they are drinking fewer calories as a reason not to exercise.4 -
I figure we all have to die of something, right? Do I want diabetes or dementia? NO. But am I going to be fearful of every single diet soda I drink thinking it's going to cause me to develop those diseases? No. Everything in moderation.1
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The Washington Post reported this too "HIGHER RISK OF DEMENTIA/STROKE ZOMGZ" and then proceeded to stay it was barely a 2% percent increase and the study referenced could only demonstrate correlation. My eyes rolled so violently I almost passed out. Seriously, anything to get a click....
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As you said, OP; correlation =\= causation. Imma go get me a Pepsi max 1
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This year's "cured meat is evil" crap media reporting of findings? Well blow me.3
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quiksylver296 wrote: »
http://www.alzheimers.net/2015-10-14/how-alzheimers-could-be-type-2-diabetes/I feel bad for all those diabetics then...cause next thing it will be diabetes associated to dementia...
Never thought of that, but the rise in T2 diabetes could correlate to the rise in dementia, no?
I haven't read the link - but, yes,seems very plausible to me that rise in type2 diabetes could correlate to rise in dementia. Not so much Alzheimer's disease but multi vascular dementia - ie from strokes or transischaemic attacks ('mini strokes') as diabetes is well known to have increased cardiovascular risks.
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SiegfriedXXL wrote: »The Washington Post reported this too "HIGHER RISK OF DEMENTIA/STROKE ZOMGZ" and then proceeded to stay it was barely a 2% percent increase and the study referenced could only demonstrate correlation. My eyes rolled so violently I almost passed out. Seriously, anything to get a click....
I thought it was 2.6 times more likely to get it, not a 2% increase.0 -
So I just read the full text of the study (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4498394/). This is from the conclusion, "We observed a striking, positive dose-response relationship between increasing diet soda intake and escalating abdominal obesity, which represents a potential pathway for future heightened cardiometabolic risk in this vulnerable population". Basically saying drinking diet drinks are associated with abdominal obesity and abdominal obesity is a risk factor for many things, strokes included. As others pointed out drinking diet drinks correlates with obesity and stroke but does not necessarily cause those things. On average do people who drink diet drinks also consume more/burn less calories per day than those who do not drink diet drinks? If so is the diet drink causing the problem or the calorie disparity? Show me a study that tracks normal weight for height individuals that drink diet drinks compared to normal weight for height individuals who do not drink them. That would do more to convince me that diet drinks might be unsafe.5
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Forget today's "march for science" political protests. I'd march if it meant no more junk sensationalism in science reporting. And a major cleanup of science publishing.3
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indigoblue9572 wrote: »All those reports that say diet drinks cause weight gain - I'll never understand that. I incorporate some artificially sweetened beverages into my weekly diet and have never craved more sweets, ate more than I planned or felt any different than if I drank a plain glass of water...
Isn't it generally because you eat more actual food because you think 'oh I've had a diet drink'?
At the end of the day, everything increases the risk of something. Being alive increases your chance of death 100%. I have two terminally ill parents on both ends of the spectrum, my father never took care of his diabetes, probably because he had really early onset dementia (vascular, brought on by diabetes) and is in kidney failure and my mum who has Stage 4 breast cancer and is the healthiest of all of us. So you're damned if you do, damned if you don't in my book so while I don't go out of my way to drink diet drinks but I won't say no if it's offered to me and I want it.
And in regards to even with my dad's case of type 2 and dementia, he was never a diet soda drinker. He has always been a coffee drinker.0
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