"Cheat" items
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I believe they are arguing that even if it fits within your calories and macros, you should also consider whether or not you have met your fiber goals for the day before choosing to eat something.
To me, this seems unnecessarily limited. It's important to regularly get enough fiber, but I don't think being under fiber in any one particular day is going to harm someone. I'm not sure why this person is singling out fiber instead of, say, calcium, iron, vitamin A, or any of the other micronutrients one can track on MFP.
I agree if this happens every once in a while it will not matter but if you are doing it on a daily basis then it will, in my opinion, make a difference. I picked fiber because most of us take a multiviamin that takes care of a lot of those micro-nutrients and if you are getting in enough fiber you have to be eating nutrient dense foods by default.
OP shared, in the very first post, that she isn't doing this daily. So I'm not sure why you felt the need to call out fiber to her.
I'm not sure that "most of us" do take a multivitamin. What is your source for that information? This survey would indicate that only 50% of Americans take any sort of supplementation. http://www.gallup.com/poll/166541/half-americans-vitamins-regularly.aspx Since some of those people are surely taking something besides multivitamins, I'm curious how you drew your conclusion that most people are taking one. If you focus on the world instead of American, I'm guessing it would be even lower than 50% taking any sort of supplement.
Ok, first off, I was not calling her out. I was simply responding to her comment with my opinion. Second, my assumption was based on people who look to live a healthy lifestyle (like most people using MFP and are on these boards). If you look at most americans, they are not tracking anything, they are not going to the gym, they are not on message boards trying to get advice, so I do not believe people on these forum are like the average american.
I wasn't arguing that you were calling OP out, I was wondering why you felt the need to give her a recommendation about fiber, to call out fiber to her. She was up-front that she wasn't doing this daily and you said above that it will matter if one is doing this on a daily basis. She clearly isn't. So I'm not sure what prompted you to tell her to only choose lower fiber foods if she had met her fiber goal for the day.
When it comes to the vitamin issue, I think I understand: your argument is that most people here on MFP would take a multivitamin because they are looking to live a healthy lifestyle. I'm not even sure that is accurate, given the recent publicity given to the ineffectiveness (or even potential harm) of multivitamins. It is *because* I have researched and am interested in my health that I don't take a multivitamin.
It's your guess that most people here do, but I don't think we have enough information to assume that.
If the people here are like the average American, most likely aren't taking a multi. If they aren't like the average American, it still doesn't follow that most people would. Some people here are focusing on using food to meet their nutritional needs. Some people aren't here for health, they're here to meet other goals.
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I believe they are arguing that even if it fits within your calories and macros, you should also consider whether or not you have met your fiber goals for the day before choosing to eat something.
To me, this seems unnecessarily limited. It's important to regularly get enough fiber, but I don't think being under fiber in any one particular day is going to harm someone. I'm not sure why this person is singling out fiber instead of, say, calcium, iron, vitamin A, or any of the other micronutrients one can track on MFP.
I agree if this happens every once in a while it will not matter but if you are doing it on a daily basis then it will, in my opinion, make a difference. I picked fiber because most of us take a multiviamin that takes care of a lot of those micro-nutrients and if you are getting in enough fiber you have to be eating nutrient dense foods by default.
OP shared, in the very first post, that she isn't doing this daily. So I'm not sure why you felt the need to call out fiber to her.
I'm not sure that "most of us" do take a multivitamin. What is your source for that information? This survey would indicate that only 50% of Americans take any sort of supplementation. http://www.gallup.com/poll/166541/half-americans-vitamins-regularly.aspx Since some of those people are surely taking something besides multivitamins, I'm curious how you drew your conclusion that most people are taking one. If you focus on the world instead of American, I'm guessing it would be even lower than 50% taking any sort of supplement.
Ok, first off, I was not calling her out. I was simply responding to her comment with my opinion. Second, my assumption was based on people who look to live a healthy lifestyle (like most people using MFP and are on these boards). If you look at most americans, they are not tracking anything, they are not going to the gym, they are not on message boards trying to get advice, so I do not believe people on these forum are like the average american.
So anyway, before this turns into an argument, y the tip about fiber, while true, has nothing to do with what I was asking. I'm not sure if you misunderstood the question, but it was more about how to define a cheat. It was not about what a cheat should be composed of when to cheat1 -
No arguments, my apologies OP, I think I did misunderstand what you were asking. To try to answer, I think if its fits your macro goals and you are still in a deficit, then I would not be too concerned with it.0
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I prefer not to define any food as a 'cheat' - it is simply food that the body will use as energy to accomplish the next thing on the list of things that needs to be handled. For example, yesterday's lunch was pepperoni slices and some blueberries that I ate because I was afraid they were about to go bad. Was either of those a 'cheat'? Nope, they were protein, fat, a little sugar and micro-nutrients that my body used to keep me going thru the afternoon.0
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If eating those things because I have calories left is considered cheating....I cheat on the daily!! I'm going to add you as a friend though. Seriously...every time I see your before and after photo I am blown away!1
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Nope. Sure I may not feel as good if i eat 300 calories of sugary dessert vs a 300 slice of sourdough bread with butter, but if it fits in my calories it's all good. I guess it's a treat, but not a cheat.0
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I've cheated my way to losing 75lbs. I'm the biggest cheater EVAH.5
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »I've cheated my way to losing 75lbs. I'm the biggest cheater EVAH.
You cannot be the biggest cheater because I am...... Great work!0 -
I like the distinction between a treat and cheat from @katadx. Using those words, I would define a treat is a goodie that fits your cals/macros. A cheat is when you go beyond your cals/macros and you do not log, or you only log for informational purposes only.
So IIFYM, it's a treat because you ate well enough otherwise to fit it in. It's a cheat when you are just eating because you want it, calories and macros be damned.0 -
I ate a croissant sandwich and it was 300 calories. As long as you are under there should be no problem.0
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