calorie counting or Weight watchers.

enterdanger

Thanks for explaining @seantnash. hehe. I'd drink more beer on there then. But, that does seem counter intuitive.

mfpanyko

I think that is because of the food labeling limitations. I am betting that in 2018 when added sugar is a label requirement, this penalty will drop. And many foods went down in points. I found that if I ate the same way I had been eating on Points Plus, it fit right into my Smart Points allowance.
I am not crazy about the sugar penalty, but all current research is pointing to the detriment of added sugar

mfpanyko

I hate to disappoint you both, but a pint of lager is 7 and a pint of fat free milk is 6... 12oz of lager (default serving size) is 5.
Not to say it isn't worth it.,

cheryldumais

Also on WW I believe fruit and vegetables are unlimited and zero points. This can create a problem if you eat alot of them.

seantnash

mfpanyko wrote: »

I hate to disappoint you both, but a pint of lager is 7 and a pint of fat free milk is 6... 12oz of lager (default serving size) is 5.
Not to say it isn't worth it.,

Think it depends what brand of lager you look up. Or maybe they've slightly modified it since it was first launched. But I know it definitely used to be less for lager. But even so, just 1 SmartPoint difference between the two is pretty crazy.

kshama2001

I did WW back in the 90s and think it provided a valuable service before free programs like MFP were available. I'd still recommend WW for people who would benefit from the camaraderie and accountability of weekly meetings, but wouldn't get sabotaged by the trap of unlimited bananas.