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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »acorsaut89 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Why is fat from from beef and lamb okay but not other fats? Animal fats have a large fat profile, so I don't see how more "simple" fats would be a problem.
You also appear to be putting up barriers. The linked recipe is just a starting point and you could go to the brilliant websites listed for more creative options, there will be many of you just look.
This was my thought too.
Also - this is going to sound very bold, but if you have such large diet restrictions (and I don't know why or what will happen if you go outside of these foods) how did the weight gain happen? This diet you listed is SUPER restricted and if you're following it it would be easy to stay within normal caloric limits . . .
Thanks for your reply as I replied to original person who asked question re simple fats, I wont go into that part here but, in reply to your question how come I got so fat on such a restrictive diet? A far question and completely ok to ask bold questions as you call it.
I didnt get fat eating the restrictive diet, I got fat for many complex reasons, the restrictions are due to digestive issues connected with Mast Cell Activation Disorder, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, latex allergy, histamine reactions, salicyates intolerances, plus a few more like nightshades so, I have had to get strict with myself and cross reference recommended healthy diet then cross off any foods that come under my intolerances/allergy list to give me a base line. I am hoping by being super strict, giving my body a chance to heal, in time I may successfully increase foods I cant tolerate now and tolerate them later when the gut has had a chance to heal. If not, then not ideal but, at least I tried and cant see me able to gain on that limited list Trying to get well not just lose weight, if that makes sense
God bless you
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Can you not ask the clinician in charge of your medical care for a referral to a dietician?1 -
JoJosAnatomymfp wrote: »BBC food foods website is a great website for recipes. Hope this helps.
Thanks for your reply
will try them for ideas imagination I think is needed
God bless you
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From your original list of "can eats"--
What comes to mind for me is perhaps some kind of veggie casserole that might have a similar flavor profile as lasagna or enchiladas.
I make noodle-free lasagna/enchilada dish by cutting squash into long thin planks and using them as the "noodles". I then add additional layers of veggies (I use mushrooms, eggplant and spinach.) From your list, I might include a layer of the collards or chard or turnip greens, and a layer of sweet potato. For protein, a layer of browned ground beef or lamb might be good.Bake uncovered in a casserole dish until the veggies give up their juice (it could date upwards of 2 hours on medium heat).
I make it "lasagna" style by adding marinara sauce, and "enchilada" style by adding enchilada sauce, but if you need to avoid tomato products, maybe just a little olive oil with some nice italian herbs like oregano and basil? If If tomatoes are out, perhaps a little olive oil with some nice italian herbs like oregano and basil?
I might also try shepherd's pie with ground lamb and kale filling, and then mashed sweet potatoes on the top. Sweet potatoes and lamb together are the bomb!
You didn't mention it, but can you eat soy products (e.g., tofu or tempeh?) Those might give you some different flavor profiles since they can absorb the tastes of savory spices and seasonings.
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »What herbs and spices can u eat? They can totally change the flavor profile of the same ingredients.
Thank you for your reply, at this time only seasoning is sea salt, all others are banned, so will be looking forward to adding some in a few months time :-) totally agree changes the flavour
Present this "diet" you came up with to your doctor(s) (and/or referred dietician) and get an approval.
Seems to me if you are removing things and adding others based on web suggestions and nonscientific reasons, For instance you said sea salt is ok, but that is really no different than normal salt, because the trace minerals are just that, so little trace amounts your body wont even notice them- thats why the bad stuff in trace amounts dont bother a person either.
By eating only a few meats and a handful of greens (some you are not even certain of!) you are likely to end up with nutritional deficiencies that will not make you healthy.
The internet is no substitute for a medical professional.
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rosebarnalice wrote: »From your original list of "can eats"--
What comes to mind for me is perhaps some kind of veggie casserole that might have a similar flavor profile as lasagna or enchiladas.
I make noodle-free lasagna/enchilada dish by cutting squash into long thin planks and using them as the "noodles". I then add additional layers of veggies (I use mushrooms, eggplant and spinach.) From your list, I might include a layer of the collards or chard or turnip greens, and a layer of sweet potato. For protein, a layer of browned ground beef or lamb might be good.Bake uncovered in a casserole dish until the veggies give up their juice (it could date upwards of 2 hours on medium heat).
I make it "lasagna" style by adding marinara sauce, and "enchilada" style by adding enchilada sauce, but if you need to avoid tomato products, maybe just a little olive oil with some nice italian herbs like oregano and basil? If If tomatoes are out, perhaps a little olive oil with some nice italian herbs like oregano and basil?
I might also try shepherd's pie with ground lamb and kale filling, and then mashed sweet potatoes on the top. Sweet potatoes and lamb together are the bomb!
You didn't mention it, but can you eat soy products (e.g., tofu or tempeh?) Those might give you some different flavor profiles since they can absorb the tastes of savory spices and seasonings.
Best of luck!
Thank you for your reply.
I cant do long cooked foods as that often leads to histamine issues so sadly I cant really at best do the shepherd pie by fast frying the mince with some say chard and radicchio using broth for sauce with arrowroot to thicken (the list is getting smaller due to reactions this week) boiling and mashing the say butternut squash with dripping and putting together on dish
No herbs, spices, soya, nightshades
New list is now below
MY ADAPTED AIP/LOW FODMAP/HISTAMINE FREE FOOD LIST
FERMENTS = WATER KEFIR ONLY
VEGETABLES
Chard Dandelion Greens
Iceberg Lettuce Radicchio
Pumpkins Squash
Swiss Chard Yams
FRUITS
Plantains
MEATS/FISH
BEEF BISON
BUFFALO LAMB
VENISON WHITE FISH
OFFAL
BONE BROTH LIVER
KIDNEYS HEARTS
SEASONING
SALT
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ConnieT1030 wrote: »VictoriousBeauty wrote: »What herbs and spices can u eat? They can totally change the flavor profile of the same ingredients.
Thank you for your reply, at this time only seasoning is sea salt, all others are banned, so will be looking forward to adding some in a few months time :-) totally agree changes the flavour
Present this "diet" you came up with to your doctor(s) (and/or referred dietician) and get an approval.
Seems to me if you are removing things and adding others based on web suggestions and nonscientific reasons, For instance you said sea salt is ok, but that is really no different than normal salt, because the trace minerals are just that, so little trace amounts your body wont even notice them- thats why the bad stuff in trace amounts dont bother a person either.
By eating only a few meats and a handful of greens (some you are not even certain of!) you are likely to end up with nutritional deficiencies that will not make you healthy.
The internet is no substitute for a medical professional.
Thank you for your reply
Oh believe me I have run this by my GP, and she is supportive of what I am doing as she faces my reactions regularly so, we know I cant eat nightshades, grains, nuts, seeds, dairy, eggs, latex related foods like bananas, citrus fruits, and much much more. I have been referred to yet another dietitian however, one can only hope this one doesnt throw her hands up in the air saying on the second appointment she doesnt know what to suggest Most of clueless of how to treat Mast Cell Activation Disease and gut issues with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome hence me having to do it myself, and the diet I am following has science behind it thankfully its backed up,
I am getting iller trying to eat a more varied diet than this hence the changes before as my specialist says I am only able to tolerate water!
This is not a long term plan, this is an elimination diet, this plan hopefully will alllow the body to lower its histamine reaction, inflammation in the body etc in a few months and then one by one I shall try a new food, hoping for two foods a week but, if I react then have to wait for reaction to settle fully before next food tried as dont want to mistake reactions for unsettled previous reaction. I want and need a varied as possible diet despite my gut issues. I am being supplemented so no risk of being deficient thank God, I have a very good GP who tests my vitamin levels regularly to ensure if something is not being absorbed she can adapt supplement recommendation.
This is being monitored, it is scientifically based, it is to get healthier with the aim of as full a diet as possible in time but, it is going to take years obviously adding back one food at a time! Hopefully it will pay off in the end all the hard work but, there is no other option as I just tried months on medication to prevent the symptoms however, symptoms are still there and at times the reactions are mild, other times they are volatile and I barely make it to the bathroom
thank you for such concern its lovely someone cares enough to check I am being supported and health monitored while on such a strict plan
God bless you
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MY ADAPTED AIP/LOW FODMAP/HISTAMINE FREE FOOD LIST
FERMENTS = WATER KEFIR ONLY
A. VEGETABLES
Chard
Dandelion
Greens
Iceberg Lettuce
Radicchio
Pumpkins
Squash
Swiss Chard
Yams
B. FRUITS
Plantains
C. MEAT/FISH
Fish
Beef
Bison
Buffalo
Lamb
Venison
White fish
Liver
Kidneys
Hearts
Bone Broth
Salt
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You have put together a good list.
For a meal, you can put something from list A with something from list C
Or do two things from list A with one thing from list C.
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MY ADAPTED AIP/LOW FODMAP/HISTAMINE FREE FOOD LIST
FERMENTS = WATER KEFIR ONLY
A. VEGETABLES
Chard
Dandelion
Greens
Iceberg Lettuce
Radicchio
Pumpkins
Squash
Swiss Chard
Yams
B. FRUITS
Plantains
C. MEAT/FISH
Fish
Beef
Bison
Buffalo
Lamb
Venison
White fish
Liver
Kidneys
Hearts
Bone Broth
Salt
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You have put together a good list.
For a meal, you can put something from list A with something from list C
Or do two things from list A with one thing from list C.
Thank you for your reply! I am beginning to get my head around it all, slowly, just next challenge is plan ahead, as one of my carers is off on annual leave leaving me with two days not covered due to inability for other carer to cover the days, and agency hopeless at turning up! Think that will be a matter of liver stew, and venison stew of sorts to make sure I cope, planning is key!
God bless you
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Good to hear that you are starting to see how this can work.
Liver stew and venison stew will be good. 0 -
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