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YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »Like Doctor Oz, the man is simply out to make a name for himself and to put money in the bank. Sorry, but no way would I just believe what he has said. Where is the scientific proof? Oh right, he has none because his claims can't be backed by science.
Yep, this. I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet based on actual, legitimate research/studies. I'd never count McDougall/Furhman/Esselstyn etc as legitimate resources though, because of what others have pointed out-they're trying to make a buck by preying on people's fears and desperation. Nothing wrong with a plant based diet if it's done right (one that's balanced and nutrient dense), but I'd steer clear of any guru who claims any certain way of eating is a 'miracle' and is making money off of those claims.
Op, if you're feeling led to become a vegan I'd highly recommend reading from Virginia Messina. She's a dietician who's a vegan and approaches veganism much differently than McDougall. She has a new book out that addresses health and veganism, Even Vegans Die. Her website has lots of great info as well http://www.theveganrd.com/
I don't know about the other guys, but Furham is good. He has a family practice and has no problem medicating his patients if they need it. He just advocated a plant based diet. I've used his cook books and I can tell you, they are very balanced, and nutrient dense.
He claims that his woe reverses diabetes, 'detoxes' the body etc etc. From his site-Harness your body’s tremendous power to heal itself through proper nutrition
You don’t have to live with a debilitating, chronic disease—the Nutritarian diet allows you to take control of your health destiny through superior nutrition
More claims of 'miracles'. He also sells everything from supplements to salad dressings, and retreats where all your problems will be fixed, for a price
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I have RA and a few other health issues and for me weight lifting and regular exercise helps with my RA and the inflammation I havent needed meds yet. I eat low fat due to another health issue so that may help too I dont know. I do know I eat a lot of carbs and that hasnt caused me any inflammation issues. Im not saying to do what I do but weight lifting has been proven to help those with RA have less inflammation and more mobility.
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crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »Like Doctor Oz, the man is simply out to make a name for himself and to put money in the bank. Sorry, but no way would I just believe what he has said. Where is the scientific proof? Oh right, he has none because his claims can't be backed by science.
Yep, this. I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet based on actual, legitimate research/studies. I'd never count McDougall/Furhman/Esselstyn etc as legitimate resources though, because of what others have pointed out-they're trying to make a buck by preying on people's fears and desperation. Nothing wrong with a plant based diet if it's done right (one that's balanced and nutrient dense), but I'd steer clear of any guru who claims any certain way of eating is a 'miracle' and is making money off of those claims.
Op, if you're feeling led to become a vegan I'd highly recommend reading from Virginia Messina. She's a dietician who's a vegan and approaches veganism much differently than McDougall. She has a new book out that addresses health and veganism, Even Vegans Die. Her website has lots of great info as well http://www.theveganrd.com/
I don't know about the other guys, but Furham is good. He has a family practice and has no problem medicating his patients if they need it. He just advocated a plant based diet. I've used his cook books and I can tell you, they are very balanced, and nutrient dense.
He claims that his woe reverses diabetes, 'detoxes' the body etc etc. More claims of 'miracles'.
Losing weight can help reverse diabetes. That's not a lie. That's one of his main goals...to help people lose weight and get healthy. I mean, he is a medical doctor who is himself, a vegan. I'm just telling you, from the books of his that I have read, I never saw claims that were so outlandish I though, "wow, what a quack". Now...if he said he could cure cancer and such diseases, yeah, that would qualify. Besides, I take it for what it is. It's about the quality of a vegan diet. Period...and that's where I leave it.0 -
crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »Like Doctor Oz, the man is simply out to make a name for himself and to put money in the bank. Sorry, but no way would I just believe what he has said. Where is the scientific proof? Oh right, he has none because his claims can't be backed by science.
Yep, this. I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet based on actual, legitimate research/studies. I'd never count McDougall/Furhman/Esselstyn etc as legitimate resources though, because of what others have pointed out-they're trying to make a buck by preying on people's fears and desperation. Nothing wrong with a plant based diet if it's done right (one that's balanced and nutrient dense), but I'd steer clear of any guru who claims any certain way of eating is a 'miracle' and is making money off of those claims.
Op, if you're feeling led to become a vegan I'd highly recommend reading from Virginia Messina. She's a dietician who's a vegan and approaches veganism much differently than McDougall. She has a new book out that addresses health and veganism, Even Vegans Die. Her website has lots of great info as well http://www.theveganrd.com/
I don't know about the other guys, but Furham is good. He has a family practice and has no problem medicating his patients if they need it. He just advocated a plant based diet. I've used his cook books and I can tell you, they are very balanced, and nutrient dense.
He claims that his woe reverses diabetes, 'detoxes' the body etc etc. From his site-Harness your body’s tremendous power to heal itself through proper nutrition
You don’t have to live with a debilitating, chronic disease—the Nutritarian diet allows you to take control of your health destiny through superior nutrition
More claims of 'miracles'. He also sells everything from supplements to salad dressings, and retreats where all your problems will be fixed, for a price
I know. I've actually bought his probiotics and salad dressings. So tasty. One is a tuscano herb. I highly recommend it.
Look, I'm not here to get into a pissing match over a vegan doctor. I think he has valid points about feeling better on a nutritious diet as opposed to a *kitten* diet. I think his cook books are excellent for balanced nutrient dense food. And I take it for what it is. A well thought out, well explained vegan diet.0 -
YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »Like Doctor Oz, the man is simply out to make a name for himself and to put money in the bank. Sorry, but no way would I just believe what he has said. Where is the scientific proof? Oh right, he has none because his claims can't be backed by science.
Yep, this. I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet based on actual, legitimate research/studies. I'd never count McDougall/Furhman/Esselstyn etc as legitimate resources though, because of what others have pointed out-they're trying to make a buck by preying on people's fears and desperation. Nothing wrong with a plant based diet if it's done right (one that's balanced and nutrient dense), but I'd steer clear of any guru who claims any certain way of eating is a 'miracle' and is making money off of those claims.
Op, if you're feeling led to become a vegan I'd highly recommend reading from Virginia Messina. She's a dietician who's a vegan and approaches veganism much differently than McDougall. She has a new book out that addresses health and veganism, Even Vegans Die. Her website has lots of great info as well http://www.theveganrd.com/
I don't know about the other guys, but Furham is good. He has a family practice and has no problem medicating his patients if they need it. He just advocated a plant based diet. I've used his cook books and I can tell you, they are very balanced, and nutrient dense.
He claims that his woe reverses diabetes, 'detoxes' the body etc etc. From his site-Harness your body’s tremendous power to heal itself through proper nutrition
You don’t have to live with a debilitating, chronic disease—the Nutritarian diet allows you to take control of your health destiny through superior nutrition
More claims of 'miracles'. He also sells everything from supplements to salad dressings, and retreats where all your problems will be fixed, for a price
I know. I've actually bought his probiotics and salad dressings. So tasty. One is a tuscano herb. I highly recommend it.
Look, I'm not here to get into a pissing match over a vegan doctor. I think he has valid points about feeling better on a nutritious diet as opposed to a *kitten* diet. I think his cook books are excellent for balanced nutrient dense food. And I take it for what it is. A well thought out, well explained vegan diet.
I used to respect him more before he became so commercialized, (I've read his older books/hung out quite a bit on his old website/blog). It seems though that he's now just like all the other diet gurus out there-selling a woe as the One True Way. That's why I like Messina so much-she's a vegan dietician and doesn't promote veganisim as the cure all, but as a legitimate woe that has it's pluses and negatives.
eta: sorry my previous posts have come off as a bit 'cranky'-I'm dealing with shingles right now and I'm not in a good mood
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crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »YvetteK2015 wrote: »crazyycatladyy1 wrote: »Like Doctor Oz, the man is simply out to make a name for himself and to put money in the bank. Sorry, but no way would I just believe what he has said. Where is the scientific proof? Oh right, he has none because his claims can't be backed by science.
Yep, this. I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet based on actual, legitimate research/studies. I'd never count McDougall/Furhman/Esselstyn etc as legitimate resources though, because of what others have pointed out-they're trying to make a buck by preying on people's fears and desperation. Nothing wrong with a plant based diet if it's done right (one that's balanced and nutrient dense), but I'd steer clear of any guru who claims any certain way of eating is a 'miracle' and is making money off of those claims.
Op, if you're feeling led to become a vegan I'd highly recommend reading from Virginia Messina. She's a dietician who's a vegan and approaches veganism much differently than McDougall. She has a new book out that addresses health and veganism, Even Vegans Die. Her website has lots of great info as well http://www.theveganrd.com/
I don't know about the other guys, but Furham is good. He has a family practice and has no problem medicating his patients if they need it. He just advocated a plant based diet. I've used his cook books and I can tell you, they are very balanced, and nutrient dense.
He claims that his woe reverses diabetes, 'detoxes' the body etc etc. From his site-Harness your body’s tremendous power to heal itself through proper nutrition
You don’t have to live with a debilitating, chronic disease—the Nutritarian diet allows you to take control of your health destiny through superior nutrition
More claims of 'miracles'. He also sells everything from supplements to salad dressings, and retreats where all your problems will be fixed, for a price
I know. I've actually bought his probiotics and salad dressings. So tasty. One is a tuscano herb. I highly recommend it.
Look, I'm not here to get into a pissing match over a vegan doctor. I think he has valid points about feeling better on a nutritious diet as opposed to a *kitten* diet. I think his cook books are excellent for balanced nutrient dense food. And I take it for what it is. A well thought out, well explained vegan diet.
I used to respect him more before he became so commercialized, (I've read his older books/hung out quite a bit on his old website/blog). It seems though that he's now just like all the other diet gurus out there-selling a woe as the One True Way. That's why I like Messina so much-she's a vegan dietician and doesn't promote veganisim as the cure all, but as a legitimate woe that has it's pluses and negatives.
eta: sorry my previous posts have come off as a bit 'cranky'-I'm dealing with shingles right now and I'm not in a good mood
I do agree that he is a "one true way" advocate. Like I said, I'm a meat eater, so I obviously don't subscribe to everything he says, but I do use his books for nutritional information, and for cooking awesome vegan dishes. I've never been one to look for cures in food, but it wasn't until I read his book that I really became aware of *nutrition*. For example, I would go into the supermarket and look at items and say "so what nutritional value am I getting from this". So I can say that his book helped me learn how to eat *better* than I was before.1 -
And so sorry about the shingles. I've never had chicken pox, so I'll never get that. But I've seen people with it, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I hope you feel better soon.1
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YvetteK2015 wrote: »And so sorry about the shingles. I've never had chicken pox, so I'll never get that. But I've seen people with it, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I hope you feel better soon.
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better than 99.9% of the diets out there - especially the idiotic LCHF diets ..
Seriously? So many people have found success in low carb and keto has been used for decades to treat seizures in children. There are plenty of scientific studies showing the benefits of a low-carb diet for people suffering from diabetes, PCOS, seizures...
It's fine if you want to try a different style of eating but there's no reason to insult people who choose a different and HEALTHY alternative.
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callsitlikeiseeit ... I'm not in it for weight loss. I don't need to lose weight. I have an autoimmune disease called psoriasis and I want to get rid of it before it does more damage to my system. Unforunately, there is no formal cure for it and it is considered 'incurable,' which I don't buy. What I do buy is that the cure really is the food we eat. Now, we can discuss which food is the biggest culprit ... McDougall claims it is meat and dairy. I've been wanting to go vegan for a while, so that really is not an issue for me ... I do however have a bit of an issue with him being against vegetable oils. I was wondering if I could get in touch with anyone that has tried the diet and discuss with them the pros and the cons.
I've had psoriasis my whole life. My brother, aunt, and grandmother too. My mom has psoriatic arthritis. It usually runs in a family. My dad doesn't have it, but his uncle did.
A diet is not going to do anything unless food is a trigger, and it would be specific foods, not a random diet that someone is trying to sell for profit (which is why he posts only positive reviews.)
Unless it turns into arthritis, it's not going to do a lot of damage.5 -
This. If you want to be vegan, be vegan.VintageFeline wrote: »So if you want to become a vegan why not just.......become a vegan? Why use an arbitrary set of rules that allegedly cures all sorts of ailments?
You enjoyed being vegan before, you liked how you felt and fits with your personal ethics. Nobody has an issue with that.
And what inflammation are you trying to address? Is this something you have seen your doctor about?
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VintageFeline ... I have psoriasis guttate (that's an autoimmune disease) and I've recently been having issues with specific joints where I have mild but persistent pain.
I don't go to doctors, I usually try to take care of whatever issue I have on my own and go to a doctor only if it's gotten so bad I cannot manage it on my own. Plus, most doctors do one thing and one thing only: prescribe medication.
They prescribe medication because it works. But they also prescribe diets that have actual science behind them when it's appropriate, exercise when it's appropriate and so on.
If you think it's moving into your joints you need to see a doctor so they can stop permanent damage. They also can diagnose if it's something other than psoriasis and deal with that problem.9 -
Swimming is really good too. It's my main workout.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have RA and a few other health issues and for me weight lifting and regular exercise helps with my RA and the inflammation I havent needed meds yet. I eat low fat due to another health issue so that may help too I dont know. I do know I eat a lot of carbs and that hasnt caused me any inflammation issues. Im not saying to do what I do but weight lifting has been proven to help those with RA have less inflammation and more mobility.
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Swimming is really good too. It's my main workout.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have RA and a few other health issues and for me weight lifting and regular exercise helps with my RA and the inflammation I havent needed meds yet. I eat low fat due to another health issue so that may help too I dont know. I do know I eat a lot of carbs and that hasnt caused me any inflammation issues. Im not saying to do what I do but weight lifting has been proven to help those with RA have less inflammation and more mobility.
I dont have any place where I could swim we dont have a YMCA/YWCA,we dont have a community or rec center either. unless I want to swim in the river during the summer and thats not happening.The nearest pool is at the one days in and thats 20 miles one way.The local pool is outside and you have to pay to swim and its 15 miles one way.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »
Swimming is really good too. It's my main workout.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have RA and a few other health issues and for me weight lifting and regular exercise helps with my RA and the inflammation I havent needed meds yet. I eat low fat due to another health issue so that may help too I dont know. I do know I eat a lot of carbs and that hasnt caused me any inflammation issues. Im not saying to do what I do but weight lifting has been proven to help those with RA have less inflammation and more mobility.
I dont have any place where I could swim we dont have a YMCA/YWCA,we dont have a community or rec center either. unless I want to swim in the river during the summer and thats not happening.The nearest pool is at the one days in and thats 20 miles one way.The local pool is outside and you have to pay to swim and its 15 miles one way.
I wasn't telling you that you needed to swim, just that it's good exercise for people with joint issues for the OP or others searching and finding this thread.
I'm pretty sure all the pools I have access to are 15 miles away or more, and I have to pay in some form for them too- that's to be expected. The heated pool I prefer to use is a town over.0 -
VintageFeline ... I have psoriasis guttate (that's an autoimmune disease) and I've recently been having issues with specific joints where I have mild but persistent pain.
I don't go to doctors, I usually try to take care of whatever issue I have on my own and go to a doctor only if it's gotten so bad I cannot manage it on my own. Plus, most doctors do one thing and one thing only: prescribe medication.
Then I think you need a new doctor if that's all they do. I have multiple autoimmune diseases, PCOS, and I've had part of my colon taken out. Diet does have benefits - for example, I am supposed to have a diet high in fiber to help with my colon issues. Losing weight will help keep my insulin levels in check from the PCOS, and hopefully, keep type 2 diabetes at bay. It will not stop my body from attacking my thyroid though, and my doctor and I monitor that so when the time comes I can be put on the appropriate medication.
Having been subjected to the McDougall Diet as a child when my parents went on it, I have nothing nice to say about any of it. It took me 20 years to ever look at zucchini that wasn't in bread form. As others have said if you know what you like in terms of eating habits, and it works for you, do that and don't worry about all the fad diets.5 -
I've recently started having an issue with my big toe joint, which can also be due to bad shoes and a shoulder pain that can also be due to imbalance of my spine due to my scoliosis/lordosis that I've had since I was born ... I don't really want to find out what is causing it, I just want to lower the level of inflammation (or completely eliminate it) in my body and going vegan sounds great to my animal loving ears (except the vegetable oil - what's up with the vegetable oil).
You don't want to find out what is causing your problems but you are just going to put your faith in a diet with no scientific basis????
And everyone who states there is no scientific basis to these claims is just being negative and non supportive???
That seems silly to me.
If you want to eat a vegan diet for whatever reason, do so.
But don't make silly unfounded claims that it cures MS etc and then complain when you get called out on them11 -
VintageFeline ... I have psoriasis guttate (that's an autoimmune disease) and I've recently been having issues with specific joints where I have mild but persistent pain.
I don't go to doctors, I usually try to take care of whatever issue I have on my own and go to a doctor only if it's gotten so bad I cannot manage it on my own. Plus, most doctors do one thing and one thing only: prescribe medication.
This is one thing that tends to allow autoimmune issues to progress and get worse. At best, diet along with proper treatment is the best way to address a health condition. Without treatment, my wife would have been dead. She has a form of dysautonomia (POTS). Her diet has to consist of 10,000mg a day, and should be lower in carbs (higher meats/fish), and high in potassium and magnesium. Her condition has gotten so bad (there is a wide spectrum for POTS), she has to do weekly saline infusions to maintain electrolyte levels.
If you want to switch to his diet, that is fine. There is nothing wrong it with. But please don't do yourself a disservice by limited exposing to people actually trained and educated in the field. At least have a conversation about various treatment plans and ask if it's possible to address without medication. For my wife, in the short term, that is not possible (except for currently as she is pregnant; in fact pregnant is one of the few things that improves her condition since her blood volume is doubled). But we do have goals to get my wife off meds. But that is going to take a lot.8 -
singingflutela ... Did he? The only thing I've witnessed on the videos I watched was testimonials of those that have had success with the diet. Testimonials from folks.
The thing is, I am not here to speak for him and defend his diet, but it looks super interesting for me and better than 99.9% of the diets out there - especially the idiotic LCHF diets ...
My wife has lost 100+ pounds on LCHF, her cholesterol and glucose numbers are pristine, and her ulcerative colitis is in remission. I'm not a big fan of LCHF, and in fact eat almost the opposite (low-ish fat, high-ish carb vegetarian), but her results speak for themselves.5 -
rakowskidp wrote: »singingflutela ... Did he? The only thing I've witnessed on the videos I watched was testimonials of those that have had success with the diet. Testimonials from folks.
The thing is, I am not here to speak for him and defend his diet, but it looks super interesting for me and better than 99.9% of the diets out there - especially the idiotic LCHF diets ...
My wife has lost 100+ pounds on LCHF, her cholesterol and glucose numbers are pristine, and her ulcerative colitis is in remission. I'm not a big fan of LCHF, and in fact eat almost the opposite (low-ish fat, high-ish carb vegetarian), but her results speak for themselves.
My goodness. You wouldn't be implying that different people with different health requirements and different tastes can be successful with different diets and still be healthy, would you? Coz that's just crazy talk!!!15
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