Do you feel still hungry?
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KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »I do feel hungry at times after I eat my 1K for the day but I remind myself that I have eaten my calories for the day and I need to suck it the heck up. Weight loss comes by eating way less and I can't eat every time I get the least bit peckish.
You don't have to suffer this much to lose weight. You want to eat less but not way less... You want it to be sustainable. That is a very low amount of calories.. you want to make sure you are fueling yourself adequately and receiving enough nutrients for your body.
I don't feel weak or anything by eating that much. I'd upped my goals to lose 2lbs a week so it makes sense to me to have that extra bit of deficit in order to make sure I accomplish my goals.
I'm still fat so there's no danger of me falling over from starvation.
I thin the concern is less about "starvation" and more about your body cannibalizing muscle instead of fat. I saw on another thread (I'll try to find it) a great explanation for why too low calories is dangerous, even if you FEEL fine. The summary is that the body can only effectively burn so much fat per pound, so if your intake is too low, you don't actually burn more fat. You burn the body's max amount of fat and then the body starts attacking lean muscle tissue, including vital organs. So, you could still have a decent amount of body fat, but if you're consistently taking in 1k calories a day (especially if you are also adding in exercise), you're losing muscle in order to get the scale to go down, creating more long term problems - not to mention setting yourself up to have a MUCH harder time once you get to maintenance.
TL;DR: Weight Loss SHOULD = Fat Loss. Too few calories makes weight loss = Fat + Muscle Loss = dangerous.
To be fair, I just want to be skinny and I'm working to get there. If I die earlier from those efforts of cutting calories, meh, so be it. We're all gonna kick it someday, just a matter of when and how.
I sincerely hope that you get to enjoy being skinny before you suffer the negative consequences. I'm not gonna lecture (who am I to talk, right?!) but as food for thought, keep in mind that a more moderate deficit will increase your chances of success, so if you REALLY want to just be skinny you may want to consider upping to 12k or 13k and taking a little longer to get to goal, but being far happier once you get there. Don't discount calorie math - an extra 200 calories a day (bringing you much closer to healthy and HAPPY weight loss - makes less than a 2 pound monthly difference on the scale (1.7).
I'm not happy now so I know being skinny won't make me happy but it will help my knee (ACL attached on only one end and arthritis) and I usually average a 400 calorie deficit since I don't eat back my exercise calories.
Oh, man, I can sympathize with the knee issues!! Mine aren't exactly the same, but most of the cartilage and half of my medial meniscus is gone in my left knee, plus I've had a full lateral meniscus transplant in the same knee plus an MPFL replacement. Losing weight will definitely make it feel better! I noticed the constant everyday pain diminishing after about 10 pounds lost and the "always" swelling going down after about 15. Now, it mostly just bothers me (pain-wise) when I run, although I still feel a good amount of instability so I'm super paranoid and careful about what activities I do (nothing that requires lateral or complex squatting movements). My knee is part of the reason why I gained - I didn't alter my eating during most of recovery and pain meds tend to make me eat MORE, so after 5 surgeries worth, the habits were awful + the only exercise I was getting was rehab, which isn't exactly a calorie scorcher.
I sincerely hope that you start to feel the benefits of less weight on your knees soon (even if I think you should have an extra snack
). It makes a world of difference.
Are you sure you're counting correctly, though? If you don't eat your exercise cals, then your deficit should be based on your TDEE. Is it really only 1400?!
https://tdeecalculator.net/
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KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »KurumiSophia wrote: »I do feel hungry at times after I eat my 1K for the day but I remind myself that I have eaten my calories for the day and I need to suck it the heck up. Weight loss comes by eating way less and I can't eat every time I get the least bit peckish.
You don't have to suffer this much to lose weight. You want to eat less but not way less... You want it to be sustainable. That is a very low amount of calories.. you want to make sure you are fueling yourself adequately and receiving enough nutrients for your body.
I don't feel weak or anything by eating that much. I'd upped my goals to lose 2lbs a week so it makes sense to me to have that extra bit of deficit in order to make sure I accomplish my goals.
I'm still fat so there's no danger of me falling over from starvation.
I thin the concern is less about "starvation" and more about your body cannibalizing muscle instead of fat. I saw on another thread (I'll try to find it) a great explanation for why too low calories is dangerous, even if you FEEL fine. The summary is that the body can only effectively burn so much fat per pound, so if your intake is too low, you don't actually burn more fat. You burn the body's max amount of fat and then the body starts attacking lean muscle tissue, including vital organs. So, you could still have a decent amount of body fat, but if you're consistently taking in 1k calories a day (especially if you are also adding in exercise), you're losing muscle in order to get the scale to go down, creating more long term problems - not to mention setting yourself up to have a MUCH harder time once you get to maintenance.
TL;DR: Weight Loss SHOULD = Fat Loss. Too few calories makes weight loss = Fat + Muscle Loss = dangerous.
To be fair, I just want to be skinny and I'm working to get there. If I die earlier from those efforts of cutting calories, meh, so be it. We're all gonna kick it someday, just a matter of when and how.
I sincerely hope that you get to enjoy being skinny before you suffer the negative consequences. I'm not gonna lecture (who am I to talk, right?!) but as food for thought, keep in mind that a more moderate deficit will increase your chances of success, so if you REALLY want to just be skinny you may want to consider upping to 12k or 13k and taking a little longer to get to goal, but being far happier once you get there. Don't discount calorie math - an extra 200 calories a day (bringing you much closer to healthy and HAPPY weight loss - makes less than a 2 pound monthly difference on the scale (1.7).
I'm not happy now so I know being skinny won't make me happy but it will help my knee (ACL attached on only one end and arthritis) and I usually average a 400 calorie deficit since I don't eat back my exercise calories.
Oh, man, I can sympathize with the knee issues!! Mine aren't exactly the same, but most of the cartilage and half of my medial meniscus is gone in my left knee, plus I've had a full lateral meniscus transplant in the same knee plus an MPFL replacement. Losing weight will definitely make it feel better! I noticed the constant everyday pain diminishing after about 10 pounds lost and the "always" swelling going down after about 15. Now, it mostly just bothers me (pain-wise) when I run, although I still feel a good amount of instability so I'm super paranoid and careful about what activities I do (nothing that requires lateral or complex squatting movements). My knee is part of the reason why I gained - I didn't alter my eating during most of recovery and pain meds tend to make me eat MORE, so after 5 surgeries worth, the habits were awful + the only exercise I was getting was rehab, which isn't exactly a calorie scorcher.
I sincerely hope that you start to feel the benefits of less weight on your knees soon (even if I think you should have an extra snack ). It makes a world of difference.
Are you sure you're counting correctly, though? If you don't eat your exercise cals, then your deficit should be based on your TDEE. Is it really only 1400?!
https://tdeecalculator.net/
Yep. I weigh my food, don't eat breakfast as a general rule, and use my lunch break to walk 2 miles a day.0 -
A thought that may or may not be relevant:
I needed to train my body to realize that being hungry and being bored aren't the same thing.
I get physical symptoms when hungry - stomach rumbles and I get a slightly spacey feeling not dizzy just a feeling like my body just turned on the afterburners.
When I'm bored, no physical symptoms. I just wanted something to do so eating was it.2 -
@KurumiSophia have a read of this:
written by @Faithful_Chosen - Thanks, everyone, for the answers already I am just going to add that MyFitnessPal calculates your projected loss (so, the amount you have set to lose a week) into the net goal you recieve. It assumes that if you want to eat more, you have to move more to stay in that deficit. Makes sense, right?
Now, especially newbies have a tendency to up the cardio and decrease the food to make a bigger deficit, assuming they will lose faster--and they might! I am not gonna sit here and say that you won't lose more. It's probably not going to show up on the scale due to water weight, but they will lose more. The question is: at what price? And what are they losing?
The MyFitnessPal method (built in deficit based on your numbers, especially plus purposeful exercise) is designed to steadily lose fat and preserving as much muscle as possible. You see, there is a (science proven) limit to how much fat a body can convert into usable energy during any period of time. If you go over that limit, it turns to muscle for fuel instead. You will always get a little bit of muscle tissue loss when eating at a deficit, but if you undereat and up the cardio (or even strength training!) like I see a lot of people on here do, you are forcing your body to canibalize its muscle tissue on top of the max level of fat it can burn. Not to mention that meeting your macro and micro nutrient goals with this method is virtually impossible, creating massive hormone imbalances (leptine, for example) and vitamins and mineral deficits.
The long term effects of crash dieting and deprivation dieting (which is basically what happens when you become one of the people who net in the low hundreds to negatives day after day for an extended period of time) can be really severe. Basically, you are systematically starving yourself, after all. The results tend to be this (one example, hypothetical you):
- your body burns fat, then muscle tissue to sustain itself. You become weaker and sore. You also start having cravings because your brain is sending out warning signs: 'I am starving! Feed me!'. So, you either binge and up your overall net a little, or you persevere and pat yourself on the back for a job well done! You wanted lots of fatty food, but you fed it a celery stick instead. Sadly, your whole timeline congratulates you on your willpower. You start to wonder, though, why your willpower is not being rewarded! The scale doesn't budge! You fail to realize it's because of water weight due to too much exercise and the body's inability to recover due to a lack of nurishment. The solution is often to eat even less and work out even more to get the scale to move.
- the body is further unable to sustain. It changed the body's chemistry to preserve all it can--after all, it needs to protect vital organs from becoming affected and keep you going so you can hunt and gather for food! At this stage, the body becomes its own worst enemy: it no longer tells you you are starving so you can make a last ditch effort to get food. You think you are fine on 1000 calories a day, burning 1200, because your body shows no signs of hunger anymore, but basically, the little neutrients you are providing your body with get sucked towards your vital organs, leaving nothing for the rest. You become more tired, and cranky, and your muscles no longer recover from all the stress you put them through working out. As a result, they break down even faster and hold on to even more water to prevent that breakdown from affecting your ability to throw a spear at a prey animal (hey, I can't help it your body still thinks we are living in caves!). The scale drops oh so slowly--if at all--but meanwhile you do see you are slimming down! Your measurements are less! MyFitnessPal celebrates! 'Hurray! The weight must come off in a 'woosh' soon now! Keep doing what you are doing!'. Note that (thankfully) many people drop out at this stage. The psychological burden becomes too great, they feel *kitten*, and life isn't fun anymore. They stop dieting, start binging, and gain even more weight. The jojo'ing has begun.
- you keep doing what you were doing. We are a few months in now. You develop headaches, fatigue, and you start finding more and more hair on your pillow in the morning. In fact, you start finding hair everywhere. You also get hungry again, not in a way that makes you binge but a sort of steady nagging: a gentle reminder that time is running out. Fail to meet it (MyFitnessPal people pat your back when you tell them you went to bed early instead of having more food) and slowly, your body gives up its protective hold on more systems. You can survive without full function to certain organs, so your body throws them to the wolves: nutrients go towards your brain, heart, and lungs. Pretty much all other organs start running at half capacity. You hold on to more toxins, which start chipping away at your system, and your ability to process food (get nutrients out of them) suffers greatly, so you are truly starving now. This is the point where the weight starts coming off, and pretty quickly, too, usually. A big whoosh! (MyFitnessPal people cheer in the distance). What you are really seeing is your body giving up on protecting muscle tissue completely: the water weight falls away, showing you that you actually did lose a lot of fat and muscle tissue. More cheering! It must be working! Keep at it! Work harder! Eat less!
- now you are in serious *kitten*! Your organs are not keeping up, your muscles are breaking down, and the body has to start looking elsewhere for fuel: your organs and the more vital muscles, including your heart. At this point, your nails will become brittle and start falling out. Your hair falls out. Your period stops. You experience bouts of nausea and muscle weakness. You might find yourself pulling into a run and suddenly blacking out. You still function, but on the inside you are shutting down.
From here on out, it all depends on if you start eating again and stop exercising or not. If you don't, you can end up killing yourself. If you do, it is a long road to recovery, sometimes lasting years and it sometimes includes permanent damage to the function of certain organs, especially the liver and kidneys. Worst of all, this entire crash diet hasn't taught you how to sustain weight loss, so as soon as you crash and burn, the weight flies back on! And trust me, it takes a fraction of the time it took to lose it to gain it back.
I am not saying this to frighten you (well, I am a little), but as a nurse, you should be aware of the ramifications of crash dieting. Those of us that do realize the effects therefor recommend you lose weight slowly, at a sustainable rate that gives you the best ratio of fat loss vs. muscle loss. Stick to your MyFitnessPal calculated net, take the time, eat back your true exercise calories (which is probably 50 to 75 percent of your machine or database given calories), and learn how to eat (and what to eat) for weight loss you can maintain for years to come. It might not go as fast, but you will be able to see it on the scale, and best of all, it will be safe. That is my very long winded answer to 'why' you should eat back exercise calories.6 -
At first yes. I'd spent my life eating until I was miserable, waiting half an hour, and then finding snacks. I didn't get an honest opportunity to feel actual hunger UNTIL I had enough of being uncomfortable in my body and incredibly unhealthy (but boy did I ever like to think I was healthy for my weight!).
Now? On my days off I don't eat until noon to 2pm and that's light so I can enjoy myself a large dinner within my calories. What are your stats? You're giving yourself absolutely no room to cut by taking the agressive route, meaning that you have to be incredibly accurate with calories. I saw you had a knee issue... So you'll have to keep going at what you're doing with exercise, or lower your deficit and lose at a SLIGHTLY slower pace which may be more beneficial to you in the long run. Less stress on you mentally and physically.0 -
Just started to lose weight to be healthy. My intake for calories daily is 1200. Now question is it normal to fell hungry at night? I just keep drinking water to make the hunger go away. I also try to sleep so I can forget it. Do you guys feel hungry too?
I eat between 1200 - 1400 daily and I'm kind of hungry.
Not hungry enough to be thinking and feeling "oh god I'd kill for some more food" and wanting snacks, but I'm always in a state where I'm just hungry enough to eat something if it's put in front of me. I almost never feel truly "full" unless I'm indulging in a big meal.0 -
I definitely did on 1200. I tried that for about 2 weeks when I first started losing weight, but quickly decided to reassess when I started having dizzy spells at my desk at work. 1500 net seems to be the sweet spot for me. Perhaps, depending on your overall goal and what you set MFP to lose, you may need to eat a little more?0
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kshama2001 wrote: »Just started to lose weight to be healthy. My intake for calories daily is 1200. Now question is it normal to fell hungry at night? I just keep drinking water to make the hunger go away. I also try to sleep so I can forget it. Do you guys feel hungry too?
1200 is really too little for most women unless they are very very short. How tall are you, how much weight do you want to lose total, and what's your weekly weight loss goal?
The Biggest Loser gave me distorted expectations of how much weight I should lose per week.
I'm 5'6 and my weight is 218 pounds. I'm trying to lose 2 pounds weekly.
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If you were to literally starve someone who is obese, they could die before becoming thin. Not all bodily functions run on calories alone and you will strip from your muscles and organs (like your heart and liver) to feed those processes.0
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You're hungry because you are not eating back your exercise calories. Eat at least half of it back and you will feel less hungry.0
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