Really struggling to hit my Calories each day... can I drink beer?
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FOR SURE!, drink whatever you want!, I am here to maintain now. and I drink all weekend.i have no problem losing, just go work it off!0
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stanmann571 wrote: »
I think it makes a great pre-workout. I have one beer and head in 30- 45 min later and I have a great lift. No lie.1 -
I've filled the gaps with wine, ice cream, donuts, etc. I would say it is fine as long as the alcohol isn't impairing your ability to sleep or your workouts the next day.
I go with Eric Helms' views on the matter :
"A good rule of thumb is to not go over 15% of your total calories for the day as alcohol" and "if you're gonna drink, drink like you have a 5am leg day the next morning"
Great quote. I will always remember this!!0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
really? Do I really need to put the "hit your macros micros, first" disclaimer in EVERY TIME???????????
The items mentioned are high in heart unhealthy saturated fats. One doesn't want to hit and pass their macro targets with an excess of these items.
How about things like nuts, avocado, etc that are high in good fats, as well as calories?
it was a sampling of calorie dense foods and I doubt that a couple hundred calories of Oreos is going to have any long term damage...
Your "sampling" only consisted of high calorie nutrient poor foods that are high in saturated fats.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
Given the high number of people in the US population with high cholesterol, it would be prudent to suggest calorie dense foods that are not high in saturated fats.
Given the fact that the OP is lean and exercises, they are not a representation of the general populous. It's also why I recommended monitoring through bloodwork.
It also dont' mean got eat a diet in nothing but ice cream. It's get whole foods and fill in the gaps with treats where you can... essentially 90/10 or 80/20 rule
Lean individuals can have issues with high cholesterol if they are eating too many saturated fats. I agree with the 90/10, 80/20 premise, but this still needs to give consideration to excess "bad" fats in the diet.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
I think it makes a great pre-workout. I have one beer and head in 30- 45 min later and I have a great lift. No lie.
I use to have a few during and kill it
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
That would only be an issue if you aren't getting enough PUFA/MUFAs. But you can monitor your bloodwork to see if SFA have an impact on metabolic markers.
Given the high number of people in the US population with high cholesterol, it would be prudent to suggest calorie dense foods that are not high in saturated fats.
Given the fact that the OP is lean and exercises, they are not a representation of the general populous. It's also why I recommended monitoring through bloodwork.
It also dont' mean got eat a diet in nothing but ice cream. It's get whole foods and fill in the gaps with treats where you can... essentially 90/10 or 80/20 rule
Lean individuals can have issues with high cholesterol if they are eating too many saturated fats. I agree with the 90/10, 80/20 premise, but this still needs to give consideration to excess "bad" fats in the diet.
That is why you have to consider the entire diet and not just components. Yes, excessive SFA and added sugars are bad, especially if they are crowding more important nutrients. But saying don't eat that because it's SFA are bad is a bit short sighted IMO. What is more important is looking at the amount of fiber (especially fruits/veggies/whole grains), M/PUFA, and protein one consumes.
ETA: I will add personally, I would rather add ice cream than alcohol. But I also am not a huge drinker (can count on one hand how many times a year I drink). But I do frequently have ice cream/treats and higher amounts of SFA. Of which has yet to have any negative impact on my metabolic markers. And I get blood work annually or semiannually1 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »
WOW!!!! Whatever you do, don't listen to this guy!I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Why? If one is getting thr majority of theit diet from nutrient dense sources, what is thr issue with adding those foods.
Just look at the advice from people like Dr. Layne Norton, Dr. Brad Schoenfeld, Alan Aragon, etc.... some of the tops in this industry and utilize flexible dieting practices.
I'm just saying you can't just start eating a bunch of junk and expect good things to happen. Just doesn't work. Unless you're Michael Phelps burning 10,000 cal a day. Which I'm pretty sure this guy isn't.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Need to make sure to look at these items in the context of total diet. All are high in saturated fats.
really? Do I really need to put the "hit your macros micros, first" disclaimer in EVERY TIME???????????
The items mentioned are high in heart unhealthy saturated fats. One doesn't want to hit and pass their macro targets with an excess of these items.
How about things like nuts, avocado, etc that are high in good fats, as well as calories?
it was a sampling of calorie dense foods and I doubt that a couple hundred calories of Oreos is going to have any long term damage...
Your "sampling" only consisted of high calorie nutrient poor foods that are high in saturated fats.
with the operating assumption that one was already meeting micros and macros..
again, do we really need a disclosure for every single post on here?
I never once said eat oreo's and disregard nutrition and macros...
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musclesandmusic866 wrote: »musclesandmusic866 wrote: »
WOW!!!! Whatever you do, don't listen to this guy!I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Why? If one is getting thr majority of theit diet from nutrient dense sources, what is thr issue with adding those foods.
Just look at the advice from people like Dr. Layne Norton, Dr. Brad Schoenfeld, Alan Aragon, etc.... some of the tops in this industry and utilize flexible dieting practices.
I'm just saying you can't just start eating a bunch of junk and expect good things to happen. Just doesn't work. Unless you're Michael Phelps burning 10,000 cal a day. Which I'm pretty sure this guy isn't.
I think it's the context that people are misunderstanding. We all regularly promote getting a diet largely consisting of whole foods. But it's also possible to incorporate treats. No one would advocate a diet full of crap.
Although, I will say, many body builders to experience PR sessions after coming off cuts and binging on those same exact bad foods.0 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »musclesandmusic866 wrote: »
WOW!!!! Whatever you do, don't listen to this guy!I've always been pretty skinny, mostly due to the fact that I just don't eat past the feeling of being full. I did have a poor diet for a few years and had some junk food weight (15ish pounds), which I easily dropped in a few months after switching to a 90% clean diet, cardio and tracking about 2000 Calories a day. (I'm 6'1 174lbs now).
I've started lifting, dropped most of the cardio, and increased my calories to about 3000 a day. Between working out, and a pretty active job, I feel like I'm having to eat almost twice as much as I used to. I've added shakes, doubled my eggs in the morning, added snacks of nuts, greek yogurt, cheese, etc. But I'm still continuing to end up about 300-400 calories short each day. I try to eat another snack, however it's always a struggle, to the point were I feel bloated and uncomfortable.
That being said is there any huge argument against 2 or 3 beers a day as the final calories, especial since macro wise I'm typically short on carbs anyways?
why not just add in some calorie dense foods like ice cream, oreos, full fat milk, etc?
eating "clean" is counter productive to getting into a surplus, and the whole clean eating mantra is bull...
Why? If one is getting thr majority of theit diet from nutrient dense sources, what is thr issue with adding those foods.
Just look at the advice from people like Dr. Layne Norton, Dr. Brad Schoenfeld, Alan Aragon, etc.... some of the tops in this industry and utilize flexible dieting practices.
I'm just saying you can't just start eating a bunch of junk and expect good things to happen. Just doesn't work. Unless you're Michael Phelps burning 10,000 cal a day. Which I'm pretty sure this guy isn't.
who advocated eating a bunch of junk???0 -
I think some posters are missing the context here. OP said he has a calorie goal of 3000 calories, has been eating 90% clean, and is falling 300-400 calories short. So he's eating 2600 calories, 90% clean = 2,300 calories of "clean" food. I seriously doubt adding 300 cals of Oreos, ice cream, and/or beer on top of that is going to cause health or performance issues.
Nobody told him to "eat whatever he wants". They told him to top off his already healthy diet with whatever he wants on the days he struggles to hit his goal. Context matters.2 -
Foods such as ice cream and Oreos... I have never seen a bodybuilding eating plan that incorporates these kinds of food. At least not a legitimate one.1
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I think some posters are missing the context here. OP said he has a calorie goal of 3000 calories, has been eating 90% clean, and is falling 300-400 calories short. So he's eating 2600 calories, 90% clean = 2,300 calories of "clean" food. I seriously doubt adding 300 cals of Oreos, ice cream, and/or beer on top of that is going to cause health or performance issues.
Nobody told him to "eat whatever he wants". They told him to top off his already healthy diet with whatever he wants on the days he struggles to hit his goal. Context matters.
Exactly this.
2600 calories, Wants to get to 3K.
Question... Can I top off with a couple beers.
Answer. Yeah, Go for it.... Or have an oreo and some ice cream.
Especially since the poster seemed remarkably self aware, self knowledgeable and fully cognizant of his goals and the approximate roadmap to get there.
As contrasted with most posters who don't know what they're doing, where they are going, or how they expect to get there.3 -
I think some posters are missing the context here. OP said he has a calorie goal of 3000 calories, has been eating 90% clean, and is falling 300-400 calories short. So he's eating 2600 calories, 90% clean = 2,300 calories of "clean" food. I seriously doubt adding 300 cals of Oreos, ice cream, and/or beer on top of that is going to cause health or performance issues.
Nobody told him to "eat whatever he wants". They told him to top off his already healthy diet with whatever he wants on the days he struggles to hit his goal. Context matters.
Fair enough... for the record we are people not posters.0 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »Foods such as ice cream and Oreos... I have never seen a bodybuilding eating plan that incorporates these kinds of food. At least not a legitimate one.
Then you need to look at record holders like Dr. Layne Norton.5 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »I think some posters are missing the context here. OP said he has a calorie goal of 3000 calories, has been eating 90% clean, and is falling 300-400 calories short. So he's eating 2600 calories, 90% clean = 2,300 calories of "clean" food. I seriously doubt adding 300 cals of Oreos, ice cream, and/or beer on top of that is going to cause health or performance issues.
Nobody told him to "eat whatever he wants". They told him to top off his already healthy diet with whatever he wants on the days he struggles to hit his goal. Context matters.
Fair enough... for the record we are people not posters.
I'm pretty sure the fact that posters are people is implied, but duly noted!2 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »I think some posters are missing the context here. OP said he has a calorie goal of 3000 calories, has been eating 90% clean, and is falling 300-400 calories short. So he's eating 2600 calories, 90% clean = 2,300 calories of "clean" food. I seriously doubt adding 300 cals of Oreos, ice cream, and/or beer on top of that is going to cause health or performance issues.
Nobody told him to "eat whatever he wants". They told him to top off his already healthy diet with whatever he wants on the days he struggles to hit his goal. Context matters.
Fair enough... for the record we are people not posters.
For the record, I wasn't talking about you.
I was talking about posters(who are people who start threads) who ask questions like
You're a commenter.What protein powder will make me lose weight800 calories a day 2 days no weightloss
with no indication of goal(loss/gain/maintainCan I eat meat?
And those are just in the last 20 minutes.
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musclesandmusic866 wrote: »Foods such as ice cream and Oreos... I have never seen a bodybuilding eating plan that incorporates these kinds of food. At least not a legitimate one.
Then you need to look at record holders like Dr. Layne Norton.
I'm looking but not finding. Would gladly be interested in seeing if you have a link available.0 -
musclesandmusic866 wrote: »musclesandmusic866 wrote: »Foods such as ice cream and Oreos... I have never seen a bodybuilding eating plan that incorporates these kinds of food. At least not a legitimate one.
Then you need to look at record holders like Dr. Layne Norton.
I'm looking but not finding. Would gladly be interested in seeing if you have a link available.
https://www.biolayne.com/
He also has some great videos on youtube.
He holds a PhD in nutritonal sciences, held records in powerlifitng for his weight class and conducts studies. So not just a trainer.... someone who is actually educated in the field and practices it.. there is also Eric Helms, Alan Aragon, Menno henselmans and Brad Schoenfeld to name a few.0 -
Thank you!0
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musclesandmusic866 wrote: »Thank you!
You might like the vid below. Laynes return into big lifts after being injured. DL 600x5.
https://youtu.be/9AjB7fGWaSg 1
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