Interesting but more behind it
jwhoblit
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This issue is not with the lack of calories being consumed. Your body needs sugars to work and function. The best is as it's always been said, fruits. But even then break it down into the anatomy and physiology of the body, you have different types of sugars needed. Your body breaks down what you eat into everything it needs. The issue with artificial sweeteners is that when you consume them your make your body believe it is getting sugar. So your body expects to receive it and functions in a certain way to process them for your organs. By "tricking" your body with these you set a chain of events that if consumed enough of often that when you consume real sugar it doesn't process it for use but turns around and starts to store it for later consumption by your body. There is nothing wrong with eating real sugar, but it's like anything else you eat or take in, moderation. Moderation is the key. If your active or recently were and are drained by all means take in a little to help brain function and organ function. But to be inactive or "just because" and to I take a soda or large body of energy or performance drinks when not needed is when the issue arises for normal sugar intake. Again with both sugar and artificial sweeteners it come down to moderation and when called for.
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You don't need to eat sugar for your body to work.
You can't trick your body with flavor or else people would react like diabetics if they eat something with sugar that isn't sweet or vice versa.10 -
So much misinformation in one post.16
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I had to read this like three times, grammar pls
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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/23/amp/artificial-sweeteners-confuse-body.aspx
https://www.washington.edu/wholeu/2016/08/19/artificialsugars/
And there are many more. And it's not to say that these are end all. As there are multiple on the other side of the aspect. There are still plenty of studies going all around.22 -
Mercola has been ridiculed by his peers.
Please post the studies.9 -
https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
Some reading for you about the "Doctor" you are quoting.12 -
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/23/amp/artificial-sweeteners-confuse-body.aspx
https://www.washington.edu/wholeu/2016/08/19/artificialsugars/
And there are many more. And it's not to say that these are end all. As there are multiple on the other side of the aspect. There are still plenty of studies going all around.
The ones on the other side of the aspect are the ones accepted by health organizations all around the world. The ones you posted are accepted by housewives who want an excuse for why they don't lose weight.12 -
Won't argue with the mercola article. Appreciate the article link. Wasn't trying to quote him. But there has been more studies than listed. Some done by the one link by Washington univeristy, another by Yale, another by Harvard health, another by Purdue university, Forbes has a great one that talks to several outside studies. So with that I'd say it's a bit more than just housewives, although I love the comment and agree with a lot of them that is the case.4
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Hey Run, if you really want them, give a me a couple days to pull them and I put them up for you so you can shoot holes through them.
Steve, you can trick the body into things. While I will agree that it ISN'T the sole purpose of medical problems, it is a catalyst or link to Type ll diabetes and cardiovascular issues. But again there are a lot of other aspects with their lifestyles that primarily promote it. Much to the reason why we don't give sweeteners to diabetics but glucose or real sugar foods if able.7 -
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Diabetics use sweeteners all the time.
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I am diabetic and sweetners do not raise my blood sugar. Sugar and sugar alcohols do though. I have to watch my carb intake closely or my blood sugar goes through the roof. Been diabetic for years. Have you?8
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Won't argue with the mercola article. Appreciate the article link. Wasn't trying to quote him. But there has been more studies than listed. Some done by the one link by Washington univeristy, another by Yale, another by Harvard health, another by Purdue university, Forbes has a great one that talks to several outside studies. So with that I'd say it's a bit more than just housewives, although I love the comment and agree with a lot of them that is the case.
I hate to break it to you, but saying there are studies done at Harvard, Yale, or where ever else tells one nothing about that study, what it found, or even the quality of the research. If you want to construct an argument, you'll need to point to specific studies that have been published in peer reviewed journals, preferably established peer reviewed journals, and even then that is no guarantee of quality.9 -
While you're looking, check out this thread. Done by a member who's a molecular biochemist.Hey Run, if you really want them, give a me a couple days to pull them and I put them up for you so you can shoot holes through them.
Steve, you can trick the body into things. While I will agree that it ISN'T the sole purpose of medical problems, it is a catalyst or link to Type ll diabetes and cardiovascular issues. But again there are a lot of other aspects with their lifestyles that primarily promote it. Much to the reason why we don't give sweeteners to diabetics but glucose or real sugar foods if able.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
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can I trick my body into not having a genetic defect? RA,asthma,etc? would be nice if I could. some health issues no matter how well you eat can pop up later down the road.heck you can be running and drop dead of a heart attack while being in good shape and eating healthy. happens all the time5
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on another note. sugar or anything else is not stored as fat if one is in a deficit.6
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »can I trick my body into not having a genetic defect? RA,asthma,etc? would be nice if I could. some health issues no matter how well you eat can pop up later down the road.heck you can be running and drop dead of a heart attack while being in good shape and eating healthy. happens all the time
I wanna trick my body into not having an adrenal tumor! Not having scoliosis would be awesome too! Get me on this tricky train.
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It's NOT interesting, and there isn't anything more behind it. certainly not anything sinister.3
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
Some reading for you about the "Doctor" you are quoting.
Yeah, I'd much rather listen to THE Doctor in a response above.
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cerise_noir wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
Some reading for you about the "Doctor" you are quoting.
Yeah, I'd much rather listen to THE Doctor in a response above.
Snap, I'd trust him not to twist things more than Mercola. 1 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
Some reading for you about the "Doctor" you are quoting.
Yeah, I'd much rather listen to THE Doctor in a response above. Snap, I'd trust him not to twist things more than Mercola.
Rule 1: The Doctor lies.6 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Mercola has been ridiculed by his peers.
Please post the studies.
I'm sure a lot of people had difficult childhoods.3 -
Hey Run, if you really want them, give a me a couple days to pull them and I put them up for you so you can shoot holes through them.
Steve, you can trick the body into things. While I will agree that it ISN'T the sole purpose of medical problems, it is a catalyst or link to Type ll diabetes and cardiovascular issues. But again there are a lot of other aspects with their lifestyles that primarily promote it. Much to the reason why we don't give sweeteners to diabetics but glucose or real sugar foods if able.
Is this a typo? The American Diabetes Association recommends that diabetics use artificial sweeteners, because it doesn't cause spikes. My family is full of type 2 diabetics (and one type 1), and they all use artificial sweeteners as part of a way to manage their diabetes.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/making-healthy-food-choices/what-can-i-drink.html
Also, back when I was overweight I was a pre-diabetic. I started using artificial sweeteners for the first time, when I started my weight loss phase. 50lbs lost and now several years into maintenance I have fasting glucose numbers in the 80s. I continue to use artificial sweetener several times a day, every day.7 -
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/23/amp/artificial-sweeteners-confuse-body.aspx
https://www.washington.edu/wholeu/2016/08/19/artificialsugars/
And there are many more. And it's not to say that these are end all. As there are multiple on the other side of the aspect. There are still plenty of studies going all around.
I'm not even going to start with Mercola, he is a snake oil salesman hiding behind an MD in family medicine.
Your second link goes to an article on a University website, not a study. It's basically a blog post by someone named Quinn Russell Brown, who when you click through to his page seems to mostly write about Faculty Friday. He has no listed credentials.
So there's nothing here to debate.
If artificial sweeteners "tricked" the body into either producing insulin or immediately storing sugar as fat, the vast majority of diabetics would become morbidly obese or dead (every diabetic and pre-diabetic I know uses artificial sweeteners). And this affect would I think be easily observable in scientific research. So do you have links to research that has been done that shows this actually happening in the body? Or explains how this actually biologically happens? Not a blog post or a sales page?5 -
:laugh:NorthCascades wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Mercola has been ridiculed by his peers.
Please post the studies.
I'm sure a lot of people had difficult childhoods.
Poor MercLOLa
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NorthCascades wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Mercola has been ridiculed by his peers.
Please post the studies.
I'm sure a lot of people had difficult childhoods.
Seems his adulthood isn't getting much better.
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Hey Run, if you really want them, give a me a couple days to pull them and I put them up for you so you can shoot holes through them.
Steve, you can trick the body into things. While I will agree that it ISN'T the sole purpose of medical problems, it is a catalyst or link to Type ll diabetes and cardiovascular issues. But again there are a lot of other aspects with their lifestyles that primarily promote it. Much to the reason why we don't give sweeteners to diabetics but glucose or real sugar foods if able.
Uh, what? Diabetics are almost universally advised to use sweeteners and to avoid real sugar foods.1 -
From the quoted website, under the 'Weighing the Risk" header alone:"...you might be..."
"You could be..."
"...may tend to be more at risk for such events in the first place."
"...may throw off..."
"...suggested..."
"They’re unknown..."
"It’s always possible, but there’s currently no robust evidence for it,..."
"After reviewing the research, the European Union’s Food Safety Authority determined that many of the rats likely died from an infection, not aspartame, and that the rest were killed not by the sweetener itself but by the sheer size of the dose."
"Their findings have yet to be replicated in other labs, which is a core principle of science."
I could go on and do the same for the rest of the article.
I do not think that website means what you think it means. You may want to actually read it vs. looking at its pretty graphic flair and assuming it does. While in its attempt to be objective, it leaves a lot to be desired, it does not support your position. At all.
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I think maybe OP was replying to an artificial sugar thread, and accidentally started his own thread. Not that it changes the content in his post, just sayin'. @jwhoblit0
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