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snickerscharlie wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »getnickripped wrote: »I do daily intermittent fasting. Not too strict. I just go 18-20 hours since I last ate. Finished last night around 830pm so today Ill eat at 230 pm and finish hopefully by 730 pm. Ill take in around 2400 cals and it maintains my weight. I feel great and havent been this cut since my 20's.
I find when Im in a rut if I compress the time frame to 4 hour eating windows, it works best for me. I can take in 1800 cals, feel stuffed and be 600 cals under my daily target.
Coffee, water and keeping busy gets me thru the fasting period.
I find on say a 2 day fast like I am starting this evening there is part of me when approaching the breaking of it that does not want to finish, It's is a feeling that is hard to explain and I am still as a newbie trying to articulate it.
And for those saying fasting is not normal and not good for the body, it is completley the opposite I am starting to discover.
Human evolution has taken 100,000's of years to evolve, what is not normal is three plus meals a day at regular intervals with a nice little breakfast in the morning, that constant producing of insulin, no wonder we have so many weight problem issues and diabetes today. What has been normal is constant fasting with the need for fast busts of energy and strength when that moment comes when a food source is available, so would the body really take it's energy from muscle when they would so badly be needed. But then obviously a fast can go too long, drought for example, then the muscle becomes an option.
If humans have evolving as you state, why would 3 meals a day not be normal now for where we've evolved to? Why should we eat the way we did back then, if we are no longer the way we were back then? This doesn't make sense to me.
That is why there is so much obesity and food related illnesses.. because humans are now eating so much more and frequently.
Bad food is marketed in a way that I think should be criminal in the way it makes people ill, and then we have the huge pharmaceutical companies to make all their food related illness better
When I am not fasting I never consider food portions and eat what I want, well not much anyway. I also have one of those gadgets at home that measure weight and BMI, it's not all that accurate, but I can pick up on fluctuations at least. It measuers too high and at around low 20's to slightly under 20. In a very short space of time I have hit around the 13/14 level, and so I will be lower than that. Not seen those numbers in years.9 -
grumpygit1962 wrote: »skymningen wrote: »King_Spicy wrote: »I wish people would also stop using the term "water fasting." Noone calls it that. It's just fasting. People still drink water during a normal fast in any country that I've ever been in (which include a *kitten* ton of muslim countries)
I don't think it is to emphasize that they still drink water during fasting, but that they drink nothing else. I have heard of broth fasting, kale soup fasting, fasting with specially mixed herbal teas and so much more. All of those are fasting. Water fasting is just the one with nothing but water.
All of those other things are NOT fasts. Fasting is taking in NO NOURISHMENT for a designated period of time. Water is allowed because it is not nourishing.
I have fasted for religious reasons. Usually a day but once for 3 days. I would never do it for weight loss purposes.
Cannot say I am fasting for religious reasons, but I totally get the spiritual reasoning why people do it, had a great chat with a muslim gut the ither day about fasting.
I am coming around to seeing fasting as a great way to re balance the body mental and physical. I am reading up a lot at the moment on the subject of the increase in HGH, which if done naturally, which it is in this case, has huge health benefits for people, also reading up a lot on insulin while fasting. Which in a rounabout way leads to healthy weight control, not just the shedding of weight during the fast,
Part of it is for the discipline and part of it is so you can devote the time normally taken up by the preparation and eating of meals to spiritual matters (praying, meditation, scripture reading, etc.)
I do not advocate fasting for weight loss and you really cannot "reset" your body but if someone chooses to not eat for a day to mentally prepare them for beginning a weight loss program I would tell them to go for it. A day without food will harm nobody . . . but those with specialized nutritional needs like pregnant women, insulin dependent diabetics, etc. should not do it.5 -
grumpygit1962 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »getnickripped wrote: »I do daily intermittent fasting. Not too strict. I just go 18-20 hours since I last ate. Finished last night around 830pm so today Ill eat at 230 pm and finish hopefully by 730 pm. Ill take in around 2400 cals and it maintains my weight. I feel great and havent been this cut since my 20's.
I find when Im in a rut if I compress the time frame to 4 hour eating windows, it works best for me. I can take in 1800 cals, feel stuffed and be 600 cals under my daily target.
Coffee, water and keeping busy gets me thru the fasting period.
I find on say a 2 day fast like I am starting this evening there is part of me when approaching the breaking of it that does not want to finish, It's is a feeling that is hard to explain and I am still as a newbie trying to articulate it.
And for those saying fasting is not normal and not good for the body, it is completley the opposite I am starting to discover.
Human evolution has taken 100,000's of years to evolve, what is not normal is three plus meals a day at regular intervals with a nice little breakfast in the morning, that constant producing of insulin, no wonder we have so many weight problem issues and diabetes today. What has been normal is constant fasting with the need for fast busts of energy and strength when that moment comes when a food source is available, so would the body really take it's energy from muscle when they would so badly be needed. But then obviously a fast can go too long, drought for example, then the muscle becomes an option.
If humans have evolving as you state, why would 3 meals a day not be normal now for where we've evolved to? Why should we eat the way we did back then, if we are no longer the way we were back then? This doesn't make sense to me.
That is why there is so much obesity and food related illnesses.. because humans are now eating so much more and frequently.
Bad food is marketed in a way that I think should be criminal in the way it makes people ill, and then we have the huge pharmaceutical companies to make all their food related illness better
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Personally, I think much of it is that our food consumption habits have not changed where our lifestyle habits have. People just are not active anymore so they are not burning off the calories consumed.
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You don't have to do extreme fasting. Just do 16:8, or me I prefer 23:1. Whatever works for you. But as mentioned above, you shouldn't consume anything but water during your fasting state.2
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I'm not fasting for weight loss, but rather maintenance. I tend to overeat if I eat 3 meals a day. Somehow starting the day with breakfast triggers a eating binge and makes me hungry all day. But fasting actually does the opposite and doesn't make me hungry until it's my eating time.3
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grumpygit1962 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »getnickripped wrote: »I do daily intermittent fasting. Not too strict. I just go 18-20 hours since I last ate. Finished last night around 830pm so today Ill eat at 230 pm and finish hopefully by 730 pm. Ill take in around 2400 cals and it maintains my weight. I feel great and havent been this cut since my 20's.
I find when Im in a rut if I compress the time frame to 4 hour eating windows, it works best for me. I can take in 1800 cals, feel stuffed and be 600 cals under my daily target.
Coffee, water and keeping busy gets me thru the fasting period.
I find on say a 2 day fast like I am starting this evening there is part of me when approaching the breaking of it that does not want to finish, It's is a feeling that is hard to explain and I am still as a newbie trying to articulate it.
And for those saying fasting is not normal and not good for the body, it is completley the opposite I am starting to discover.
Human evolution has taken 100,000's of years to evolve, what is not normal is three plus meals a day at regular intervals with a nice little breakfast in the morning, that constant producing of insulin, no wonder we have so many weight problem issues and diabetes today. What has been normal is constant fasting with the need for fast busts of energy and strength when that moment comes when a food source is available, so would the body really take it's energy from muscle when they would so badly be needed. But then obviously a fast can go too long, drought for example, then the muscle becomes an option.
If humans have evolving as you state, why would 3 meals a day not be normal now for where we've evolved to? Why should we eat the way we did back then, if we are no longer the way we were back then? This doesn't make sense to me.
Because food on mass is now available, you give animals an endless source of food and they will eat until they can hardly move. I often see pets like this and think it very cruel to allow to happen, yet we do it to ourselves.
But Hey!
If you think it's normal to eat to the point where you are ill and in many cases people have to be lifted out of their homes using lifting equipment and cranes, who am I to argue.
Nice strawman you set up there. Have fun knocking it down.17 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ezekielsherrard205735 wrote: »I love how fasting melts those inches off!
All that lean muscle just melting right off... ok. :noway:
No, does not work like that.
Your body burns glucose from your liver in the majority of people, and when that is not available it eats away at fat stores and any other proteins sources and waste, even scar tissue before muscle even becomes an option, and that is a long way down the road.
Right... and that's healthy? K. No thanks.
Yes it is
take it we are going to get no more interuptions from you now seeing as though you are so anti, Bye
And thanks for massive contribution
I'll answer what I want. Have fun starving yourself.
How is it I'm "starving" myself when I eat like a King,?? I can eat basically anything I want and loads of it!! I have my cake and eat it too- literally!!
Who are you in the quoted portions? I'm trying to follow the conversation and don't see how she claimed you were starving yourself.3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »getnickripped wrote: »I do daily intermittent fasting. Not too strict. I just go 18-20 hours since I last ate. Finished last night around 830pm so today Ill eat at 230 pm and finish hopefully by 730 pm. Ill take in around 2400 cals and it maintains my weight. I feel great and havent been this cut since my 20's.
I find when Im in a rut if I compress the time frame to 4 hour eating windows, it works best for me. I can take in 1800 cals, feel stuffed and be 600 cals under my daily target.
Coffee, water and keeping busy gets me thru the fasting period.
I find on say a 2 day fast like I am starting this evening there is part of me when approaching the breaking of it that does not want to finish, It's is a feeling that is hard to explain and I am still as a newbie trying to articulate it.
And for those saying fasting is not normal and not good for the body, it is completley the opposite I am starting to discover.
Human evolution has taken 100,000's of years to evolve, what is not normal is three plus meals a day at regular intervals with a nice little breakfast in the morning, that constant producing of insulin, no wonder we have so many weight problem issues and diabetes today. What has been normal is constant fasting with the need for fast busts of energy and strength when that moment comes when a food source is available, so would the body really take it's energy from muscle when they would so badly be needed. But then obviously a fast can go too long, drought for example, then the muscle becomes an option.
If humans have evolving as you state, why would 3 meals a day not be normal now for where we've evolved to? Why should we eat the way we did back then, if we are no longer the way we were back then? This doesn't make sense to me.
That is why there is so much obesity and food related illnesses.. because humans are now eating so much more and frequently.
The common pattern of 3 meals a day started way before there was any obesity issue. I don't care about eating 3 meals vs. 1 vs. 8 (well, for me personally I do, but I think all can be fine), but it seems obvious that obesity is about food prevalence and a lack of social rules preventing excessive consumption, and the fact we evolved in a more food scarce environment, not that we suddenly changed to 3 meals a day (which is hardly the only pattern obese people live by).
Also, this thread started as one about multi day fasts, not IF. I don't really consider IF "fasting."6 -
grumpygit1962 wrote: »skymningen wrote: »King_Spicy wrote: »I wish people would also stop using the term "water fasting." Noone calls it that. It's just fasting. People still drink water during a normal fast in any country that I've ever been in (which include a *kitten* ton of muslim countries)
I don't think it is to emphasize that they still drink water during fasting, but that they drink nothing else. I have heard of broth fasting, kale soup fasting, fasting with specially mixed herbal teas and so much more. All of those are fasting. Water fasting is just the one with nothing but water.
All of those other things are NOT fasts. Fasting is taking in NO NOURISHMENT for a designated period of time. Water is allowed because it is not nourishing.
I have fasted for religious reasons. Usually a day but once for 3 days. I would never do it for weight loss purposes.
Cannot say I am fasting for religious reasons, but I totally get the spiritual reasoning why people do it, had a great chat with a muslim gut the ither day about fasting.
I am coming around to seeing fasting as a great way to re balance the body mental and physical. I am reading up a lot at the moment on the subject of the increase in HGH, which if done naturally, which it is in this case, has huge health benefits for people, also reading up a lot on insulin while fasting. Which in a rounabout way leads to healthy weight control, not just the shedding of weight during the fast,
Part of it is for the discipline and part of it is so you can devote the time normally taken up by the preparation and eating of meals to spiritual matters (praying, meditation, scripture reading, etc.)
I do not advocate fasting for weight loss and you really cannot "reset" your body but if someone chooses to not eat for a day to mentally prepare them for beginning a weight loss program I would tell them to go for it. A day without food will harm nobody . . . but those with specialized nutritional needs like pregnant women, insulin dependent diabetics, etc. should not do it.
Agree with this.0 -
IF protocols like 5:2/16:8/OMAD etc? Nobody here has an an issue with that and to say that those threads turn into this is disingenuous.
But 3+ day fasts for no other reason than weight loss will be pushed back against because you are getting into unhealthy territory. Particularly when putting in the literal mileage of the OP.10 -
hmm I guess when I eat and snack throughout the day I should be fat and have insulin problems then. I dont have any of those issues. insulin doesnt make a person fat or obese.I made myself that way from eating way too much food.
I was always thin until I started becoming less active and eating more.even while obese I didnt have any insulin issues. for some they dont produce enough insulin,some dont produce enough, for some its genetic and has no bearing on their way of eating.
so saying being fat is because you have insulin issues from eating all day is a blanket statement.if you are eating too much food and become overweight sure you can develop diabetes but a thin person can also develop diabetes.
for me many times I do 16:8 because Im not a big breakfast person. some days Im hungry and eat breakfast. some people may also overeat while fasting too which can cause weight gain as well. some people cant fast because of hypoglycemia and other health issues.
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On box 30 of a chocolate Poptart fast myself. The struggle is real...17
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ezekielsherrard205735 wrote: »I love how fasting melts those inches off!
All that lean muscle just melting right off... ok. :noway:
No, does not work like that.
Your body burns glucose from your liver in the majority of people, and when that is not available it eats away at fat stores and any other proteins sources and waste, even scar tissue before muscle even becomes an option, and that is a long way down the road.
Right... and that's healthy? K. No thanks.
Yes it is
take it we are going to get no more interuptions from you now seeing as though you are so anti, Bye
And thanks for massive contribution
I'll answer what I want. Have fun starving yourself.
How is it I'm "starving" myself when I eat like a King,?? I can eat basically anything I want and loads of it!! I have my cake and eat it too- literally!!
Who are you in the quoted portions? I'm trying to follow the conversation and don't see how she claimed you were starving yourself.
Chef barbell said , "have fun starving yourself". On fasting.4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ezekielsherrard205735 wrote: »I love how fasting melts those inches off!
All that lean muscle just melting right off... ok. :noway:
No, does not work like that.
Your body burns glucose from your liver in the majority of people, and when that is not available it eats away at fat stores and any other proteins sources and waste, even scar tissue before muscle even becomes an option, and that is a long way down the road.
Right... and that's healthy? K. No thanks.
Yes it is
take it we are going to get no more interuptions from you now seeing as though you are so anti, Bye
And thanks for massive contribution
I'll answer what I want. Have fun starving yourself.
How is it I'm "starving" myself when I eat like a King,?? I can eat basically anything I want and loads of it!! I have my cake and eat it too- literally!!
Who are you in the quoted portions? I'm trying to follow the conversation and don't see how she claimed you were starving yourself.
Chef barbell said , "have fun starving yourself". On fasting.
The fasting being referred to is the nothing but water for multiple days not IF like you are doing. Two completely different beasts.10 -
singingflutelady wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ezekielsherrard205735 wrote: »I love how fasting melts those inches off!
All that lean muscle just melting right off... ok. :noway:
No, does not work like that.
Your body burns glucose from your liver in the majority of people, and when that is not available it eats away at fat stores and any other proteins sources and waste, even scar tissue before muscle even becomes an option, and that is a long way down the road.
Right... and that's healthy? K. No thanks.
Yes it is
take it we are going to get no more interuptions from you now seeing as though you are so anti, Bye
And thanks for massive contribution
I'll answer what I want. Have fun starving yourself.
How is it I'm "starving" myself when I eat like a King,?? I can eat basically anything I want and loads of it!! I have my cake and eat it too- literally!!
Who are you in the quoted portions? I'm trying to follow the conversation and don't see how she claimed you were starving yourself.
Chef barbell said , "have fun starving yourself". On fasting.
The fasting being referred to is the nothing but water for multiple days not IF like you are doing. Two completely different beasts.
Exactly. No one was suggesting that one will "starve" not eating breakfast or whatever. (Or eating according to any eating schedule that leaves you with a reasonable number of daily or weekly calories.)
Like I said above, equating comments about 3 or 5 or more days without any food with IFing is, well, confusing.6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »grumpygit1962 wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »ezekielsherrard205735 wrote: »I love how fasting melts those inches off!
All that lean muscle just melting right off... ok. :noway:
No, does not work like that.
Your body burns glucose from your liver in the majority of people, and when that is not available it eats away at fat stores and any other proteins sources and waste, even scar tissue before muscle even becomes an option, and that is a long way down the road.
Right... and that's healthy? K. No thanks.
Yes it is
take it we are going to get no more interuptions from you now seeing as though you are so anti, Bye
And thanks for massive contribution
I'll answer what I want. Have fun starving yourself.
How is it I'm "starving" myself when I eat like a King,?? I can eat basically anything I want and loads of it!! I have my cake and eat it too- literally!!
Who are you in the quoted portions? I'm trying to follow the conversation and don't see how she claimed you were starving yourself.
Chef barbell said , "have fun starving yourself". On fasting.
The fasting being referred to is the nothing but water for multiple days not IF like you are doing. Two completely different beasts.
Exactly... seems like 2 or more different convos in one thread. It's hella confusing.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »IF protocols like 5:2/16:8/OMAD etc? Nobody here has an an issue with that and to say that those threads turn into this is disingenuous.
But 3+ day fasts for no other reason than weight loss will be pushed back against because you are getting into unhealthy territory. Particularly when putting in the literal mileage of the OP.
The only reason I am posting about this on this website is because I have had an amazing experience and wanted to share it. There is no ulterior motive, I am not selling anything, and I am not suggesting do as I do, I am just saying I tried something that I was initially very cynical about and had some amazing results from it, and not just weight control in the way you would imagine.
To me there is no grey area as to whether there are any benefits, to me it is factual, the benefits are incredible and I would love to hear more from other people who have experienced this as well. I have tried everything in my life to remove that last troublesome 15lb to 20lb, even when training hard, nothing works until I discovered this.
I am not suggesting or selling fasting, I am just learning from others still. And please, if you are going to rubbish the idea of fasting or even suggest it is dangerous, then please don't just come out with a unintelligent rude rant, agree to differ in a polite way and articulate your reasons why it's not worth trying, lets just say there is one particular rude person who for some reason has being hostile over the subject, why do people act in this way.That's not directed at Vintage by the way.
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Just finished a 41/2 day water fast! Loved it! I will be doing another extended water fast soon!
Hope this helps someone with an open heart and open mind. Do your research and enjoy the results.
I love the results and I am grateful for the experience!12 -
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