Fake vegetarian meat vs protein shakes.

Sabine_Stroehm

ecjim wrote: »

Soy does contain photo estrogens , and can affect your hormones - I personally avoid it - it is in many of the processed foods we buy and eat.
The fact that Asians have eaten it for years is a poor argment - soy is still a poor protein - It is however, a plentiful , widely grown, inexpensive source of protein.
If I were a vegetarian I would rely onother sources of protein. - Eastcoast Jim

If you were a vegetarian... so what of all the estrogen in meats, fish, dairy, perhaps even the water supply?

Why is the fact that asians have eaten it FOR MANY MANY MANY MANY years a poor argument?

and yes, phyto.

HeidiCooksSupper

Making seitan (wheat meat) is incredibly easy and there are a gazillion youtube videos and recipes. You can even make it starting with a bag of AP flour for a cheap version.

misnomer1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24015701
"Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized."

This research was done on humans.

janejellyroll

misnomer1 wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24015701
"Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized."

This research was done on humans.

What is the significance of the change observed in these ten men?

misnomer1

janejellyroll wrote: »

misnomer1 wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24015701
"Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized."

This research was done on humans.

What is the significance of the change observed in these ten men?

This is just with 20gm of soy isolate daily lol.

RESULTS:
This investigation observed lower testosterone responses following supplementation with soy protein in addition to a positive blunted cortisol response with the use of whey protein at some recovery time points. Although sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) was proposed as a possible mechanism for understanding changes in androgen content, SHBG did not differ between experimental treatments. Importantly, there were no significant differences between groups in changes in estradiol concentrations.

CONCLUSION:
Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized"

janejellyroll

misnomer1 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

misnomer1 wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24015701
"Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized."

This research was done on humans.

What is the significance of the change observed in these ten men?

This is just with 20gm of soy isolate daily lol.

RESULTS:
This investigation observed lower testosterone responses following supplementation with soy protein in addition to a positive blunted cortisol response with the use of whey protein at some recovery time points. Although sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) was proposed as a possible mechanism for understanding changes in androgen content, SHBG did not differ between experimental treatments. Importantly, there were no significant differences between groups in changes in estradiol concentrations.

CONCLUSION:
Our main findings demonstrate that 14 days of supplementation with soy protein does appear to partially blunt serum testosterone. In addition, whey influences the response of cortisol following an acute bout of resistance exercise by blunting its increase during recovery. Protein supplementation alters the physiological responses to a commonly used exercise modality with some differences due to the type of protein utilized"

Yes, I read it. What is the significance of partially blunted serum testosterone? Is this a meaningful change or one that is just observed via blood tests?

If we were to assume that what was true in this small study would be found in all men consuming soy, what would that mean?

Given that metaanalysis often gives us a better foundation for drawing conclusions than small single studies, you may be interested in this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106

DananaNanas

ninerbuff wrote: »

Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?

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Well that's just not true. I've been a vegetarian for 13 years (various reasons over the years... mainly that I like animals and don't want to eat them) and I do NOT like the taste or texture of fake meat at all.

When I was younger and still lived at home with my parents I would eat it from time to time because as you are just starting out as a vegetarian or vegan your idea of a meal probably includes some sort of meat product. I think they're gross lol but a good way to transition while you're learning how to prepare vegetarian and vegan food.

vnb_208

I missed the entire purpose of the thread all I want is a black bean burger with avocado right now

DananaNanas

vnb_208 wrote: »

I missed the entire purpose of the thread all I want is a black bean burger with avocado right now

Black bean burgers ARE the best