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Which animal is the most fit?
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Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet.
Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.3 -
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Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
Even a human with the intelligence of a raccoon could outdo a 'possum. Or a raccoon for that matter.1 -
Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.
Just threw it out there to point out that VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness. It is just one part of it. The men tested were all about equally fit elite endurance athletes.
What about insects? Those things can migrate thousands of kilometres and their strength is impressive. Monarch butterfly? Ants?2 -
Let's pretend for a moment that this was actually true, (but you, I and the rest of the people reading this thread know it's not what you actually meant when you posted this study) the FASTER study didn't show "VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness, " as they were not comparing measures of fitness.Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.
Just threw it out there to point out that VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness. It is just one part of it. The men tested were all about equally fit elite endurance athletes.
So let's be honest and take a look at what you originally posted about the faster study:
Hmm... Seems to me you're really trying to imply that a keto diet can increase your V02 max. And that the FASTER study supports that. Which it doesn't.You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.4 -
Let's pretend for a moment that this was actually true, (but you, I and the rest of the people reading this thread know it's not what you actually meant when you posted this study) the FASTER study didn't show "VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness, " as they were not comparing measures of fitness.Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.
Just threw it out there to point out that VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness. It is just one part of it. The men tested were all about equally fit elite endurance athletes.
So let's be honest and take a look at what you originally posted about the faster study:
Hmm... Seems to me you're really trying to imply that a keto diet can increase your V02 max. And that the FASTER study supports that. Which it doesn't.You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
I said diet can cause variation in VO2 Max. If vo2 Max is your measure of fitness, then it would look like being fat adapted helps you use energy longer/better. I did not say that is how you measure fitness.
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Let's pretend for a moment that this was actually true, (but you, I and the rest of the people reading this thread know it's not what you actually meant when you posted this study) the FASTER study didn't show "VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness, " as they were not comparing measures of fitness.Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.
Just threw it out there to point out that VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness. It is just one part of it. The men tested were all about equally fit elite endurance athletes.
So let's be honest and take a look at what you originally posted about the faster study:
Hmm... Seems to me you're really trying to imply that a keto diet can increase your V02 max. And that the FASTER study supports that. Which it doesn't.You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
I said diet can cause variation in VO2 Max. If vo2 Max is your measure of fitness, then it would look like being fat adapted helps you use energy longer/better. I did not say that is how you measure fitness.
And @johnwelk pointed out that the study does not show that.
I'd also note that a discussion about which animal is the most fit has nothing to do with whether or not keto has an effect on VO2 Max. So if your point was that VO2 Max can be affected by diet, it was off topic and comes across as yet another hijacking of a thread by the church of ketology.4 -
Agree about the rudeness of having a fun and educational thread hijacked by keto preaching. I also don't appreciate false info bring presented as if it were real.4
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Let's pretend for a moment that this was actually true, (but you, I and the rest of the people reading this thread know it's not what you actually meant when you posted this study) the FASTER study didn't show "VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness, " as they were not comparing measures of fitness.Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
From the FASTER study:
http://www.vespapower.com/the-emerging-science-on-fat-adaptation/
Except that the study you quoted doesn't say what you think it says. They weren't studying V02 max as a function of diet. They didn't measure fitness by V02 max. They were studying fat oxidation at 64% of V02 max.
And last I checked most MFP members aren't sled dogs.
Just threw it out there to point out that VO2 max is not THE measure of fitness. It is just one part of it. The men tested were all about equally fit elite endurance athletes.
So let's be honest and take a look at what you originally posted about the faster study:
Hmm... Seems to me you're really trying to imply that a keto diet can increase your V02 max. And that the FASTER study supports that. Which it doesn't.You can get a bit of variation in VO2 max if you change your diet.... Eat more like a sled dog. LCD vs higher carb diet. Diet can offer some advantage if measuring fitness by VO2 max.
I said diet can cause variation in VO2 Max. If vo2 Max is your measure of fitness, then it would look like being fat adapted helps you use energy longer/better. I did not say that is how you measure fitness.
Your still wrong, no matter how many times you repeat it, it still won't say what you want it to say. So either you were purposely trying to mislead us and got caught, or you just don't understand what you read but thought it somehow agreed with your fixed narrative and decided post it anyway. Either way it doesn't make you look good and your best bet is stop digging yourself in deeper and fess up.3 -
What about keto + vitamin D?1
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NorthCascades wrote: »We need to test a gazelle, too. Any gazelle that's alive is faster than the cheetah that was trying to eat it.
I saw a nature documentary once that said a cheetah can run full speed on three legs, and use the other one to trip a gazelle. Their jaws open to exactly the size of a gazelle neck. They can hunt other animals, but if the gazelle ever went extinct the cheetah would follow, they're so specialized.Even in the best shape, human beings are the least "fit" of all living things by almost any means of measurement or comparison.
Our only "advantage" comes from how we use our brains to overcome our physical deficiencies. Otherwise, we'd be very low on the food chain.
I wish I knew more about this kind of stuff, because it's fascinating.
We humans are pretty fragile. We're also slow. It's amazing we made it this far, through a past when other animals hunted and ate us regularly. Before we even had fitbits to tell us how fast to run to get away from hyenas!
Apparently we're the best distance runners. A horse will run a faster mile every time, but a human will run a faster marathon. Our ancestors used that to their advantage hunting.
Watched a Netflix documentary about some marathoners testing out the idea hunters could out-endure their prey, eventually.
But in their example, the prey were pretty smart and switching out fresh animals to be chased, the humans finally caught on.1 -
@NorthCascades
@heybales
It's not just larger prey that could be endurance hunted...
My Dad was evacuated from London as a child during WW2 to the countryside (as many were) and supplemented his pocket money by endurance hunting game birds.
He would chase after Pheasants which could fly quickly but not far. By continuing to run after them they would repeatedly fly away but after a while become too tired to fly.
He would then despatch them and either sell them to local butchers (who were pleased they weren't full of shot) or trade them at country pubs for pints of rough cider.3 -
I'm thinking pheasants might not be as smart either.
That's wild to have that kind of modern application - how old was he with all that running around?
Found the movie.
http://www.fairchasemovie.com/
Sadly I don't see it on Netflix anymore, but appears to be on iTunes still.1 -
I wonder how my Jack Russell would do on VO2.1
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I'm thinking pheasants might not be as smart either.
That's wild to have that kind of modern application - how old was he with all that running around?
Found the movie.
http://www.fairchasemovie.com/
Sadly I don't see it on Netflix anymore, but appears to be on iTunes still.
@heybales
Pheasants are pretty dumb. Dumb and tasty isn't a great combination for longevity!
Dad was evacuated from London during the Blitz at age 15 to the safety of Devon.
Came back at 16 and volunteered for the Army at 17.1
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