Is this true?
shay_channet
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Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
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Not at all true.
That sounds mean and bitter- I'd find a new trainer. Every little bit helps, no matter how you slip up in another area.23 -
I don't think you are ever wasting your time working out, regardless of your diet because it is still beneficial to your overall health. Weight loss however occurs mainly in the kitchen so you will not lose weight if you're overeating.12
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Thank you guys for your comments...I really needed a second opinion as that seemed not motivating at all coming from a PT. But I do agree weightloss does occur in the kitchen but to not go on a specific day due to a set back sounded crazy to me.8
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You need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. I personally think what you eat makes a difference too. I definitely don't think just because you eat bad (everything in moderation as they say! I have a cheat day once a week), doesn't mean you should skip the gym though. But your trainer is most likely just trying to give you tough love so you are not tempted to slip up.5
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It's not a healthy way to look at it. Your exercise is always "worth it", but if you're not in a calorie deficit, which is hard to do by exercise alone, you won't lose weight. Exercise for fitness, calorie deficit for weight loss.
I eat like an *kitten* hole and it doesn't make me "skip the gym" because it's not worth it. I train for physique and strength.12 -
shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
If "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean16 -
shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
I'd "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean
That's ridiculous. Someone "eating bad" and working out is going to be better off than someone "eating bad" and sitting on their kitten all day.27 -
I think it also depends on what your goals are and how "badly" you're actually eating. If you are morbidly obese and losing weight is a matter of health and quality of life... then yeah, eating poorly is wasting your time (literally your time on Earth)! But if you are in a healthy range and are talking about losing vanity pounds or just achieving a very specific fitness goal then your PT is being silly. Life is too short not to indulge every now and then. It is about balance.4
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microwhisper wrote: »I think it also depends on what your goals are and how "badly" you're actually eating. If you are morbidly obese and losing weight is a matter of health and quality of life... then yeah, eating poorly is wasting your time (literally your time on Earth)! But if you are in a healthy range and are talking about losing vanity pounds or just achieving a very specific fitness goal then your PT is being silly. Life is too short not to indulge every now and then. It is about balance.
This. Absolutely
The question is not about will the OP be better off doing this or that. The question is, is the OP wasting time.
I say if she is grossly over her calories, the answer is Yes10 -
If this means that you have two choices: (1) overeat and train and (2) do not overeat and stay in bed, then for weight loss option (2) is better. You will never outrun a bad diet.3
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Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'd get a new trainer. If you overate at the weekend, then the very BEST thing you can do is get in that gym and use up a few of those surplus calories. If you take the amount of calories you overate at the weekend and burn them off over this next week by doing a bit more in the gym, then by next week you will be back on track. For goodness sake, it's a long, slow process, it's the continuing deficit over time that loses the weight not what happened, good or bad in the odd day! Your trainer sounds like a quitter and you don't need one of those in your corner. The answer is never to just give up because you failed, you pick yourself up and get back on track no matter how often you fail. Hopefully you then learn to fail less often along the way...11
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I'm confused. What does one have to do with the other? Training increases your fitness and it does that regardless of how much you eat if you're progressing. It also burns calories, which means some of the damage done by overeating is mitigated (not to be confused with outrunning a fork). What an odd trainer. I suspect they're just frustrated with you because they are unable to get you the results you're paying for (weight loss) because you aren't doing your part. Still, that's an odd thing to say.
Even if you're training purely for the calories and eating horribly, why you're exercising does not negate the benefits of exercise. However, if you expect to lose weight purely through exercise without keeping your calories under control, then you're spinning your wheels. Most activities don't burn enough calories to offset being over by a lot.
ETA: If overeating is something that just happens occasionally then training after an episode is one of the best things you could do. I usually have awesome workouts with tangibly better performance after a high calorie day.11 -
If it's happening every weekend or whatever then I think you'd need to take a good hard look at what you're doing and work on not having a blow out as regularly. But if it's a now and then thing...well I'd be telling him to pull his head out of his backside. One slip up doesn't mean you're wasting your time imo and I think that way of thinking sabotages a lot of people when it comes to diet and exercise. Yes, you slipped up, better to get back on track as soon as possible than think "oh well, what's the point?" and not bother any more.
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shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
If "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean
Lol 3000 calories that's a bit much, "eating bad" = bad food choices (junk food over clean eating).
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shay_channet wrote: »shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
If "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean
Lol 3000 calories that's a bit much, "eating bad" = bad food choices (junk food over clean eating).
Yeah, then what your trainer said is a complete hooey. Eating "clean" has little to do with weight loss, unless it's the easiest way for the person to not overeat calories.7 -
microwhisper wrote: »I think it also depends on what your goals are and how "badly" you're actually eating. If you are morbidly obese and losing weight is a matter of health and quality of life... then yeah, eating poorly is wasting your time (literally your time on Earth)! But if you are in a healthy range and are talking about losing vanity pounds or just achieving a very specific fitness goal then your PT is being silly. Life is too short not to indulge every now and then. It is about balance.
A weight loss of 25lbs is my goal0 -
What he should have said was you cant out-train a bad diet, meaning you cant overeat everyday and expect to work it off. It is counter=productive in the long term.
That being said, working out is not a waste of time.7 -
shay_channet wrote: »shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
If "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean
Lol 3000 calories that's a bit much, "eating bad" = bad food choices (junk food over clean eating).
I eat Rice Krispie treats IN THE GYM while I'm working out. Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my effort was not wasted.10 -
shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
Don't tell your trainer anything about what you ate. Let him take care of the physical you, which is what he is educated to do. The nutritional part of you should be between you and an RD, if you choose to consult one.4 -
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I eat Rice Krispie treats IN THE GYM while I'm working out. Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my effort was not wasted.[/quote]
Toot away!! ;-)3 -
A weight loss of 25lbs is my goal
Well based on this and on your photo, in which you look like you're a healthy weight.... I'm going to go ahead and say that your PT is being a drama queen.
I don't know exactly what and how much you are eating which he considers "not clean" but at the end of the day it's your decision what you eat and how you train. Maybe it does mean slower results, but it's not really his place to guilt you over it when you are still happy and dedicated to your workouts.
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Let me tell you a little story...
When I was fairly new to running, I'd done quite a few 5k and 10k races, and most of them had oranges and bananas and water, maybe Gatorade, at the finish line. A few had donuts. And I always went for a donut, because donuts are awesome! But I do remember the first time I posted about that on MFP, I was chastised for it from someone on my friends' list. Like I was going to reverse months of hard work with that one donut. But I always thought, well, screw it. If eating a donut every now and then is going to keep me from being super-fit, then fine. I won't be super-fit. I'm ok with that.
Around Halloween, a local running store was having a Zombie 5k, with a costume "party" after. Now, most of the races I'd done were a cross section of the general population. Some really good runners, some slow runners, some walkers, some ultra-fit, some... not. This one was all The Ultra-Fit. Serious runners. Single digit body fat runners. Runners who spend $200 on sneakers instead of buying what's on clearance at Kohl's like I'd been doing.
I did the run, escaped most of the zombies, and went back to the store for the party. And ... OMG, the food! Sure, there was some bananas and oranges, but there was donuts, cake, cookies, a candy bar buffet, pizza, wings, soda (diet and regular) and beer! And the serious runners were chowing down on this stuff like you wouldn't believe!
There's room in everyone's life for some indulgences.
It sounds like your trainer is of the Jillian Michael's school of thought that shaming works. Maybe for some, but not for most. A "all or nothing" attitude is what makes most people quit. "Well, I screwed up once. Guess I can't do this." That's bull.14 -
shay_channet wrote: »shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
If "eat bad" means going 3000 cals over your daily allowance. He's right.
Giving you facts. Not mean
Lol 3000 calories that's a bit much, "eating bad" = bad food choices (junk food over clean eating).
First, I would ditch the trainer. He's giving you rubbish advice and trying to shame you for your food choices.
Second, I would ditch the food labels. Eating bad? Junk food vs clean eating? What does that even mean? It's all just food. All of it provides some benefit and while some foods are more nutrient dense and others are more calorie dense, they can all fit within the context of an overall healthy diet.
Third, I would make sure your calorie target is appropriate for your goals - with less than 25 lbs to lose you should be aiming for a loss of about 0.5 lb/week.2 -
Any PT who says eat clean or GTFO is going to have me doing the latter. What a bro douche.9
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Your trainer sounds like an *kitten*. Bye Felicia!
(Keep doing your work outs because they are part of maintaining good health, regardless of a slip up!)0 -
All my best gym days are after nice high calorie days with lots of goodies, not to mention I eat candy as my preworkout. I get adequate protein and nutrition but I don't eat anywhere near 100% clean (whatever that means) .. my gym performance is fantastic and I have had great results. The guilt of not eating perfect is behind me and I have been so much more successful since dropping that mindset.4
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shay_channet wrote: »Hi everyone, I was wondering if this held to be true. I had a set back this weekend with eating and I had a trainer tell me the more I eat bad the more I am wasting my time by training so I should just sleep in since I train in the mornings...I know nutrition has a lot to do with weight loss, but what are your opinions on this comment?
Get a new trainer. One who won't waste your time girl.2 -
How early in the morning? Do you meet your PT when you workout in the mornings?
I once had a PT who hated that I wanted to meet at 5:30am. She would cancel on me or would make snide remarks about how early it was. You might consider that it's your PT who wants to sleep in.0 -
microwhisper wrote: »
I eat Rice Krispie treats IN THE GYM while I'm working out. Not to toot my own horn but I'm pretty sure my effort was not wasted.[/quote]
Toot away!! ;-)[/quote]
Agreed1 -
How early in the morning? Do you meet your PT when you workout in the mornings?
I once had a PT who hated that I wanted to meet at 5:30am. She would cancel on me or would make snide remarks about how early it was. You might consider that it's your PT who wants to sleep in.
Time for a new trainer.0
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