Gain muscle, reduce body fat

VintageFeline

Honestly want to know how you're measuring your fat loss and lean mass gains.

anubis609

belleflop wrote: »

My argument was YOU CAN lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. The science/evidence proves this. Plugging in an extreme example of why I'm still correct makes your bro-science look silly.

You internet really well, I'll give you that. You realize that your statement IS part of the extreme example of simultaneous muscle gain and fat loss while on a deficit, yes?

Muscle gain = anabolic
Fat loss = catabolic

This is irrefutable.

OP is a novice (an extreme) on the scale of experience, where his experience with macro tracking is just starting, and his stated 6 weeks of poor training dealing with an injury (another extreme example) would put him in a position of being able to fit the factors for simultaneously gaining muscle and losing fat in a deficit.

Once he has adequately adapted beyond that initial phase and attains a level of satisfactory body compositon, with appropriate programming he will become an experienced/intermediate gym-goer where he will be among the 80% of trained individuals under the area of the curve and will have to follow phases of bulking and cutting to build muscle and shed fat, respectively. It is this majority area from where most of us "bro-science" people (nice ad-hominem there, btw) are speaking.

I don't see any extremes that lie within a majority. By definition, they wouldn't be there.

FYI I haven't purchased a thing from Lyle and it's completely unnecessary to do so since his literal thousands of posts over the decades pretty much amount to free information. On top of that, Lyle isn't the only credible source of information that supports this notion. Anyone with an understanding of biochemistry and physiological adaptation regarding hypertrophy and body composition (pick your favorite unbiased physique competitor) will tell you the same. At the same time, I don't know anyone who has put dedicated time and effort into this field as a career and hasn't tried to receive some kind of compensation for it. So... who are *you* getting your information from that they also don't sell products on the side/gain monetary value on top of giving information?

mmapags

anubis609 wrote: »

belleflop wrote: »

Again the bro-science team is out here spewing nonsense. My argument was YOU CAN lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. The science/evidence proves this. Plugging in an extreme example of why I'm still correct makes your bro-science look silly. Your lord savior Lyle McDonald does have sound advise, be sure to buy his new book on how to do it for only $40! Get real.

You internet really well, I'll give you that. You realize that your statement IS part of the extreme example of simultaneous muscle gain and fat loss while on a deficit, yes?

Muscle gain = anabolic
Fat loss = catabolic

This is irrefutable.

OP is a novice (an extreme) on the scale of experience, where his experience with macro tracking is just starting, and his stated 6 weeks of poor training dealing with an injury (another extreme example) would put him in a position of being able to fit the factors for simultaneously gaining muscle and losing fat in a deficit.

Once he has adequately adapted beyond that initial phase and attains a level of satisfactory body compositon, with appropriate programming he will become an experienced/intermediate gym-goer where he will be among the 80% of trained individuals under the area of the curve and will have to follow phases of bulking and cutting to build muscle and shed fat, respectively. It is this majority area from where most of us "bro-science" people (nice ad-hominem there, btw) are speaking.

I don't see any extremes that lie within a majority. By definition, they wouldn't be there.

FYI I haven't purchased a thing from Lyle and it's completely unnecessary to do so since his literal thousands of posts over the decades pretty much amount to free information. On top of that, Lyle isn't the only credible source of information that supports this notion. Anyone with an understanding of biochemistry and physiological adaptation regarding hypertrophy and body composition (pick your favorite unbiased physique competitor) will tell you the same. At the same time, I don't know anyone who has put dedicated time and effort into this field as a career and hasn't tried to receive some kind of compensation for it. So... who are *you* getting your information from that they also don't sell products on the side/gain monetary value on top of giving information?

QFT and all around awesomeness!