Bogus calories and macros in database
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You guise. The database doesn't work for OP. That means it's just got to go. Simple as that. All you people who have had success are just MFP shills riding on high horses.
ONE SINGLE PERSON IS HAVING DIFFICULTY, so let's nuclear option the entire site. Makes perfect sense.
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I scan where possible and use USDA in the search as a default. 20% error?? Doubt it but if so live with it. This is a results driven journey...if you are starting to fit into your skinny jeans and feel better then you are Ok. If not review.4
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When i first started logging it was a tad time consuming to find the accurate entries, but after a while i had all of my regular foods listed so they were all there at a click of a button. I tend to eat/rotate the same foods/recipes so i rarely have to look up new foods.
I buy my meat from the butcher, so no nutritional info on a label, and i buy my fruit n veg from the fruit and veg shop, again no nutritional info/label. I've managed just fine.
ETA: When in doubt, i go here https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search
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Interesting...people complaining about something that is free.....Maybe Under Armour will take on your complaint, fix the database to your satisfaction and start charging a weekly fee for use that would cost recover the time and programming needed to "clean it up" and make sure it hasn't mucked up people's past entries etc...that would be soooo much better...not.
Oh yeah and all those people in the success stories are lying..7 -
it's pretty easy to check the label vs MFP entry.6
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sunfastrose wrote: »tmoneyag99 wrote: »MFP needs to find a way to clean up their database for sure. It wouldn't be a difficult task tbh. And possibly require people to make "recipes" for themselves without adding them to the whole database. Finally, it would be smart if they got the official information from the Companies regarding retail products and delete anything that isn't an official
Clearly leave the stuff you can't get an official number on. But anything you can, you don't need to have anything else in the database. Update the database annually.
I work with large scale databases and projects to make changes - and trust me, "cleaning it up" would not be easy. For a simple example - delete all the entries in the database. Would that have a ripple effect on user's historical tracking data? Get official information from the companies regarding retail products - how many companies manufacture food in just the US, let alone worldwide. Either you have someone whose full time job is to chase down companies for this information - and what value proposition do these companies have to spend the time to provide the data in a format that MFP would use? If you are going to store user created entries independently vs. having a single source, db storage will explode (data stored 1x vs 100x) and therefore associated costs with running the site. Making db changes would most likely involve changes to the MFP web page, and there is a high likelihood that there are separate dev teams maintaining the code (different skill sets) so there's co-ordination time internally. I could easily go on...
But. But. But. The database is BOGUS! How can anyone possibly be successful with all this sketchy data!? [sarcasmfont]9 -
WinoGelato wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »tmoneyag99 wrote: »MFP needs to find a way to clean up their database for sure. It wouldn't be a difficult task tbh. And possibly require people to make "recipes" for themselves without adding them to the whole database. Finally, it would be smart if they got the official information from the Companies regarding retail products and delete anything that isn't an official
Clearly leave the stuff you can't get an official number on. But anything you can, you don't need to have anything else in the database. Update the database annually.
I work with large scale databases and projects to make changes - and trust me, "cleaning it up" would not be easy. For a simple example - delete all the entries in the database. Would that have a ripple effect on user's historical tracking data? Get official information from the companies regarding retail products - how many companies manufacture food in just the US, let alone worldwide. Either you have someone whose full time job is to chase down companies for this information - and what value proposition do these companies have to spend the time to provide the data in a format that MFP would use? If you are going to store user created entries independently vs. having a single source, db storage will explode (data stored 1x vs 100x) and therefore associated costs with running the site. Making db changes would most likely involve changes to the MFP web page, and there is a high likelihood that there are separate dev teams maintaining the code (different skill sets) so there's co-ordination time internally. I could easily go on...
But. But. But. The database is BOGUS! How can anyone possibly be successful with all this sketchy data!? [sarcasmfont]
107 lbs? More like 107 LIES!!!
(ETA: I'm weighing tomorrow and the number might read differently on the ticker. Fingers crossed for 108 lies!)10 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »tmoneyag99 wrote: »MFP needs to find a way to clean up their database for sure. It wouldn't be a difficult task tbh. And possibly require people to make "recipes" for themselves without adding them to the whole database. Finally, it would be smart if they got the official information from the Companies regarding retail products and delete anything that isn't an official
Clearly leave the stuff you can't get an official number on. But anything you can, you don't need to have anything else in the database. Update the database annually.
I work with large scale databases and projects to make changes - and trust me, "cleaning it up" would not be easy. For a simple example - delete all the entries in the database. Would that have a ripple effect on user's historical tracking data? Get official information from the companies regarding retail products - how many companies manufacture food in just the US, let alone worldwide. Either you have someone whose full time job is to chase down companies for this information - and what value proposition do these companies have to spend the time to provide the data in a format that MFP would use? If you are going to store user created entries independently vs. having a single source, db storage will explode (data stored 1x vs 100x) and therefore associated costs with running the site. Making db changes would most likely involve changes to the MFP web page, and there is a high likelihood that there are separate dev teams maintaining the code (different skill sets) so there's co-ordination time internally. I could easily go on...
But. But. But. The database is BOGUS! How can anyone possibly be successful with all this sketchy data!? [sarcasmfont]
107 lbs? More like 107 LIES!!!
I'll see your 107 lies and raise ya...
I've apparently got 132 lies...
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Yes I understand all of that. But you didn't answer the question. The MFP database is so polluted with bogus numbers that it's really not usable. It's no wonder there are so many failure stories in the community here. I'm searching for a RELIABLE source of data to track calories and macros. Even something as simple as a boneless pork center cut chop has numbers listed in the MFP database that vary up to 100 cals. The folks entering the data are really screwing up the database.
I would like to be within 50 or so cals per day. Meaning, if an item is off 5 or 10 cals I don't sweat it. But the database here is so full of bogus numbers that I don't trust any of it. If a food has a nutrition data label I use that. But most meats don't have a label thus the need for a reliable source.
Use the USDA entries. Search for whatever it is you want with, for example, 'USDA pork raw', and tada! There is is. You should be able to find all whole foods that way, everything else you can get the info from the packet. Create your own entries for those things if you must.
Yes, the database is full of appalling entries, but it's really not that hard to work around if you care to do so. Once you've added something to your diary, it's there in your recent foods list for future use.
Did what you said. "usda pork center cut chops boneless raw"......only looked at USDA listings......8 listings then I quit because it was quite scary.
Highest....Cal 239....Carbs 1g....Pro 24g....Fat 16g
Lowest.....Cal 130....Carbs 0g....Pro 20g....Fat 5g
There is no way anyone can accurately track calories and macros using this database. I feel sorry for people that are struggling with their progress not knowing that they're using bogus numbers from the MFP database.
The whole database needs to go away. Pure rubbish! Shame on MFP for not taking an active role on cleaning this up. Advertising money aside, they should show some integrity and clean up their act.
i'm thinking maybe you should just go get a cheeseburger and give up. maybe a shake too. either that or quit whining and do some research.6 -
J9LynnHelton wrote: »I do understand what you are saying though. Everyone is always advising others to weigh your food to be sure you are accurate on portion size. But if the calorie database of foods are inaccurate then being accurate on measuring is rather moot. Then we are told to only aim for a 500 calorie deficit, but are told that the exercise calories are over estimated. Sometimes it feels like you are throwing darts.
That said I consistently have been losing 1.5 to 2 pounds a week.
I didn't mean to sound negative. My point was despite these challenges, I could still lose 1.5 to pounds a week using this app.2 -
I look at my earliest entries and cringe at their inaccuracies but guess what? I was still losing weight successfully. Why? Because in the early days when you have so much to lose your accuracy doesn't need to be as accurate to get good results. As you get closer to your goal and then maintenance you have gained to knowledge of finding the most accurate entries. Because of this I never plateaued. Secondly, those entries could be higher or lower than the actual amounts from the USDA database which means it will most likely come close to evening out anyway. I have looked at other apps and can not find one anywhere near to the standard of this one, both with the set up, data entries and the community. In fact, My Plate is probably the most similar app to this and even many in their community use this app for calorie counting but prefer that community as they are mainly a low carb and IF sort out like minded crowd.4
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Use one of these!
Generally found somewhere on the packaging.
Cross-reference it with what you found on the MFP database and if you find it is incorrect, then you can edit it.
If it is a restaurant or take-out you can usually find the nutritional information on their website. Again cross reference it with what you found of MFP or you can add it in yourself.
No sweat.
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In addition to above great advice regarding label - when you do have to correct it - you can add that ever so useful (XX g) to the serving size.
I know it doesn't matter when actually using the product and you have a scale there and label to look at - but it is nice when an entry mentions the more accurate grams in a serving.2 -
I have a lovely vintage book called "The Complete Calorie Counter." It has every food item you could think of and nobody can edit it. If you twisted my arm you could probably convince me to sell it to you for $25.99 + shipping. I might even throw in a pencil and a paper.2
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