First day on keto

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  • Lois_1989
    Lois_1989 Posts: 6,410 Member
    Sorry the US one is a bit big :#
  • Lois_1989
    Lois_1989 Posts: 6,410 Member
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    Lois_1989 wrote: »
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    rfrenkel77 wrote: »
    I just looked up soy milk nutrition , if it's unsweetened, it still has 2 things going against it in my humble opinion.. one, the fat to protein ratio is backwards, two, a cup of soy milk will put you at about 15g carbs. That's pretty close to daily 20g total, 3 cherry tomatoes and you are over, right. So I personally would not use this product. Of course it's way lower carb compared to milk, everything is relative. Have you looked at unsweetened almond milk? It looks better stat wise then soy...And here is another danger in my mind, both of these products are tasteless and bland. Because of the manufacturing process, they may sneak some sweetener in the ingredients. So you must check ingredients too.

    Almond milk is not available in my area. Another question, I want to use this desiccated coconut. In the nutritional facts fiber is greater than the carbs so does it mean it has negative carbs? Also, do I have to subtract fiber from carbs?

    Ah I saw this before with Chia Seeds. No, its not negative carbs, it just means that the fibre has already been taken out of the carb total.

    ETA Generally in Europe and England our fibre has already been taken out of the carb total on the nutritional info on packets. It's just fruit and veg you can take the fibre away.

    Disappointing, I know. :cry:

    Also, Do you have Koko? It's a coconut milk alternative. Still pretty low.

    Can you send a pic of that? I'll try to find it on stores. Thanks

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  • Tsoggo
    Tsoggo Posts: 114 Member
    Lois_1989 wrote: »
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    Lois_1989 wrote: »
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    rfrenkel77 wrote: »
    I just looked up soy milk nutrition , if it's unsweetened, it still has 2 things going against it in my humble opinion.. one, the fat to protein ratio is backwards, two, a cup of soy milk will put you at about 15g carbs. That's pretty close to daily 20g total, 3 cherry tomatoes and you are over, right. So I personally would not use this product. Of course it's way lower carb compared to milk, everything is relative. Have you looked at unsweetened almond milk? It looks better stat wise then soy...And here is another danger in my mind, both of these products are tasteless and bland. Because of the manufacturing process, they may sneak some sweetener in the ingredients. So you must check ingredients too.

    Almond milk is not available in my area. Another question, I want to use this desiccated coconut. In the nutritional facts fiber is greater than the carbs so does it mean it has negative carbs? Also, do I have to subtract fiber from carbs?

    Ah I saw this before with Chia Seeds. No, its not negative carbs, it just means that the fibre has already been taken out of the carb total.

    ETA Generally in Europe and England our fibre has already been taken out of the carb total on the nutritional info on packets. It's just fruit and veg you can take the fibre away.

    Disappointing, I know. :cry:

    Also, Do you have Koko? It's a coconut milk alternative. Still pretty low.

    Can you send a pic of that? I'll try to find it on stores. Thanks

    w6au9kz5d21t.jpg

    Thank you so much
  • Lois_1989
    Lois_1989 Posts: 6,410 Member
    No problem! :):+1:
  • boulank
    boulank Posts: 51 Member
    azn_played_awt wrote: »
    If you guys want some keto recipe watch Remington James YouTube videos on his keto diet meal plans. He tells you every ingredients and the macros in it too as well as how to meal plan everything. I would recommend to follow him on all his YouTube keto videos.

    Love Remington he has awesome plans <3
  • Tsoggo
    Tsoggo Posts: 114 Member
    Just a thought, can I have a low carb, moderate fat, and high protein diet? So my body fat can be used as ketones. Or it doesn't work that way? I'm pretty fat guy about nearly 30% body fat
  • Tsoggo
    Tsoggo Posts: 114 Member
    Plus it's really hard to consume all that fat xD
  • rfrenkel77
    rfrenkel77 Posts: 103 Member
    What's the purpose of high protein? It's a building block, not a ready fuel source. Carbs and fat are ready fuel sources. Pick one or the other. Ether low carb or low fat. You don't want to use them together, body uses carbs first and stores the fat. If you low carb and high protein, it will convert protein into sugar. You are not gaining any advantage. As I mentioned before, eating fatty cuts of meat will take care of much fat and all protein. You don't have to worry about protein.
  • rfrenkel77
    rfrenkel77 Posts: 103 Member
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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    edited September 2017
    rfrenkel77 wrote: »
    What's the purpose of high protein? It's a building block, not a ready fuel source. Carbs and fat are ready fuel sources. Pick one or the other. Ether low carb or low fat. You don't want to use them together, body uses carbs first and stores the fat. If you low carb and high protein, it will convert protein into sugar. You are not gaining any advantage. As I mentioned before, eating fatty cuts of meat will take care of much fat and all protein. You don't have to worry about protein.

    Not exactly. You don't have to go either low carb or low fat. You can definitely go anywhere in between. And the body doesn't typically use carbs first, but rather will use either carbs or fats during on activity level. In the case of things like sleeping or sitting (not active), fat becomes the primary source. During levels of increase oxygen needs, glycogen will become the primary energy source. And realistically, if any diet has an advantage, it is a higher protein based diet since it's a thermogenic, it supports muscle maintenance and maintenance of metabolism. In fact, it's advised to get between 1.5 to 2.2g/kg of weight during weight loss. Of course, what a good amount is, would be dependent on training and leanness. If you train and become leaner, the more protein you need. Too little protein and you will increase muscle loss. And muscle is what makes a person lean.I would agree though, a high protein/low carb/low fat (aka a bro-tein diet) based diet isn't beneficial, but it's not because our bodies will convert it to sugar (which btw, we can convert fats to glucose through glucenogenesis), it's because protein is very metabolically taxing and a terrible energy source. Which is why bodybuilders who follow this old diet struggle with energy levels.


    ETA: people feel like crap when going keto isn't due to sugar withdraw, it's from electrolyte imbalances like @nvmomketo suggested.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    Also I'm going for less than 50g carbs a day. Should I go for less than 20g?

    Keto has a pretty big range and depends on several factors. I know people in ketosis at 200g of carbs a day. But generally, 20 to 50g is a good range. The more sedentary you are, the lower you might need to be.

    But then again, it comes down to, what are your goals.
  • astrocosmiczoom
    astrocosmiczoom Posts: 86 Member
    Carb flu is real. Sugar withdrawal is real. Happens to me every time I do a Whole30.
  • rfrenkel77
    rfrenkel77 Posts: 103 Member
    edited September 2017
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  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,426 MFP Moderator
    rfrenkel77 wrote: »
    Psu you putting out much confusing info for beginners. Basic guideline is to keep carb intake low as possible 20g. Which is easily covered by nuts and salad. Every thing else is high fat meats and oil. And protein you get from meat. Simple.

    Correcting misinformation is not making it confusing. Telling someone they need to hit 20g of carbs or less to hit ketosis is wrong. It is far more of a range than you descibe.

    If the OP finds it easier to achieve at 50g vs 20g, then great, especially if it enhances complaince. Heck, the OP wants, they can start at 50g and taper as they see fit. Either way, the only thing that matters for weight loss is calories.

    If a person experiences cramping, flu like symptoms or headaches, then increase sodium, magnesium and potassium (supplement if needed) or get some ketoaid/broth.
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
    jadebuniel wrote: »
    Just a thought, can I have a low carb, moderate fat, and high protein diet? So my body fat can be used as ketones. Or it doesn't work that way? I'm pretty fat guy about nearly 30% body fat

    You can eat what you like. Keto is not magical, and is not necessary for weight loss. Calorie deficit is necessary, and how you fill your calories is up to you. To be honest, it doesn't sound from your posts that the keto way of eating works for you. Carbs are not evil, stressing about fruit and vegetables is ridiculous, as is avoiding food you enjoy (that could easily be fit in to your calories) for the sake of "being in ketosis".

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