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Proposal to raise entry fees in popular national parks

NorthCascades
NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

▪ Arches National Park, Utah

▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

▪ Yosemite National Park, California

▪ Zion National Park, Utah
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  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Open for comments at parkplanning.nps.gov
    Comment period closes Nov 23, 2017 at 11:59 PM Mountain Time
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    I think it's fine. I assume they put some thought/research into the dollar amounts, but if it means their revenue goes up, and thus the money they can put back into the park, I'm good with it. If it means a little less traffic, all the better.

    If it's an arbitrary increase, or the added revenue isn't going back into the park (or related programs), then I'm not so sure...
  • blondie_mfp
    blondie_mfp Posts: 62 Member
    wow, that's quite steep. I live near shenandoah, and I would refuse to go hiking there if it cost me $70/trip.

    I wonder if the annual passes would rise proportionately as well?

    I'm not sure about the trump conspiracy theory, but nothing really surprises me anymore (I've lived in DC for too long I guess). I do agree that national parks should be accessible for all, though.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I think it's fine. I assume they put some thought/research into the dollar amounts, but if it means their revenue goes up, and thus the money they can put back into the park, I'm good with it. If it means a little less traffic, all the better.

    If it's an arbitrary increase, or the added revenue isn't going back into the park (or related programs), then I'm not so sure...

    Currently the estimated maintenance backlog for the National Park Service is $11.9 Billion dollars.

    Craig Sailor, reporting for The News Tribune wrote: “The nearly $200 million collected in entrance fees could climb to $268 million, the government estimated.” (This assumes a reduction in visits.)

    $68 million dollars doesn't even begin to put a dent in the $11.9 Billion dollar maintenance backlog.

    But it triples the entry fees at America’s most popular national parks and prices many people and families out.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    I agree.
  • mltrainer1
    mltrainer1 Posts: 5 Member
    It costs $90 to go to Disney World, per person! So $70 per vehicle is not exorbitant. It costs a lot to maintain the parks and I would rather pay at the door than run my money through a bunch of bureaucrats.
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    Agree...on all fronts.
  • BruinsGal_91
    BruinsGal_91 Posts: 1,400 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    Totally agree.
  • kbmnurse
    kbmnurse Posts: 2,484 Member
    Terrible. Guess I will stay away.
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    Yup. I'd certainly be willing to contribute my share in taxes to support the no entrance fee, if I thought for a New York minute the money was actually going to be used for that purpose. It's a real shame the people who most need relief from overcrowded housing and lack of open space are the people who seem to be the most disposable in these situations.
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    mltrainer1 wrote: »
    It costs $90 to go to Disney World, per person! So $70 per vehicle is not exorbitant. It costs a lot to maintain the parks and I would rather pay at the door than run my money through a bunch of bureaucrats.

    Disney world is a privately owned business. Not land owned by the people paying for the privilege of walking on it.

    I think the increase seems a bit steep for a one-shot increase. But the price also seems a bit disproportionate at the current rate given that I pay almost 1/2 that to visit my local state parks (and they are nice but nothing compared the parks mentioned).

    It seems more prudent to just get an annual pass (it looked like that wasn’t increasing?) and then all the parks lose revenue.

    All in all, I’m in agreement with full government funding of government owned land. But that’s not really an option here. It’s a little sad since it does seem like it may price people out of being able to visit.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

    http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

    During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

    These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

    ▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

    ▪ Arches National Park, Utah

    ▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

    ▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

    ▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

    ▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

    ▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

    ▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

    ▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

    ▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

    ▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

    ▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

    ▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

    ▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Yosemite National Park, California

    ▪ Zion National Park, Utah

    I'd be good with this if there was a way to get some sort of subsidy for it to those who are very low income. I'd hate to shut out an entire income bracket from being able to see our national treasures. That said there is a balance between being free and running out of money to sustain the parks and charging so much that large swaths of the population can no longer see them. Just not sure where that balance is but some sort of graded pay system seems like a good idea.

    the balance is fund them fully from the top down and don't charge people a nickle to enjoy them. That's the balance.

    Ideally yes. Pragmatically what do we do to ensure there are still parks 3 years from now when we might have a chance pushing for such legislation?
  • celiah909
    celiah909 Posts: 141 Member
    From what I saw the annual cost would remain the same -- I believe it is around $75-$85. I also think with the cuts they got from this administration I am not sure what people thought would happen.
    I do hope they keep the program that gives all 4th graders a free pass for a year to the National Parks.
  • maryannprt
    maryannprt Posts: 152 Member
    mltrainer1 wrote: »
    It costs $90 to go to Disney World, per person! So $70 per vehicle is not exorbitant. It costs a lot to maintain the parks and I would rather pay at the door than run my money through a bunch of bureaucrats.

    I don't own Disneyland.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    mltrainer1 wrote: »
    It costs $90 to go to Disney World, per person!

    Disney World is private property, owned by someone else. National Parks belong to everybody. That's not flowery pose.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    I get an annual park pass, so it wouldn't change for me. Having said that, I agree that more money should be allocated from the general fund so that poor people are not prevented from visiting.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

    http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

    During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

    These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

    ▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

    ▪ Arches National Park, Utah

    ▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

    ▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

    ▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

    ▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

    ▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

    ▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

    ▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

    ▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

    ▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

    ▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

    ▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

    ▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Yosemite National Park, California

    ▪ Zion National Park, Utah

    I'd be good with this if there was a way to get some sort of subsidy for it to those who are very low income. I'd hate to shut out an entire income bracket from being able to see our national treasures. That said there is a balance between being free and running out of money to sustain the parks and charging so much that large swaths of the population can no longer see them. Just not sure where that balance is but some sort of graded pay system seems like a good idea.

    the balance is fund them fully from the top down and don't charge people a nickle to enjoy them. That's the balance.

    Ideally yes. Pragmatically what do we do to ensure there are still parks 3 years from now when we might have a chance pushing for such legislation?

    Vote against anyone who supported cutting the funding.

    I concur.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

    http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

    During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

    These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

    ▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

    ▪ Arches National Park, Utah

    ▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

    ▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

    ▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

    ▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

    ▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

    ▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

    ▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

    ▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

    ▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

    ▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

    ▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

    ▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Yosemite National Park, California

    ▪ Zion National Park, Utah

    I'd be good with this if there was a way to get some sort of subsidy for it to those who are very low income. I'd hate to shut out an entire income bracket from being able to see our national treasures. That said there is a balance between being free and running out of money to sustain the parks and charging so much that large swaths of the population can no longer see them. Just not sure where that balance is but some sort of graded pay system seems like a good idea.

    the balance is fund them fully from the top down and don't charge people a nickle to enjoy them. That's the balance.

    Ideally yes. Pragmatically what do we do to ensure there are still parks 3 years from now when we might have a chance pushing for such legislation?

    Vote against anyone who supported cutting the funding.

    this. There's literally an election next year where the entire House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate are up for reelection.

    Hopefully those parks are not destroyed already from drilling and mining by next year.
  • jdlobb
    jdlobb Posts: 1,232 Member
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

    http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

    During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

    These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

    ▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

    ▪ Arches National Park, Utah

    ▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

    ▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

    ▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

    ▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

    ▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

    ▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

    ▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

    ▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

    ▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

    ▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

    ▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

    ▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Yosemite National Park, California

    ▪ Zion National Park, Utah

    I'd be good with this if there was a way to get some sort of subsidy for it to those who are very low income. I'd hate to shut out an entire income bracket from being able to see our national treasures. That said there is a balance between being free and running out of money to sustain the parks and charging so much that large swaths of the population can no longer see them. Just not sure where that balance is but some sort of graded pay system seems like a good idea.

    the balance is fund them fully from the top down and don't charge people a nickle to enjoy them. That's the balance.

    Ideally yes. Pragmatically what do we do to ensure there are still parks 3 years from now when we might have a chance pushing for such legislation?

    Vote against anyone who supported cutting the funding.

    I concur.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    jdlobb wrote: »
    Aaron_K123 wrote: »
    I'd love to hear what people think of this. So would the park service; if you have strong feelings, the comment period is still open.

    http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/article180651396.html

    During that time period i]peak summer visitation season[/i, the entry fee would increase from the current $25 to $70 per vehicle. Motorcycles would be charged $50 instead of the current $20, and a walk-in or bicycle fee would jump from $10 to $30.

    These are the 17 national parks being considered for entrance-fee increases during peak visitor months in 2018.

    ▪ Acadia National Park, Maine

    ▪ Arches National Park, Utah

    ▪ Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah

    ▪ Canyonlands National Park, Utah

    ▪ Denali National Park, Alaska

    ▪ Glacier National Park, Montana

    ▪ Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona

    ▪ Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Joshua Tree National Park, California

    ▪ Mount Rainier National Park, Washington

    ▪ Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado

    ▪ Olympic National Park, Washington

    ▪ Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Park, California

    ▪ Shenandoah National Park, Virginia

    ▪ Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming

    ▪ Yosemite National Park, California

    ▪ Zion National Park, Utah

    I'd be good with this if there was a way to get some sort of subsidy for it to those who are very low income. I'd hate to shut out an entire income bracket from being able to see our national treasures. That said there is a balance between being free and running out of money to sustain the parks and charging so much that large swaths of the population can no longer see them. Just not sure where that balance is but some sort of graded pay system seems like a good idea.

    the balance is fund them fully from the top down and don't charge people a nickle to enjoy them. That's the balance.

    Ideally yes. Pragmatically what do we do to ensure there are still parks 3 years from now when we might have a chance pushing for such legislation?

    Vote against anyone who supported cutting the funding.

    this. There's literally an election next year where the entire House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate are up for reelection.

    Hopefully those parks are not destroyed already from drilling and mining by next year.

    fortunately, there's a lot of parks, but there will be loses.
  • youngmomtaz
    youngmomtaz Posts: 1,075 Member
    I am in Canada and would be outraged if those were the proposed prices for entry in our parks! Our governments waste so much money and give so much away that the costs should stay low. I fear if they are raised to that then the fears of a previous poster would be true, and the land would be sold and razed.
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    Totally agree.
    jdlobb wrote: »
    worth noting. the trump administration just CUT a massive amount of funding for these parks, hence the need for increased admission fees. This entire scheme is a bid to reduce the number of people going to the parks, let them turn to crap, and then be able to sell off the land to private companies for mining, logging, drilling, and development.

    My opinion? National parks should be 110% funded by the federal government, and shouldn't have any admission fees at all. I can think of a hell of a lot of worse ways the government can spend my tax dollars than supporting national parks.

    Totally agree.

    +1
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,565 Member
    g_poleman wrote: »
    Govt does not fund anything. It simply steals money from people (taxes) and then spends it however they feel. So lots of you feel the "govt" should maintain parks. Well what do you say to people who are not able to go to those parks??? Should they be paying for your hikes??? I for one don't care about your hikes. But I will play along. I will pay taxes to pay for your hikes if you pay for my food bill each week. How would you feel about that trade?? Also as for you anti Trump people - I went to Acadia in 2014 under Obama. Guess what - they charged money for things. So please don't bring your personal politics into this as though one side is saintly and the other side evil.

    I don't go to the Smithsonian or the National Zoo, yet those places are paid for by me and don't charge admission, and are maintained by the federal government. I feel as though our National Parks deserve the same.

    +1