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Is CICO the new Keto?
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5076033/Internet-goes-mad-latest-diet-CICO-regime.html
The new It diet - the CICO diet - is a model of the old calories in calories out
It has proven popular on Reddit forums in recent weeks, as people eulogise it
FEMAIL spoke to Sydney-based nutritionist and dietitian, Lyndi Cohen, about it
She said that while CICO might work, it also isn't highly safe or sustainable
Ms Cohen said CICO encourages you to become obsessed with numbers
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They had a chance to write an article about the science behind CICO but instead report this drivel.
The new It diet - the CICO diet - is a model of the old calories in calories out
It has proven popular on Reddit forums in recent weeks, as people eulogise it
FEMAIL spoke to Sydney-based nutritionist and dietitian, Lyndi Cohen, about it
She said that while CICO might work, it also isn't highly safe or sustainable
Ms Cohen said CICO encourages you to become obsessed with numbers
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They had a chance to write an article about the science behind CICO but instead report this drivel.
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And a dietitian saying your body goes in to starvation mode
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I'm torn between "I want to hit someone" and "what did you expect"
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kommodevaran wrote: »I'm torn between "I want to hit someone" and "what did you expect"
This is bad even for it being in the Daily Fail.
I'm with I want to hit her and the editor.3 -
Damn you. You made me give traffic to the Daily Mail! I wanted to laugh at the craziness!2
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Where did this dietitian study?
It seen to me, they all know only one thing "veggie, fruit, junk food, bla bla".
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The advice to 'fill up on fruits and vegetables' works for some birds, but the 800 lb gorilla* in the room fills up on fruits and vegetables, and weighs 800 lb.
* Gorillas don't actually weigh 800 lb. They're closer to 250 lb and can rip a human to pieces.8 -
... is this... is this a joke? Is it a spoof article like the Onion? Because this can’t be real. The amount of straight up crazy is just... is this a joke?8
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MsHarryWinston wrote: »... is this... is this a joke? Is it a spoof article like the Onion? Because this can’t be real. The amount of straight up crazy is just... is this a joke?
Unfortunately no, but it is the Daily Fail, so It's like the onion, but they don't know they're not connected to reality9 -
Weird, the same thing popped up in my feeds this morning from other sites. The Yahoo byline seems to be the first one, but no author is attributed. There's a theme here: the "sudden" popularity on Reddit and the assumption that anyone using CICO is eating mostly junk.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/diet-blowing-reddit-why-nutritionists-231701026.html
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.amp.html2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »MsHarryWinston wrote: »... is this... is this a joke? Is it a spoof article like the Onion? Because this can’t be real. The amount of straight up crazy is just... is this a joke?
Unfortunately no, but it is the Daily Fail, so It's like the onion, but they don't know they're not connected to reality
I feel like by reading the article I got stupider. Stupider? More stupid? What’s the proper grammar here? Oh my god, it’s happening already!!! Nooooooo!28 -
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »MsHarryWinston wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »MsHarryWinston wrote: »... is this... is this a joke? Is it a spoof article like the Onion? Because this can’t be real. The amount of straight up crazy is just... is this a joke?
Unfortunately no, but it is the Daily Fail, so It's like the onion, but they don't know they're not connected to reality
I feel like by reading the article I got stupider. Stupider? More stupid? What’s the proper grammar here? Oh my god, it’s happening already!!! Nooooooo!
Hey. ...at least now you can write for them...
A few more iq points lost and you can be the editor
Ok the hilarious thing about your post is that I’m actually a professional writer (a novelist) so your post sent a chill of horror down my spine that I can’t even begin to describe! Lol!
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The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.1
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Weird, the same thing popped up in my feeds this morning from other sites. The Yahoo byline seems to be the first one, but no author is attributed. There's a theme here: the "sudden" popularity on Reddit and the assumption that anyone using CICO is eating mostly junk.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/diet-blowing-reddit-why-nutritionists-231701026.html
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2017/11/12/most-popular-weight-loss-diet-on-reddit-would-never-be-recommended-by-nutritionists.amp.html
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'Daily Mail' and 'Femail'. Two things that are guaranteed to make my blood boil, and that's without even clicking on the link.5
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I have so many negative things to say about this article... but i would be banned from the internet if i said them lol
But... as a heads up... be prepared for people to use this fail as proof for their arguments when they want to prove CICO doesn't work for everyone.5 -
From the subheaders:It has proven popular on Reddit forums in recent weeks, as people eulogise it
To eulogise/eulogize (UK vs US spelling conventions, so to be clear, I know that, at least, it's not a typo) does mean to praise, but it refers specifically to the praise one affords a deceased at their funeral. It's like when I was in grade 5 and checked a thesaurus for synonyms for 'murder' (we were supposed to try writing whodunnit mysteries) and found 'immolate' and used it. My murder victim was strangled...
Fire the editor!
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So I clicked through on the yahoo link posted later in the thread, and if it's any consolation, most of the comments below the article are pro-CICO and pointing out the obvious fallacies. I mean there's some derp down there of course, but the majority sound like our people.4
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amusedmonkey wrote: »The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.
She is scarily a dietitian according to the article.1 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.
She is scarily a dietitian according to the article.
Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola are doctors too. Titles don't mean anything. Dietitians can be woo peddlers too (as evidenced by that article). What a load of *kitten*.
[ETA:] And I thought Intermittent Fasting was the new Keto. It has just about the same amount of magical pseudoscientific woo claims going for it.6 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.
She is scarily a dietitian according to the article.
Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola are doctors too. Titles don't mean anything. Dietitians can be woo peddlers too (as evidenced by that article). What a load of *kitten*.
[ETA:] And I thought Intermittent Fasting was the new Keto. It has just about the same amount of magical pseudoscientific woo claims going for it.
Daily Fail love the 5:2 diet though, the "doctor" (who is a doctor but has actually been a journalist for most of his career) is on their payroll I think. So they're all about singing that particular fads' praises.4 -
Unsurprisingly, Dave Asprey (Mr. Bulletproof Derp, errrr, Coffee) shared this on his website also, with his own take on how "CICO doesn't work". It was shared and widely mocked/derided in a couple of the evidence-based FB fitness/nutrition groups I follow.4
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VintageFeline wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.
She is scarily a dietitian according to the article.
Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola are doctors too. Titles don't mean anything. Dietitians can be woo peddlers too (as evidenced by that article). What a load of *kitten*.
[ETA:] And I thought Intermittent Fasting was the new Keto. It has just about the same amount of magical pseudoscientific woo claims going for it.
Daily Fail love the 5:2 diet though, the "doctor" (who is a doctor but has actually been a journalist for most of his career) is on their payroll I think. So they're all about singing that particular fads' praises.
@VintageFeline
When the 5:2 diet came out the Daily Mail were very much against it - well thought out editorials like ohmygodyougonna die if you don't eat for a few hours!
And then as the popularity increased they flipped their stance and were all for it and serialised the book.
It's all about headlines and readership.
As for the CICO "article" I was quite reassured they had to go all the way to the other side of the world to find a dietician quite so dopey.
The pictures were really helpful, now I know what fruit looks like!
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VintageFeline wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The article makes perfect sense. The "nutritionist" has something to sell, so it's basically an ad piece.
She is scarily a dietitian according to the article.
Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola are doctors too. Titles don't mean anything. Dietitians can be woo peddlers too (as evidenced by that article). What a load of *kitten*.
[ETA:] And I thought Intermittent Fasting was the new Keto. It has just about the same amount of magical pseudoscientific woo claims going for it.
Daily Fail love the 5:2 diet though, the "doctor" (who is a doctor but has actually been a journalist for most of his career) is on their payroll I think. So they're all about singing that particular fads' praises.
@VintageFeline
When the 5:2 diet came out the Daily Mail were very much against it - well thought out editorials like ohmygodyougonna die if you don't eat for a few hours!
And then as the popularity increased they flipped their stance and were all for it and serialised the book.
It's all about headlines and readership.
As for the CICO "article" I was quite reassured they had to go all the way to the other side of the world to find a dietician quite so dopey.
The pictures were really helpful, now I know what fruit looks like!
Ah. I don't follow DM that closely, my contempt is too strong but I do enjoy their daily completely contradictory diet articles from various trainers and nutritionists. Nearly all of them utter nonsense.1 -
I don't see what's so horrible about the article. In many cases, it's very similar to many MFP threads (maybe THAT'S what's so horrible about the article) - most of the points made do have some merit, but the lack of context is the problem.
Yes, there are some buzzwords/clickbait/hot buttons in there to generate reaction, but that doesn't invalidate the points being made. Chances are, the people who did the interview and edited the article don't know enough about health/diet/weight loss to know (or care) when they are misleading vs misinforming vs helping vs hurting the reader.4 -
I don't see what's so horrible about the article. In many cases, it's very similar to many MFP threads (maybe THAT'S what's so horrible about the article) - most of the points made do have some merit, but the lack of context is the problem.
Yes, there are some buzzwords/clickbait/hot buttons in there to generate reaction, but that doesn't invalidate the points being made. Chances are, the people who did the interview and edited the article don't know enough about health/diet/weight loss to know (or care) when they are misleading vs misinforming vs helping vs hurting the reader.
Can you elaborate? Hard to counter/agree without specifics.0
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