Convince me about keto
muncymissy
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I’ve heard a lot of success stories about the keto diet, and I have spoken to doctors and nutritionists that day this diet is horrible for you. So tell me how to eat my nutrients on the keto diet. How is that much fat good for my body. I don’t want to know why it helps someone lose weight. I want proof that it is a healthy diet - good for you.
Then tell me all the success stories of people who stopped the diet and ate healthy foods and kept the weight off. I really want to know.
Then tell me all the success stories of people who stopped the diet and ate healthy foods and kept the weight off. I really want to know.
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Keto helps people lose weight if it puts them in a calorie deficit. No special diet is necessary, fat and carbs don't matter for weight loss. As long as you burn more calories than you take in, you will lose weight. Why over-complicate your life? Just eat the foods you like while staying within your calorie goal.19
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You'd probably get better info on this by going into some of the Keto groups here. You can search to find many posts about this subject.
Why do you want others to convince you that the diet is healthy whatever that means?4 -
Why don't you believe the doctors and nutritionist(s)?
I personally think it sounds awful. I don't do well without ice cream. Or bread. Or pasta, etc.16 -
Whether it is healthy or not depends on what you choose to eat. IMO, it can be, yeah, but I don't see a reason to convince you -- there's no particular need for you to do it unless you think it would be helpful. I know keto success stories, but many, many non-keto success stories also, of course.9
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It makes no difference tbh but I'd seriously question adherence with such a restrictive regiment. It's probably the most overlooked factor by dieters every time. PLEASE. CONSIDER. ADHERENCE. for the amount of time it will take you to reach your goal, and into maintenance.4
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I never understand why anyone would want to do something they need to be talked into. Sounds like it is something that doesn't fit with your goals or whatever so why even bother with it?16
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I believe it can be perfectly healthy provided that you don't rely overly much on processed meats and are sure to eat at the upper ranges of carbohydrates you can and still remain in ketosis. Being active raises how many carbs you can eat on a ketogenic diet, btw. I would encourage this. I'm a firm believer in the healthfulness of vegetables and their importance in the diet.
I know that there is mixed evidence regarding saturated fat, and I personally have issues with it medically. I think you can find balance eating keto without going overboard on sat fat, because there are still plenty of sources of healthy fat like avocado, oily fish, olives and olive oil, nuts, and seeds.
Saying all of that, there's nothing special about keto unless the food choices available on the diet suit your preferences and you find them filling.
A dietary regimen that you find satisfying is one that you will stick to. The biggest issue is ... what are you planning on doing once you lose your weight? If you implement ketogenic eating to lose weight, do you plan on continuing to eat that way? Do you understand the fundamentals of energy balance that underlie all diets? Because they will govern your weight maintenance.
The food choice on keto isn't some "secret" behind why it works. It works because for some people, fat satiates them and they find it easy to maintain a calorie deficit eating that way. It's nothing more complicated than that.12 -
I have been keto for over a year now. I am absolutely not going to attempt to convince you of anything.
CICO still applies. I chose this way of eating because I like it. I finally figured out that for ME it wasn't the pastas and breads or grains I liked, it was the stuff on TOP of it that I liked. Those other things were just carriers for the good stuff. By themselves, they did nothing for me. Now I have just replaced those things with veggies of different varieties. This helped control the CI much better for ME.
As far as my doctor, he is happy as a clam with me and my labs. He will readily admit that his knowledge of nutrition isn't the best though.
Hope you find something sustainable for yourself that makes you happy and content!
**As always YYMV. This post reflects my personal experience Yours may differ. I am not a doctor.***11 -
Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
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gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.7 -
For me it helps me be in control of what I eat. When I think of carb I would eat mostly junk food, now that I cut carb out aka "junks" I'm more aware of what I put in my body. And when I do crave carb I opt for the healthy carb and eat brown rice or potatoes and lots of vegetables and not feel bad about eating those! Also on keto because eating less junk I don't crave junks as much either. Do whatever works for you.0
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Athena98501 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.
There's no troll smiley so this will have to do.
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gearhead426hemi wrote: »Athena98501 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.
There's no troll smiley so this will have to do.
You've misunderstood, and made a faulty assumption. I've said nothing anti-keto, if that's what you're thinking.
ETA: http://www.notablebiographies.com/newsmakers2/2004-A-Di/Atkins-Robert-C.html1 -
If you need to be convinced to follow a diet, than its the wrong diet for you. If anything id say concentrate on calories protein and fiber, and let the rest fall out.6
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gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Actually, ketogenic has been around a lot longer than the Atkins diet. Atkins is actually a spin off of Keto. It started out to help control seizures in epileptic children. Then it was discovered to have additional benefits of more alertness, more energy.
I never understand the phrase "more restrictive." I probably eat more and better than I had before. I don't feel like I'm restricted. Do I wish I could eat donuts, cakes, ice cream? Sure, sometimes. But then if I do, there goes my blood glucose. So no, I don't miss those types of foods. I'm full and happy, and losing weight. Without exercising. Not that I don't want to exercise. Just right now, I can't. Hopefully soon!6 -
For me it helps me be in control of what I eat. When I think of carb I would eat mostly junk food, now that I cut carb out aka "junks" I'm more aware of what I put in my body.
I find this mindboggling, in that "carbs" does not mean mostly junk food. Most "junk foods" are half carbs, half fat (some have protein too), so aren't properly "carbs" anyway, and many foods that are predominately carbs are not remotely junk foods: vegetables, fruit, legumes, potatoes, sweet potatoes, whole grains (including oats, barley, brown rice), as well as pseudograins like buckwheat and quinoa.
If you chose to eat mostly nutrient-poor sources of carbs, that's not because "carbs" are inherently nutrient-poor or that eating carbs keeps one from focusing on nutrition.14 -
Either listen to your doctors or do your own research on people post keto.1
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Athena98501 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.
I assumed that the poster meant that keto as a diet for weight loss is a spin-off or rebranding of Atkins (basically sticking with Atkins induction phase). I think that's right, despite it being used in a limited medical way before that. Most people doing it don't have any reason to be in ketosis (ie, the benefits for epileptics) but are doing it to control the appetite or because they find it an enjoyable way to control calories, which was also why Atkins was a rage in the '90s (I knew plenty of people doing it), and probably when it was hot originally. Plus a lot of people just love being able to eat foods they had considered indulgent when dieting (i.e., bacon, cheese). I don't know why people STILL seem to think you can't diet any way (well, not WFPB) and fit those in, but that's a totally different issue.
(And Atkins was not the first low carb diet, obv, also, I know about, say, Banting, but it was a huge popularization of it.)1 -
So I read the OP as kind of a passive aggressive attempt to start a debate, like "Yeah, sure, go ahead and show me that this isn't a load of crap" lol. But they haven't come back so I guess that might not be the case.
I will admit that I still wonder if keto is really healthy long term. I see so much long term evidence for high fiber/plant based diets. But I can acknowledge that growing up in the 70s and 80s low fat craze probably still has a voice whispering in my ear against high fat! Regardless, it doesn't affect me as I do much better on a moderate carb diet, and if some other people reach their goals better doing keto I'm happy for them and wish them good health as well.11 -
Athena98501 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.
I was simply stating that Atkins was the first well known diet that puts your body into Ketosis. The majority of people know what Atkins is just by seeing products on the shelves. There are some people who have a medical or dietary background that know about Ketosis but the general public just knows Atkins. I am stating that calling it Keto and saying its a new diet is a sales ploy. I was jokingly calling you a troll because instead of giving advise or answering the original question you turned it into " well actually ".
I think that people should decide if they are wanting to just diet or a lifestyle change. A diet will give you quick short term results. A lifestyle change will give you long term results but typically at a slower rate. Depending on where you live and how you are raised certain diets such as Keto/Atkins will be hard to make a lifestyle. Avoiding some foods you are raised on or that are staples in your diet can be very hard to limit.2 -
So I read the OP as kind of a passive aggressive attempt to start a debate, like "Yeah, sure, go ahead and show me that this isn't a load of crap" lol. But they haven't come back so I guess that might not be the case.
I will admit that I still wonder if keto is really healthy long term. I see so much long term evidence for high fiber/plant based diets. But I can acknowledge that growing up in the 70s and 80s low fat craze probably still has a voice whispering in my ear against high fat! Regardless, it doesn't affect me as I do much better on a moderate carb diet, and if some other people reach their goals better doing keto I'm happy for them and wish them good health as well.So I read the OP as kind of a passive aggressive attempt to start a debate, like "Yeah, sure, go ahead and show me that this isn't a load of crap" lol. But they haven't come back so I guess that might not be the case.
I will admit that I still wonder if keto is really healthy long term. I see so much long term evidence for high fiber/plant based diets. But I can acknowledge that growing up in the 70s and 80s low fat craze probably still has a voice whispering in my ear against high fat! Regardless, it doesn't affect me as I do much better on a moderate carb diet, and if some other people reach their goals better doing keto I'm happy for them and wish them good health as well.
I have done all the low carb diets.. all of them.... the only thing that made my body medically well was the low fat/plant based diet.... and use the CICO with it... you just got to burn more calories than you take in...if your body can handle all that fat... try it...0 -
Athena98501 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Medical studies of the ketogenic diet treating epilepsy began in the 1920's.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049574
Dr Atkins himself was *born* in 1930.
Sure. But a ketogenic diet as a way to promote weight loss didn't hit mainstream dieters until recently. The Atkins diet has been around since the 1970s.
No one is not claiming that Dr. Atkins didn't borrow from the science. Not even Dr. Atkins himself, when he was alive and at the helm. In fact, a less restrictive version of the ketogenic diet for epileptics who are still controlled on it is called the Modified Atkins Diet (MAD). What he did, though, is offer it up as a plan for mass dieting consumption well before this "keto" zealotry hit its stride.
What I find annoying is how many "keto" dieters slag on Atkins when they are the same thing initially. And the seeming lack of emphasizing that calories still matter, as Dr. Atkins did? Ugh. Just, ugh.
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I think William Banting's Letter on Corpulence was the first LCHF, possibly keto, diet plan published.
https://zerocarbzen.com/2015/05/05/letter-on-corpulence-by-william-banting/
YMMV when it comes to how healthy ketogenic diets are. If you have familial hypercholestertolemia, then ketosis may be bad for you. If you have insulin resistance of any type (T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, Alzheimer's, NAFLD) or CAD then a ketogenic diet may make you healthier. If you participate in endurance sports, you may find being fat adapted improves your performance, but if you are trying to bulk quickly then more carbs might help.
As for the food, most nutrients are more bio-available when they come from animal products. There are very few nutrients or vitamins that the body can better use from plants than from meats, seafood, eggs, dairy and organs. There are no vitamins that a carnivore needs to take but the same is not true for vegans.
ETA as others said, it depends on what you eat too. If you are subsisting on bullet proof coffee, fried chicken and bacon, iceberg lettuce with some soy oil dressing, with a dessert of pork rinds then a ketogenic diet may not be healthy. On the other hand, eggs with some bacon, salmon with a salad, and steak with some roasted veggies is certainly healthy.5 -
I'm on keto three weeks now. This is not a diet this is a life change. It is hard while your body adjusts and I suggest research a lot. If you decide to go keto you should realize the cooking, measuring and all involved. Keep it simple at first. If you don't feel well then drink Powerade zero and broth . I hope I have helped in some way...2
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Jigglypuff00 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Actually, ketogenic has been around a lot longer than the Atkins diet. Atkins is actually a spin off of Keto. It started out to help control seizures in epileptic children. Then it was discovered to have additional benefits of more alertness, more energy.
I never understand the phrase "more restrictive." I probably eat more and better than I had before. I don't feel like I'm restricted. Do I wish I could eat donuts, cakes, ice cream? Sure, sometimes. But then if I do, there goes my blood glucose. So no, I don't miss those types of foods. I'm full and happy, and losing weight. Without exercising. Not that I don't want to exercise. Just right now, I can't. Hopefully soon!
Basically all but eliminating an entire macro-nutrient is the very definition of restrictive.
Doughnuts, cakes, and ice cream get as many if not more calories from fat than from carbohydrates...so I never can figure out why these things seem to be the keto followers go to example for carbohydrates.
There are all kinds of nutritious sources of carbohydrates that one would have to avoid on a keto diet...I hardly ever eat doughnuts or cake or ice cream...but I do eat lentils and legumes and fruits and veg and potatoes and other root vegetables and grains with regularity...those are some of my favorite foods and while not a vegan or vegetarian, I do eat plant based quite a bit...couldn't do that on keto 'cuz restrictive...3 -
I bought the book (Atkins) and remember thinking this is great, I can eat all the bacon and cheese I want. Ummm not so much. Fast forward many years and it's Keto. I do like the idea of it and I will do it for a few weeks and cycle it through out the year, but for me it is not something I can maintain long term. One of my goals is to eat whole healthy foods and there are selections don't get me wrong, but not enough for me. And it can get expensive (I think the price of Avocados has tripled in the last year) add to that the cost of buying farm raised meats, eggs, etc. Again I will still locally source my meats, eggs, etc when i can, but don't eat them every day as I was doing Keto. I guess my point is, try it, see how it goes, does it agree with you, your lifestyle and your bank account
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Jigglypuff00 wrote: »gearhead426hemi wrote: »Keto is just a new spin off of Atkins. It definitely works I have done it a couple times more as a cleanse for a few weeks to jump start things. Last time I lost 12 pounds in 3 weeks. It is very restrictive so make sure you shop and meal prep for like a week at a time. There isn't a perfect diet for everyone so I would suggest try it for a couple weeks and see how you feel and if it could become a lifestyle no a diet. Best of luck!
Actually, ketogenic has been around a lot longer than the Atkins diet. Atkins is actually a spin off of Keto. It started out to help control seizures in epileptic children. Then it was discovered to have additional benefits of more alertness, more energy.
I never understand the phrase "more restrictive." I probably eat more and better than I had before. I don't feel like I'm restricted. Do I wish I could eat donuts, cakes, ice cream? Sure, sometimes. But then if I do, there goes my blood glucose. So no, I don't miss those types of foods. I'm full and happy, and losing weight. Without exercising. Not that I don't want to exercise. Just right now, I can't. Hopefully soon!
Basically all but eliminating an entire macro-nutrient is the very definition of restrictive.
Doughnuts, cakes, and ice cream get as many if not more calories from fat than from carbohydrates.
There are all kinds of nutritious sources of carbohydrates that one would have to avoid on a keto diet...I hardly ever eat doughnuts or cake or ice cream...but I do eat lentils and legumes and fruits and veg and potatoes and other root vegetables and grains with regularity...those are some of my favorite foods and while not a vegan or vegetarian, I do eat plant based quite a bit...couldn't do that on keto 'cuz restrictive...
A diet being restricted doesn't equate to someone *feeling* restricted. But personal feelings don't change facts if someone is -- either through medical circumstances, allergies, or personal choice -- eating less variety than those around them.
I'm vegan, I never feel restricted. But I wouldn't use that as a basis to argue that veganism isn't restrictive because that is literally what it is -- it's a series of restrictions on what we choose to eat (and wear, use, etc).
Keto, in this one particular way, is similar. It's literally a macronutrient-restricted diet that, in practice, means that people are avoiding a variety of foods (or eating them in very small portions compared to others). That certain individuals don't *feel* deprived on this diet doesn't change reality.5 -
Some people truly find it easier to stay in a caloric deficit with higher fat and protein and limited carbs. Most people find it torturous, but cutting out a food group works well to create a deficit so it appears to be a magic diet bullet and they stick with it until they reach their goal. This is why most people do keto for a few months until they lose weight, then eat the same stuff in the same quantities but add bread so they gain it back.0
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I have tried Keto and it's not for me; with that being said I know people who've had great success with it. My husband can drop weight quickly this way and after a few weeks adjustment he says that he no longer feels as hungry as before (I suppose it's the stabilizing of blood sugars). I don't like Keto for several reasons. First I don't like following any "diets" that restrict any food groups and to stay in true ketosis you have to eat a very low carb diet. Also, I get bored with the variety of foods. I know there are all kinds of Keto recipes out there but they seem to use a lot of the same ingredients; just a variance of them.
I don't necessarily agree that Keto is bad for everyone, but some people, yes! People with epilepsy and diabetics can benefit vastly from following this lifestyle. However, if you have kidney problems then you should not adhere to this way of eating.
Every diet out there has data that both supports it's claims as well as debunks it. In the end, I say do whatever is best and healthiest for you!2
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