New Weight Watchers Freestyle or Myfitnesspal?

I keep bouncing back and forth on programs. I have lost over 20 pounds but sometimes feel deprived on weight watchers. I have a fitbit and I always struggle wondering how much to eat. I need to give it a chance when set to sedentary for it to tell me how much I burn. It is just so scary trusting a program. What has worked for you all? Obviously if you are here, maybe its MFP for you. Do you eat your fitbit adjustment?
Has anyone else tried the new weight watchers? Whats your opinions? I just feel so stuck....even though Im losing, it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.
I think starting tomorrow I will set MFP to sedentary and eat exercise calories and see if that actually works. Sometimes Im skeptical that I can eat that amount and still lose because sometimes it is 2000+ calories when I am very active.
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  • 4legsRbetterthan2
    4legsRbetterthan2 Posts: 19,590 MFP Moderator
    As for fitbit:

    I used a fitbit one for a long time and lost 40 lbs using the estimates it gave me and tracking as accurately as I could on MFP. The one is a step based tracker, and did not have the 24/7 hr monitor feature. When I tried a garmin watch with that feature it gave me absurdly high calorie burns, which prompted me to do some digging. My readings indicates devices monitoring hr 24/7 from various brands all then to estimate high. So I would say if your fitbit estimates off steps alone you can probably trust it, if not I would bet it is giving you pretty high numbers. Ultimately, you have to just make a plan, stick to it for 4-6 weeks, track your progress, and adjust from there. It is impossible to calculate the exact numbers you consume or burn, you just have to do the best you can.
    it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.

    alot of people have success finding a way to fit treats into their calorie every day instead of trying to restrict. maybe that is something you should try too?


  • DebLaBounty
    DebLaBounty Posts: 1,169 Member
    I've had great success here with MFP. My sister-in-law claims to have lost weight on the different Weight Watchers programs, but gains it back then loses then gains. This new system where there are zero points for food that obviously has calories has resulted in a twenty pound gain for her.
  • leodru
    leodru Posts: 321 Member
    edited December 2017
    I've been stagnant for a long time now and have been trying the WW freestyle program for the last month and i have dropped 6.5 pounds. I don't feel deprived at all. Easiest program I've done to date. Hoping it continues but I have been struggling for a long time and this is definitely working for me. Ultimately I like not living around a calorie count - healthy eating seems to be the trick for me. For the record I don't understand the under eating comments. There are "free" fruits, veggies and proteins. The new program hits sugar hard and leaves room for regular carbs. I'm rolling over points but I'm eating more than i did when i was calorie counting because the quality of what I am eating is better. Carbs like squash, carrot, veggies in general are all free. I have 27 points a day and WW bread is 1 pt a slice, potato 1 cup is 6. Lots of room to eat healthy.
  • kerigerber
    kerigerber Posts: 1 Member
    I'm feeling like a WW refugee over here (not to make light of actual refugees!). They are very strongly opinionated about their program over there! I did well on SmartPoints but Freestyle has been terrible for me. It was a really hard choice originally for me between MFP and WW and I just leaned slightly to WW. So now it's back to MFP! I like tracking everything I eat. On WW there were days where I'd wind up consuming under 1200 calories or eat boat loads of "free" food and still feel starved. I just like knowing my numbers, I feel like I can ignore that hunger feeling much easier if I know I've had my "fair share" of food for the day!
  • labblb86
    labblb86 Posts: 28 Member
    I've been doing WW Freestyle for a few weeks, and it has been working great. However this week I seem to be hungrier, even with the extra protein. I have rolled over points a couple days, and used 28/35 of my weeklies. I checked my calories on MFP today, and some days this week I was only getting 850 - 900 calories! Way too low!! I did have a couple days of 1700 & 1300, but my overall week average is 1150. Still too low given that I work out 3x/week. I won't be rolling over points anymore and will eat all my weeklies. It will take time to get adjusted, I guess. I did awesome on Smart Points, losing 55 pounds in 2016 and have been at goal for a year. Just working now towards my personal goal weight.
  • newheavensearth
    newheavensearth Posts: 870 Member
    labblb86 wrote: »
    I've been doing WW Freestyle for a few weeks, and it has been working great. However this week I seem to be hungrier, even with the extra protein. I have rolled over points a couple days, and used 28/35 of my weeklies. I checked my calories on MFP today, and some days this week I was only getting 850 - 900 calories! Way too low!! I did have a couple days of 1700 & 1300, but my overall week average is 1150. Still too low given that I work out 3x/week. I won't be rolling over points anymore and will eat all my weeklies. It will take time to get adjusted, I guess. I did awesome on Smart Points, losing 55 pounds in 2016 and have been at goal for a year. Just working now towards my personal goal weight.

    I've noticed I'm hungrier this week too even though my calories are the same. Plus I'm getting bored with food choices. I did horribly on Smart Points, but lost 7 lbs on Freestyle so far.
  • Ann262
    Ann262 Posts: 266 Member
    BLT1977 wrote: »
    I hear you. I lost 100 pounds with WW and even worked as a leader for almost 2 years. I am not as skeptical as those who say that WW just makes changes so they can get your $$. They truly are science-based, and they are always doing research to find out what works the best for most people to lose weight. That being said, I have a sweet tooth, and Smart Points was just too restrictive. Freestyle isn’t any better for me because the treats still cost too many points. I learned how to make healthier choices on WW (e.g., eat more fish, eat the grapes and string cheese instead of the pretzels), so I feel confident just tracking calories with MFP. I also wear a Fitbit. I set MFP to sedentary and I use most of my exercise calories but not all. It seems to work. But it is sometimes hard to trust it! Good luck!


    Yes this! WW, 20 years ago, had a terrific program. They have changed it so many times since then, today's program barely resembles that one. Although nothing is off limits in WW, it now really steers low carb. At one time only veggies were free. Fruit had a point value but it was generally very low. At some point, they decided to make fruit free and to make it possible to lose weight eating as much fruit as you want, they made all carbs and sweets very high. I found the punishing. Even a very healthy sandwich became very "expensive because of the bread, even if it was a very good whole grain bread. Very small sweet treats became expensive points-wise too. I don't like to feel like I am off program. It is also $40 + per month.

  • amyniceneasy
    amyniceneasy Posts: 143 Member
    As for fitbit:

    I used a fitbit one for a long time and lost 40 lbs using the estimates it gave me and tracking as accurately as I could on MFP. The one is a step based tracker, and did not have the 24/7 hr monitor feature. When I tried a garmin watch with that feature it gave me absurdly high calorie burns, which prompted me to do some digging. My readings indicates devices monitoring hr 24/7 from various brands all then to estimate high. So I would say if your fitbit estimates off steps alone you can probably trust it, if not I would bet it is giving you pretty high numbers. Ultimately, you have to just make a plan, stick to it for 4-6 weeks, track your progress, and adjust from there. It is impossible to calculate the exact numbers you consume or burn, you just have to do the best you can.
    it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.

    alot of people have success finding a way to fit treats into their calorie every day instead of trying to restrict. maybe that is something you should try too?


    OMG! Thank you for posting your thoughts on this. I used the fitbit one and lost all my extra weight eating fairly close to what it said I burned. When my "one" died and I upgraded to the charge with HR monitor....the calorie counts were much higher. At first I thought "yay! I can eat more?". Nope...using the counts from the new fitbit I gain.
  • CaliMomTeach
    CaliMomTeach Posts: 745 Member
    I'd go for the free option. Lots of people lose weight on here without paying one penny. I lost over 50 pounds on here just logging my calories. I read on here to not eat back all of my exercise calories. I find that when I do, I gain or don't lose. If my elliptical says I burned 600 calories, I put in 400.
  • karahm78
    karahm78 Posts: 505 Member
    As for fitbit:

    I used a fitbit one for a long time and lost 40 lbs using the estimates it gave me and tracking as accurately as I could on MFP. The one is a step based tracker, and did not have the 24/7 hr monitor feature. When I tried a garmin watch with that feature it gave me absurdly high calorie burns, which prompted me to do some digging. My readings indicates devices monitoring hr 24/7 from various brands all then to estimate high. So I would say if your fitbit estimates off steps alone you can probably trust it, if not I would bet it is giving you pretty high numbers. Ultimately, you have to just make a plan, stick to it for 4-6 weeks, track your progress, and adjust from there. It is impossible to calculate the exact numbers you consume or burn, you just have to do the best you can.
    it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.

    alot of people have success finding a way to fit treats into their calorie every day instead of trying to restrict. maybe that is something you should try too?


    OMG! Thank you for posting your thoughts on this. I used the fitbit one and lost all my extra weight eating fairly close to what it said I burned. When my "one" died and I upgraded to the charge with HR monitor....the calorie counts were much higher. At first I thought "yay! I can eat more?". Nope...using the counts from the new fitbit I gain.

    I have been wearing a Fitbit One for 4 years now, and have also been very happy with it and gaining/losing/maintaining as expected using it. It isn't as flashy as the others, but it needs more recognition for sure!
  • dbanks80
    dbanks80 Posts: 3,685 Member
    They advertise 200+ 0 point foods. What foods are they? Is it just Veggies and Fruit? I thought 200+ 0 point foods is a lot to chose from.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    dbanks80 wrote: »
    They advertise 200+ 0 point foods. What foods are they? Is it just Veggies and Fruit? I thought 200+ 0 point foods is a lot to chose from.

    It does have vegetables and fruit, but also includes things like meats, beans, and (I think) some dairy.
  • amyepdx
    amyepdx Posts: 750 Member
    karahm78 wrote: »
    As for fitbit:

    I used a fitbit one for a long time and lost 40 lbs using the estimates it gave me and tracking as accurately as I could on MFP. The one is a step based tracker, and did not have the 24/7 hr monitor feature. When I tried a garmin watch with that feature it gave me absurdly high calorie burns, which prompted me to do some digging. My readings indicates devices monitoring hr 24/7 from various brands all then to estimate high. So I would say if your fitbit estimates off steps alone you can probably trust it, if not I would bet it is giving you pretty high numbers. Ultimately, you have to just make a plan, stick to it for 4-6 weeks, track your progress, and adjust from there. It is impossible to calculate the exact numbers you consume or burn, you just have to do the best you can.
    it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.

    alot of people have success finding a way to fit treats into their calorie every day instead of trying to restrict. maybe that is something you should try too?


    OMG! Thank you for posting your thoughts on this. I used the fitbit one and lost all my extra weight eating fairly close to what it said I burned. When my "one" died and I upgraded to the charge with HR monitor....the calorie counts were much higher. At first I thought "yay! I can eat more?". Nope...using the counts from the new fitbit I gain.

    I have been wearing a Fitbit One for 4 years now, and have also been very happy with it and gaining/losing/maintaining as expected using it. It isn't as flashy as the others, but it needs more recognition for sure!

    Don’t lose it - Fitbit has discontinued them - I am so mad! I lost 2 of them in 2016 and luckily managed to hang on to my latest one but if it goes I will be lost. I dress up for work and don’t want to wear a fitness watch during the week. I switch to my Blaze for workouts and on the weekends and the calorie sync is pretty spot on!
  • SandDodds96
    SandDodds96 Posts: 8 Member
    I’m sticking with MFP now as it seems the Freestyle program for WW seems a little off with making some foods 0 points. Smartpoints was too restrictive and Points Plus didn’t work as well because I didn’t have much weight to lose. MFP is also free which works with me being on a student budget as I’m in grad school.

    I’m more of a fan of the Momentum plan as everything had Points and I was really good at it.

    Plus, the online community here is fun to discuss things with.
  • Mugs203
    Mugs203 Posts: 26 Member
    dbanks80 wrote: »
    They advertise 200+ 0 point foods. What foods are they? Is it just Veggies and Fruit? I thought 200+ 0 point foods is a lot to chose from.

    Beans, eggs, chicken (white meat), turkey (white meat), all fish, plain non fat greek yogurt, fruits, corn, peas... lots of stuff on the 0 points list

  • Jingsi84
    Jingsi84 Posts: 126 Member
    angelb1983 wrote: »
    I keep bouncing back and forth on programs. I have lost over 20 pounds but sometimes feel deprived on weight watchers. I have a fitbit and I always struggle wondering how much to eat. I need to give it a chance when set to sedentary for it to tell me how much I burn. It is just so scary trusting a program. What has worked for you all? Obviously if you are here, maybe its MFP for you. Do you eat your fitbit adjustment?
    Has anyone else tried the new weight watchers? Whats your opinions? I just feel so stuck....even though Im losing, it is taking forever because I seem to have a week on and a week off because when I don't allow myself to eat certain foods I end up just binging.
    I think starting tomorrow I will set MFP to sedentary and eat exercise calories and see if that actually works. Sometimes Im skeptical that I can eat that amount and still lose because sometimes it is 2000+ calories when I am very active.

    As I understand it, the MFP active/sedentary settings are for your activity level outside of working out. So if you are at a desk job, you should most certainly set MFP to sedentary. Next, people usually only eat about 50% of their exercise calories because most people find that MFP and their fitbits overestimate these calories out. Hopefully that will help you determine how many calories to eat. I also like to look at losertown.org to play with how many calories I need to eat, and what activity to engage in, to lose at my desired pace.

    WW worked well for my Mom until she fell just outside of maintenance and didn't want to pay for the meetings and let all the weight and then some crop back on. MFP has been great for me to lose 25lbs in three months. I can't understand why you would want to estimate calories with points instead of estimating by measuring when it is more accurate and free. Group meetings might be good for you though, but weights can vary especially for women during their TOM and what happens when weigh ins are on a high weight day? I personally prefer an online presence which is great here and the WW online community was snarky to newbies according to my long-time WW following sister. Just things to consider.
  • brznhabits
    brznhabits Posts: 126 Member
    edited January 2018
    I'm am MFPer and before that I used caloriecount. I've never tried WeightWatchers, probably because I'm frugal ;-) But also, the math of CICO really works for me. I like Excel spreadsheets :-) And last but not least, I'm a fan of building new skills for a lifetime, using WW (temporary fix) wouldn't support that goal (I'm not judging anyone who uses WW).

    In terms of MFP (and your fitbit) working for you...

    All of these things are estimates. You have to trial and error to find a more accurate "truth" (for your body/lifestyle).

    Don't feel like you have to choose between sedentary and lightly active. Through trial and error I know I fall right in between so I override my setting. My weekends are activity heavy so I log extra then.

    Yeah, I don't recommend staying away from foods...because then you binge...but instead I recommend building better habits. That said, trigger foods are another story, I won't keep those in the house.

    Every one has off days but the degree of overage (100 cals vs. 600 cals) and how often makes the difference. Personally I try to stay within 10% of target 5/7 days AND I try not to ever go over my maintenance cals. If I'm consistently missing those goals I know I need to reevaluate and adjust to something more sustainable, including looking at my macros.

    That said, if you are having up/down weeks keep in mind that "every good day is better than a bad day", keep at it until it gets easier.
  • lovielou522
    lovielou522 Posts: 5 Member
    labblb86 wrote: »
    I've been doing WW Freestyle for a few weeks, and it has been working great. However this week I seem to be hungrier, even with the extra protein. I have rolled over points a couple days, and used 28/35 of my weeklies. I checked my calories on MFP today, and some days this week I was only getting 850 - 900 calories! Way too low!! I did have a couple days of 1700 & 1300, but my overall week average is 1150. Still too low given that I work out 3x/week. I won't be rolling over points anymore and will eat all my weeklies. It will take time to get adjusted, I guess. I did awesome on Smart Points, losing 55 pounds in 2016 and have been at goal for a year. Just working now towards my personal goal weight.

    Thank you for bringing this up! I've been trying to do WW Freestyle, and I've had the same issue of coming in WAY too low on calories, yet still being over my daily WW point allowance. I've been double tracking on both WW and MFP just to make sure i'm not coming in below 1200 calories on any given day.
  • dena789
    dena789 Posts: 165 Member
    I went to WW in the 1990's. I recently found my books while clearing out some paperwork. I did lose weight but gained too. In a period of about 3 years, there was only about 5 pounds difference from when I’d started. Back then, WW tracked servings dividing foods into protein, starches, vegetables, fruit and fats. You were given books outlining the serving sizes of all foods. Well, I suppose I learned about what a serving size of many things were and how to balance meals but there wasn’t the choice to have anything that wasn’t listed. I think that was just too restrictive for me at that time so I just kind of gave up. My weight just kept creeping up.

    I discovered MFP in 2012 and by tracking what I ate was able to lose 60 pounds in less than a year. Maintenance wasn’t as easy for me so I was up and down and up over the last few years. I came back to using MFP seriously again in December and have started losing again.

    For me, MPF has been the tool that helped me most.
  • yvonne_beavis
    yvonne_beavis Posts: 39 Member
    I lost 50 lbs with WW but left when they changed to flex ( might be what is called freestyle in the US). Like other posters, I found the messages it was sending out were too mixed and confusing. I find MFP easier and less restrictive because it doesn't privilege any particular food group, or demonise anything, but of course a lot of people like the meeting side of ww, and the community site was helpful. To be honest, I think you can lose weight in a lot of ways, and what suits you at one point in the process may not do do at another time.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,928 Member
    Fitbit grossly overestimates my calorie burn. Using those numbers I would gain more than half a pound per week.
  • iamunicoon
    iamunicoon Posts: 839 Member
    I used to do WW and was successful with it. I'm also successful with MFP. So it's a tie for me except MFP is free and WW isn't.

    The thing for me is that I don't struggle with understanding how it works. If you explain CICO to me, I can follow that. If you explain WW's point system to me, I can follow that, too. The problem is sticking with it and not lying to myself and that's something I have to work on, regardless of what I'm doing to lose weight. People have brought up the WW meetings as a great way of keeping yourself accountable but that never worked for me and I didn't gain much motivation from them either. It's probably down to your local group of people but what I found here was a group full of stay at home moms whose daily struggles are very different from my own, so we could encourage but not really help each other.
  • tymjennings
    tymjennings Posts: 11 Member
    I lost 50 pounds with Smart Points and since freestyle was introduced back in December, Ive actually not lost. I have gained and lost the same 5 pounds so I decided to track MFP and WW. Once I get the hang of MFP I will probably cancel WW as I do see why I need two programs.