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Too Much Carbs And Sugars Stunt Optimal Growth/Height Potential For Children
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Here's an example of before-and-after. A diabetic child before and after insulin.
Bit off the original topic - but this is a fascinating photo.
It shows Leonard Thompson, the first reciprient of injected insulin in 1922 - Leonard doesnt look far from death in first photo - before and after transformation is truly amazing.
Previous to discovery of insulin children with diabetes were put on virtually starvation diets and died within months of diagnosis - a gruesome choice of death by starvation or by hyperglycaemic coma.
Certainly makes one appreciate modern medicine.
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I agree with most here that most kids are not experiencing stunted growth from excess carbs and sugar. However, on a minuscule level, I think there could be some truth to it for some. Again, I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference.
We do know that the largest HGH secretion happens in deep sleep. There are a lot of kids who are prediabetic (Type 2). Given that insulin and blood sugar levels in these kids would be higher than what they should be, I think it is plausible that their HGH secretion at night would be reduced as compared to a kid who has normal insulin/blood sugar levels. But I'm not sure that there's anything to suggest it would be a major effect on growth. But of course, an active kid who consumes a lot of carbs and sugar in general could still have normal insulin levels, so this probably wouldn't be an issue for this person.
So none of what I'm saying really validates the OP, but rather that from a scientific perspective a minor effect is possible. Also, as it was mentioned previously, I think we can all agree that malnutrition in general can really stunt growth. So someone who is eating a very poor diet in general (which could include excessive amounts of sugar), would be likely to experience a more substantial lack of growth.9 -
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moosmum1972 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I agree with most here that most kids are not experiencing stunted growth from excess carbs and sugar. However, on a minuscule level, I think there could be some truth to it for some. Again, I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference.
We do know that the largest HGH secretion happens in deep sleep. There are a lot of kids who are prediabetic (Type 2). Given that insulin and blood sugar levels in these kids would be higher than what they should be, I think it is plausible that their HGH secretion at night would be reduced as compared to a kid who has normal insulin/blood sugar levels. But I'm not sure that there's anything to suggest it would be a major effect on growth. But of course, an active kid who consumes a lot of carbs and sugar in general could still have normal insulin levels, so this probably wouldn't be an issue for this person.
So none of what I'm saying really validates the OP, but rather that from a scientific perspective a minor effect is possible. Also, as it was mentioned previously, I think we can all agree that malnutrition in general can really stunt growth. So someone who is eating a very poor diet in general (which could include excessive amounts of sugar), would be likely to experience a more substantial lack of growth.
My nephew has autism and grew up on sugary cereal eaten dry and one brand of chicken nuggets due to food issues common in autistic kids.....he's 6'3..
Yeah, but he could be 6'3.14" if he only ate once a day and keto man. Ask Fung and his minions.
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Without knowing the height of his parents, and more importantly the details of his growth rate, that doesn't mean anything in relation to my point that "I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference."moosmum1972 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I agree with most here that most kids are not experiencing stunted growth from excess carbs and sugar. However, on a minuscule level, I think there could be some truth to it for some. Again, I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference.
We do know that the largest HGH secretion happens in deep sleep. There are a lot of kids who are prediabetic (Type 2). Given that insulin and blood sugar levels in these kids would be higher than what they should be, I think it is plausible that their HGH secretion at night would be reduced as compared to a kid who has normal insulin/blood sugar levels. But I'm not sure that there's anything to suggest it would be a major effect on growth. But of course, an active kid who consumes a lot of carbs and sugar in general could still have normal insulin levels, so this probably wouldn't be an issue for this person.
So none of what I'm saying really validates the OP, but rather that from a scientific perspective a minor effect is possible. Also, as it was mentioned previously, I think we can all agree that malnutrition in general can really stunt growth. So someone who is eating a very poor diet in general (which could include excessive amounts of sugar), would be likely to experience a more substantial lack of growth.
My nephew has autism and grew up on sugary cereal eaten dry and one brand of chicken nuggets due to food issues common in autistic kids.....he's 6'3..
BTW, the whole idea of eating once per day and an extremely low carb intake has nothing to do with the point I was making. I wasn't suggesting that at all.
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OuchArtist wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »I'm not sure if there are any studies out there addressing this exact thing, but it's well known that when insulin is present in the body, it acts as an anti-HGH (growth hormone), the crucial hormone critical for growth of children especially in their puberty years.
What is your source that claims insulin inhibits growth hormone?
Insulin is a hormone produced by the pancreas to help regulate blood sugar. It is necessary for proper body function. Obviously it does not inhibit growth to have insulin present in your body or none of us would grow.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-1-diabetes/what-insulin
Human growth hormone is secreted by the pituitary gland. Growth hormone deficiency "results primarily from damage to the hypothalamus or to the pituitary gland during fetal development (congenital GH deficiency) or following birth (acquired GH deficiency). GH deficiency may also be caused by mutations in genes that regulate its synthesis and secretion" from https://www.britannica.com/science/growth-hormone
Insulin and growth hormone play antagonist roles against one another. When one is elevated, the other will be low, period.
You have to read some more studies on the subject.
What is your source?
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Without knowing the height of his parents, and more importantly the details of his growth rate, that doesn't mean anything in relation to my point that "I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference."moosmum1972 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I agree with most here that most kids are not experiencing stunted growth from excess carbs and sugar. However, on a minuscule level, I think there could be some truth to it for some. Again, I'm talking about very minor effects. Such as, a small fraction of an inch difference.
We do know that the largest HGH secretion happens in deep sleep. There are a lot of kids who are prediabetic (Type 2). Given that insulin and blood sugar levels in these kids would be higher than what they should be, I think it is plausible that their HGH secretion at night would be reduced as compared to a kid who has normal insulin/blood sugar levels. But I'm not sure that there's anything to suggest it would be a major effect on growth. But of course, an active kid who consumes a lot of carbs and sugar in general could still have normal insulin levels, so this probably wouldn't be an issue for this person.
So none of what I'm saying really validates the OP, but rather that from a scientific perspective a minor effect is possible. Also, as it was mentioned previously, I think we can all agree that malnutrition in general can really stunt growth. So someone who is eating a very poor diet in general (which could include excessive amounts of sugar), would be likely to experience a more substantial lack of growth.
My nephew has autism and grew up on sugary cereal eaten dry and one brand of chicken nuggets due to food issues common in autistic kids.....he's 6'3..
BTW, the whole idea of eating once per day and an extremely low carb intake has nothing to do with the point I was making. I wasn't suggesting that at all.
We could ensure more height by having them lie down all the time so there is no spine compression.
Surely we want people to be smaller, not bigger (and therefore lighter as a whole, not heavier)? In a world of diminishing resources, they take up less room, require less food and water, less material to dress, use less energy (electricity, gas, petrol etc)0 -
Well, I would of thought we want people to be whatever height their genetics and general healthy nutrition makes them.
Cant say Ive ever considered whether my 6ft 1 in son uses more electricity than his 5 ft 10 in brother
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If we evolved to eat one low-carb meal per day, why do the fastest growing humans, newborns, eat high sugar, low protein meals up to 12 times per day?0
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OuchArtist wrote: »It is becoming clear that we are meant to eat one meal a day, and people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day, just like our ancestors used to.
What do you base your statement of "people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day" on?
And our ancestors only ate one meal a day? Which ancestors are you talking about? My grandparents or Homo Neanderthalensis? And what proof are you basing this assumption of yours on?1 -
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http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2016/6/The-Insulin-Cancer-Connection/Page-01
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/what-is-diabetes/prediabetes-insulin-resistance
Don't know about hgh effects, but it looks like high insulin can contribute to cancer and insulin resistance.4 -
Insulin certainly has a role in weight maitenance - one of the symptoms of sudden onset type 1 diabetes is unexplained weight loss - because the body cannot convert glucose from the blood stream into the tissues.
Obviously hence why blood sugar readings are high
(Of course this has nil relevance for healthy people who have normal insulin production and nil relevance to premise of OP)0
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