Does overtraining slow the metabolism
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If you're not losing weight, you are over-eating, btw. The person who said you are gaining muscle and losing fat is also wrong, because you sound like you've been lifting a while - you cannot do both at the same time.
Is that really true... you cannot gain muscle and burn fat at the same time...? And you're sure I''m overeating at a net of 1400 calories? Wow... I'm not trying to be a smart allec, but, what about the warnings regarding starvation mode due to too few calories? Really, boiled down to the bare essence... that becomes the true question... am i undereating, which can slow the metabolism?
Overeating would cause weight gain... that's not happening... and, as i stated above, the belt has tightened a notch or two during the process.
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Yes it is true, and gymgypsy is spouting faff.
If you have been lifting for a while, (3 months or longer) you can not build muscle and lose fat at the same time, it takes years.
If you disagree with me, go over to bodybuilding.com losing fat section, and everyone will tell you exactly the same. Starvation mode is not really an issue, and you're over thinking. You could also be miscalculating your calories (you wont like to hear it, but its possible)
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Well, I guess I'm a special snowflake...you may want to google body recompostion. How about a link to your quoted BB.com on the subject?? http://blog.bodybuilding.com/wedjim/2012/02/25/tracking_macros_and_adjusting_as/
I've been doing this for longer than three months, and I've gained quite a bit of muscle (for a lady), lost only 3 pounds on the scale but three dress sizes and almost 10% BF. So yes, you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, it just takes a lot longer.
OP: have you calculated your TDEE - you may need to eat more. Here's a good link: http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/ My maintenance is around 2200 cals, and I eat around 1900-2000 per day with 35P/35C/30F macros.
Best of luck.
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Thanks.. i have calculated macros and have personalized goals on MFP, but i haven't used this site... i'll have look at it.0 -
Weight loss REDUCES metabolic rate. Calorie deficit reduces metabolic rate. Sleeping reduces metabolic rate.
Your bro is using broscience.
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Possible? Yes. Improbable. Yes. Gaining muscle is an anabolic process. Losing fat is a catabolic process. They'd wash each other out.Is that really true... you cannot gain muscle and burn fat at the same time...? And you're sure I''m overeating at a net of 1400 calories? Wow... I'm not trying to be a smart allec, but, what about the warnings regarding starvation mode due to too few calories? Really, boiled down to the bare essence... that becomes the true question... am i undereating, which can slow the metabolism?
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If you're not losing weight, you are over-eating, btw. The person who said you are gaining muscle and losing fat is also wrong, because you sound like you've been lifting a while - you cannot do both at the same time.
Is that really true... you cannot gain muscle and burn fat at the same time...? And you're sure I''m overeating at a net of 1400 calories? Wow... I'm not trying to be a smart allec, but, what about the warnings regarding starvation mode due to too few calories? Really, boiled down to the bare essence... that becomes the true question... am i undereating, which can slow the metabolism?
Overeating would cause weight gain... that's not happening... and, as i stated above, the belt has tightened a notch or two during the process.
Yes it is true, and gymgypsy is spouting faff.
If you have been lifting for a while, (3 months or longer) you can not build muscle and lose fat at the same time, it takes years.
If you disagree with me, go over to bodybuilding.com losing fat section, and everyone will tell you exactly the same. Starvation mode is not really an issue, and you're over thinking. You could also be miscalculating your calories (you wont like to hear it, but its possible)
Well, I guess I'm a special snowflake...you may want to google body recompostion. How about a link to your quoted BB.com on the subject?? http://blog.bodybuilding.com/wedjim/2012/02/25/tracking_macros_and_adjusting_as/
I've been doing this for longer than three months, and I've gained quite a bit of muscle (for a lady), lost only 3 pounds on the scale but three dress sizes and almost 10% BF. So yes, you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time, it just takes a lot longer.
OP: have you calculated your TDEE - you may need to eat more. Here's a good link: http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/ My maintenance is around 2200 cals, and I eat around 1900-2000 per day with 35P/35C/30F macros.
Best of luck.
ok... just re-calculated my TDEE... at 2,475 and my Daily calorie intake at 1,980. interesting what statement is found at the bottom of the calculator...
"You might be losing fat at a rate faster than is indicated if you are adding muscle mass at the same time by doing a weight lifting program in conjunction with your fat loss program. For example, if you have set your goal to be "gain muscle, lose fat" then although your scale weight remains the same you can be gaining muscle and losing fat at the same rate. The only way to know your true progress is to use a skin fold caliper to measure your bodyfat percentage accurately."
hmmm, ponder this on the tree of wool, Conan!0 -
I have a brother who has a holistic doctor. He reportedly told my brother that doing extensive cardio (extensive being more than 3 times per week) will actually cause the metabolism to slow at a drastic rate. I'd never heard that before, but here's my situation...
I'm exercising about 5 days per week, including hiit workouts for approximately 30 minutes and doing high intensity resistance training about 3 days per week. Every workout that I do is high intensity.
When I started, I weighed 218. I'm now down to 195 and have been stuck at the same weight for about 4 weeks. I have had to tighten my belt a notch or two in that time, but no weight loss.
My question is... am I overtraining? Too much cardio?
My goal is not to build a bigger muscle set, but to get lean and tone what i already have.
My net calorie intake usually ends up being a bit low... around 1200-1400 per day... of course, that's after all the exercise calories are deducted.
I appreciate any feedback.... oh, and I'd also welcome any new friend requests.
I've taken biochemistry, and I can see how this could happen, especially if the person is also eating not enough calories for maintenance. The body thinks it's in starvation mode. Basically, I thnk the message is: don't diet or do excessive cardio for too many weeks in a row, because the body will try to adapt to re-establish an equilibrium.
might be time for a break, or a change-up then... huh?0 -
ok... so i'm either eating too much or i'm eating too little, that seems to be the consensus.
I guess I'll have to experiment, then... see if eating more or eating less will get any results.
Do you measure/weigh everything you eat? If you are truly netting 1200-1400 per day and not losing weight (which has happened to me as well, I actually ended up gaining everything I lost eating about the same amount) I think you should look at increasing your calories. I would suggest figuring out your BMR and not netting below that. Try that for 4 weeks and see how that works.
It may not be putting your body in 'starvation mode" but I do believe it slows down your metabolism. It happened to me when I was eating 1400-1500 calories per day and burning more than 1,000 per day in exercise.
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ok... so i'm either eating too much or i'm eating too little, that seems to be the consensus.
I guess I'll have to experiment, then... see if eating more or eating less will get any results.
Do you measure/weigh everything you eat? If you are truly netting 1200-1400 per day and not losing weight (which has happened to me as well, I actually ended up gaining everything I lost eating about the same amount) I think you should look at increasing your calories. I would suggest figuring out your BMR and not netting below that. Try that for 4 weeks and see how that works.
It may not be putting your body in 'starvation mode" but I do believe it slows down your metabolism. It happened to me when I was eating 1400-1500 calories per day and burning more than 1,000 per day in exercise.
Good luck!
i'm feeling that.... already changed up my macros to reflect a higher calorie intake.0 -
yeah... that's good... i'm gonna take a break for a few days, get back on it and see what happens...
Historically, when i was lifting heavy, i'd have to cycle off of heavy weight about every 5-6 weeks as my body just stopped responding to it and I'd plateau. After about a week off... the gains would be back again. That may be what's happening here with my diet, too. It would stand to reason.
Gonna give it a shot and see what happens. At worst, I'll just pick up an extra pound or two... at best... I'll lose a pound or two... no biggie either way.
Thanks, bro.0 -
If you're not losing weight, you are over-eating, btw. The person who said you are gaining muscle and losing fat is also wrong, because you sound like you've been lifting a while - you cannot do both at the same time.
Is that really true... you cannot gain muscle and burn fat at the same time...? And you're sure I''m overeating at a net of 1400 calories? Wow... I'm not trying to be a smart allec, but, what about the warnings regarding starvation mode due to too few calories? Really, boiled down to the bare essence... that becomes the true question... am i undereating, which can slow the metabolism?
Overeating would cause weight gain... that's not happening... and, as i stated above, the belt has tightened a notch or two during the process.
Yes it is true, and gymgypsy is spouting faff.
If you have been lifting for a while, (3 months or longer) you can not build muscle and lose fat at the same time, it takes years.
If you disagree with me, go over to bodybuilding.com losing fat section, and everyone will tell you exactly the same. Starvation mode is not really an issue, and you're over thinking. You could also be miscalculating your calories (you wont like to hear it, but its possible).
Thank you, Doctor. I didn't know you could get your MD from Bodybuilding.com.
No, just your BS.0 -
yeah... that's good... i'm gonna take a break for a few days, get back on it and see what happens...
Historically, when i was lifting heavy, i'd have to cycle off of heavy weight about every 5-6 weeks as my body just stopped responding to it and I'd plateau. After about a week off... the gains would be back again. That may be what's happening here with my diet, too. It would stand to reason.
Gonna give it a shot and see what happens. At worst, I'll just pick up an extra pound or two... at best... I'll lose a pound or two... no biggie either way.
Thanks, bro.
Good luck, if you need anymore help just post here or pm me.0 -
I have a brother who has a holistic doctor. He reportedly told my brother that doing extensive cardio (extensive being more than 3 times per week) will actually cause the metabolism to slow at a drastic rate. I'd never heard that before, but here's my situation...
I'm exercising about 5 days per week, including hiit workouts for approximately 30 minutes and doing high intensity resistance training about 3 days per week. Every workout that I do is high intensity.
When I started, I weighed 218. I'm now down to 195 and have been stuck at the same weight for about 4 weeks. I have had to tighten my belt a notch or two in that time, but no weight loss.
My question is... am I overtraining? Too much cardio?
My goal is not to build a bigger muscle set, but to get lean and tone what i already have.
My net calorie intake usually ends up being a bit low... around 1200-1400 per day... of course, that's after all the exercise calories are deducted.
I appreciate any feedback.... oh, and I'd also welcome any new friend requests.
I would also recommend reading Lyle on the diet break. The other thing--if you are doing nothing but high-intensity workouts than you are just beating the crap out of yourself. I know HIIT is the current "magic bullet" Friend of the Day, but at some point, like everything else, it can become counterproductive if there is no variety. If you are getting headaches from hitting yourself over the head with a hammer, the solution is not to use a bigger hammer.0 -
If you're not losing weight, you are over-eating, btw. The person who said you are gaining muscle and losing fat is also wrong, because you sound like you've been lifting a while - you cannot do both at the same time.
Umm... I beg to differ. I haven't lost any weight in months but have gone down 3% in body fat doing cardio and weight training. If he is eating at a deficit and exercising he is obviously not gaining fat. It could be water retention or all manner of things. But to just dismiss muscle growth seems a little ignorant to me.
You cannot build muscle with a deficit of calories. It's science...you cannot be catabolic (dieting) and anabolic at the same time. You can maintain what muscle you have which will slow down the rate of loss on the scale...and your muscles will retain water (giving your muscles a "pump")...but you most definitely cannot build any appreciable muscle at a calorie deficit.0 -
If you're not losing weight, you are over-eating, btw. The person who said you are gaining muscle and losing fat is also wrong, because you sound like you've been lifting a while - you cannot do both at the same time.
Umm... I beg to differ. I haven't lost any weight in months but have gone down 3% in body fat doing cardio and weight training. If he is eating at a deficit and exercising he is obviously not gaining fat. It could be water retention or all manner of things. But to just dismiss muscle growth seems a little ignorant to me.
You cannot build muscle with a deficit of calories. It's science...you cannot be catabolic (dieting) and anabolic at the same time. You can maintain what muscle you have which will slow down the rate of loss on the scale...and your muscles will retain water (giving your muscles a "pump")...but you most definitely cannot build any appreciable muscle at a calorie deficit.
Yay, finally someone with some knowledge!
Thanks for backing up my comment!0 -
Lots of good and contradicting advice here! Lots to read and ponder! I don't have a doctor around to ask at the moment....
So from personal experience.... I stopped loosing at 12 lbs and was still working my a** off! 5 weeks in.
Then I started measuring! Holy wow! 3 inches off my waist and 2 off my hips! cool! I started adding 10 then 12 then 14 flights of stairs to my daily routine. 6 weeks in! and now an inch of my thighs! finally!
I started hiking..... now 8 weeks in and total of almost 15 lbs down, 5 inches off my tummy and 3 off my hips!
I stick to my 1200 cals, I have not changed the way I eat at all just my exercise. I am going to add in weight training now so I won't end up with the hanging skin issues and try to tighten up as I continue to loose.
For "my" body type I am finding out that this is what it takes for me to loose, trim and tone!
You have to find what is right for you John. Yes try something different and don't stress and if the Mrs won't cook for ya then cook for yourself ! Though I would try to talk to her about this and she may give you what you need!
Go over all the advice given here and take the time to do that life change you said you wanted to make! Make changes and see what works best for you! There is no perfect way to do this journey. Everyone is different , and that diversity is what makes us who we are!
I am so grateful for all the friends I have made and are helping me on my journey to getting and staying fit. That said there is no magic routine or diet that will work for everyone!
So I will say again, it is ok to take some time to find out what is going to work for you! You have had great results so far! Find what you like to do, see if it works and keep doing it! Just don't stop moving! Don't give in to the blerch! lol0 -
I really do appreciate everyone's feedback... old friends, new friends and just those making suggestions....
I do feel a bit more armed for attacking with results. That's important.
This is a lifestyle choice for me... not just a fad, or a temporary way of living.... iow... diet.
I also must consider what i've always said... "never take advice from anyone who's not doing better than you." That being said, even the guy getting bashed for his advice here looks like someone who should know what he's talking about... and that's the look that I'm aiming closer to obtaining. I've got a decent size... I'm looking to cut. I think I said that in my original question.
But, that's not to say that the opposing views are nonsense.... and Princess... you make a valid point, to some degree, we are unique and our bodies respond differently to different things.
I know the calorie deficit thing should cause weight loss... I have been on total fasts (only taking in liquids) for as long as 40 days before (not for fitness reasons, obviously... that would be crazy... but, for spiritual reasons) where I'd lose 25-30 pounds... and then, eventually I'd gain 40 back.
All things in proper balance... I have been and will continue to be more conscious of my intake... and energy expenditures.... without overthinking.... as someone said... lol.
I really can't get too discouraged, I have seen results... just want to see more... quicker. Sometimes, I think, that's what most people's problem is... they don't see what they want to see in a short enough period of time, so they quit. Well, I'm not so stupid as to think quitting is going to produce the results I want to see. Duh!
Tweaking is required... and I will discover what it takes to keep my body from adjusting to my routines and plateau-ing... I will break through it... I'll let you all know what I did and what worked, as I have come to discover that there are lots of people having the same issue.
Again... thanks... oh, and keep the ideas coming if you have any more... they're still welcomed.0 -
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