Fast metabolism; want to double recommended calories
Marlani2018
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So I was wondering if my current goal on here is 2,000 calories a day, would to much reverse the idea of weight gain? I have a fast metabolism and it has affected weight gain for years. I have read if you eat more with a fast metabolism, along with proper sleep and exercise it can speed your metabolism and burn fat faster. I was curious if I were eating 4,000+ calories a day, is this a way to gain more weight or reverse the effects possibly?
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Eating more = weight gain. 4000 calories a day would = fast weight gain.4
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Yes, eating 4,000+ calories a day would definitely be a way to gain more weight for most people. The vast majority of it being fat.5
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As others said, you will gain more weight with more calories (mostly fat).
The easiest way to gain on less calories is to do less exercise and lower your day to day activity. Basically become as sedentary as possible or doing the bare minimum exercise needed for your goals (shorter weight lifting sessions, no supersets). Not that I would recommend that, but cutting down on extra activity can help if you are not happy with your higher calorie goal and having gaining issues.
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Marlani2018 wrote: »So I was wondering if my current goal on here is 2,000 calories a day, would to much reverse the idea of weight gain? I have a fast metabolism and it has affected weight gain for years. I have read if you eat more with a fast metabolism, along with proper sleep and exercise it can speed your metabolism and burn fat faster. I was curious if I were eating 4,000+ calories a day, is this a way to gain more weight or reverse the effects possibly?
You will gain weight if you eat more than your TDEE. The more calories, the more your gain if you are stay constent with your activity levels.
Keep in mind if you weigh more, by default you will burn more calories in both daily and extra activities. I burn more calories walking at 240lb then I do at 220lbs. This doesn't equate a fair trade off of "burning fat" if I'm taking in more calories per sae.
You might or might not be confused with a having more muscle mass will burn more calories. In which we as humans are governed by how much muscle we can produce depending on proper resistance programming, how carnivorous we are, how male or less male we are, etc...
A 2000 caloric surplus doesn't produce more muscle than a 1000 calorie surplus or at least naturally.
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I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.3
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You will gain at a faster rate. Depending on activity level. Likely a good amount of fat.
I currently maintain on 4k (ultra marathon training + lifting).
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Marlani2018 wrote: »So I was wondering if my current goal on here is 2,000 calories a day, would to much reverse the idea of weight gain? I have a fast metabolism and it has affected weight gain for years. I have read if you eat more with a fast metabolism, along with proper sleep and exercise it can speed your metabolism and burn fat faster. I was curious if I were eating 4,000+ calories a day, is this a way to gain more weight or reverse the effects possibly?
You will gain weight if you eat more than your TDEE. The more calories, the more your gain if you are stay constent with your activity levels.
Keep in mind if you weigh more, by default you will burn more calories in both daily and extra activities. I burn more calories walking at 240lb then I do at 220lbs. This doesn't equate a fair trade off of "burning fat" if I'm taking in more calories per sae.
You might or might not be confused with a having more muscle mass will burn more calories. In which we as humans are governed by how much muscle we can produce depending on proper resistance programming, how carnivorous we are, how male or less male we are, etc...
A 2000 caloric surplus doesn't produce more muscle than a 1000 calorie surplus or at least naturally.
Too few calories puts your body in starvation mode and you will not loose19 -
Emeraldreign wrote: »Marlani2018 wrote: »So I was wondering if my current goal on here is 2,000 calories a day, would to much reverse the idea of weight gain? I have a fast metabolism and it has affected weight gain for years. I have read if you eat more with a fast metabolism, along with proper sleep and exercise it can speed your metabolism and burn fat faster. I was curious if I were eating 4,000+ calories a day, is this a way to gain more weight or reverse the effects possibly?
You will gain weight if you eat more than your TDEE. The more calories, the more your gain if you are stay constent with your activity levels.
Keep in mind if you weigh more, by default you will burn more calories in both daily and extra activities. I burn more calories walking at 240lb then I do at 220lbs. This doesn't equate a fair trade off of "burning fat" if I'm taking in more calories per sae.
You might or might not be confused with a having more muscle mass will burn more calories. In which we as humans are governed by how much muscle we can produce depending on proper resistance programming, how carnivorous we are, how male or less male we are, etc...
A 2000 caloric surplus doesn't produce more muscle than a 1000 calorie surplus or at least naturally.
Too few calories puts your body in starvation mode and you will not loose
starvation mode is NOT a thing - adaptive thermogenesis is, but the OP is eating 2000ish calories, so that is not likely2 -
OP - remember that the calories given from MPF are best estimate based on population and that you might need more calories to maintain/gain then what it is giving you
if you are currently eating 2000 (and making sure you are logging correctly/accurately); then up to 2300 and do the same for several weeks - log your weight daily and see what it does; continue to slowly increase calories with periods of stabilization until you reach your goal (personally, I maintain on 2400-2500 using a TDEE calculator during off-season; during triathlon season 2900-3000cal is the norm)0 -
Emeraldreign wrote: »Too few calories puts your body in starvation mode and you will not loose
Sure, if that was actually real. However, it's not. Adaptive thermogenesis is real, of course, but calorie deficits continue to produce weight loss.
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-do-i-stay-out-of-starvation-mode
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Emeraldreign wrote: »Marlani2018 wrote: »So I was wondering if my current goal on here is 2,000 calories a day, would to much reverse the idea of weight gain? I have a fast metabolism and it has affected weight gain for years. I have read if you eat more with a fast metabolism, along with proper sleep and exercise it can speed your metabolism and burn fat faster. I was curious if I were eating 4,000+ calories a day, is this a way to gain more weight or reverse the effects possibly?
You will gain weight if you eat more than your TDEE. The more calories, the more your gain if you are stay constent with your activity levels.
Keep in mind if you weigh more, by default you will burn more calories in both daily and extra activities. I burn more calories walking at 240lb then I do at 220lbs. This doesn't equate a fair trade off of "burning fat" if I'm taking in more calories per sae.
You might or might not be confused with a having more muscle mass will burn more calories. In which we as humans are governed by how much muscle we can produce depending on proper resistance programming, how carnivorous we are, how male or less male we are, etc...
A 2000 caloric surplus doesn't produce more muscle than a 1000 calorie surplus or at least naturally.
Too few calories puts your body in starvation mode and you will not loose
No. No, that actually doesn't happen at all.3 -
fuzzylop72 wrote: »Emeraldreign wrote: »Too few calories puts your body in starvation mode and you will not loose
Sure, if that was actually real. However, it's not. Adaptive thermogenesis is real, of course, but calorie deficits continue to produce weight loss.
https://examine.com/nutrition/how-do-i-stay-out-of-starvation-mode
while a calorie deficit is what is needed to lose weight it doesnt mean you are starving yourself. now if someone is eating very little then they may be starving themselves. but being in a deficit for most is not starvation.0 -
You really need to understand your energy requirements. The "Mifflin St Jeore" model is a good method of doing just that. Once you do that, consider gradual increases in calories to gain weight (e.g. +10%).0
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I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.0 -
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VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?0 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.1 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.
Lifting heavy has nothing to do with weight gain. One does not need to lift heavy to gain weight. I'm not sure how that relationship was established, but that's not the case. One can use a high-volume program with a higher caloric intake and gain weight just the same, heavy lifting is not a required variable. How is gaining weight NOT weight management or the managing of one's weight? It's like saying maintaining a good diet is exclusive to weight-loss.1 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.
Lifting heavy has nothing to do with weight gain. One does not need to lift heavy to gain weight. I'm not sure how that relationship was established, but that's not the case. One can use a high-volume program with a higher caloric intake and gain weight just the same, heavy lifting is not a required variable. How is gaining weight NOT weight management or the managing of one's weight? It's like saying maintaining a good diet is exclusive to weight-loss.
The whole premise is bulking and eating in a surplus to gain weight...if you're lifting, more of that weight will be muscle...if you're not lifting, most of it will be fat.
People are simply saying to eat in a surplus and lift if you don't want most of the weight gain to be fat...nobody is saying you have to lift to gain weight...0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.
Lifting heavy has nothing to do with weight gain. One does not need to lift heavy to gain weight. I'm not sure how that relationship was established, but that's not the case. One can use a high-volume program with a higher caloric intake and gain weight just the same, heavy lifting is not a required variable. How is gaining weight NOT weight management or the managing of one's weight? It's like saying maintaining a good diet is exclusive to weight-loss.
The whole premise is bulking and eating in a surplus to gain weight...if you're lifting, more of that weight will be muscle...if you're not lifting, most of it will be fat.
People are simply saying to eat in a surplus and lift if you don't want most of the weight gain to be fat...nobody is saying you have to lift to gain weight...
The person I referenced specifically said lifting heavy.
Notice the OP never mentioned what type of weight gain she's looking for? If her metabolism is truly over-active, exercise plus a slight calorie surplus might be enough. I've met enough individuals that have claimed to have a fast metabolism when simply they're just eating far below where they should be and when they incorporate a little more calories their weight improves without getting fat. We don't have enough information to prescribe anything, OP doesn't even know her TDEE yet.0 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.
Lifting heavy has nothing to do with weight gain. One does not need to lift heavy to gain weight. I'm not sure how that relationship was established, but that's not the case. One can use a high-volume program with a higher caloric intake and gain weight just the same, heavy lifting is not a required variable. How is gaining weight NOT weight management or the managing of one's weight? It's like saying maintaining a good diet is exclusive to weight-loss.
The whole premise is bulking and eating in a surplus to gain weight...if you're lifting, more of that weight will be muscle...if you're not lifting, most of it will be fat.
People are simply saying to eat in a surplus and lift if you don't want most of the weight gain to be fat...nobody is saying you have to lift to gain weight...
The person I referenced specifically said lifting heavy.
Notice the OP never mentioned what type of weight gain she's looking for? If her metabolism is truly over-active, exercise plus a slight calorie surplus might be enough. I've met enough individuals that have claimed to have a fast metabolism when simply they're just eating far below where they should be and when they incorporate a little more calories their weight improves without getting fat. We don't have enough information to prescribe anything, OP doesn't even know her TDEE yet.
Because to gain muscle you need to be creating progressive overload?
And seriously, who besides severely underweight people just want to gain weight no matter whether it's fat or muscle?1 -
stevencloser wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »I had been 5’5” 110lbs (underweight) age 12 to 31. I’m around 124 after increasing calories AND lifting heavy weights. Right now I’m on a 2200 calorie a day bulk and it’s still hard to put on weight. Honestly, a dirty bulk puts the pounds (and fat) on. Right now I do a cleaner bulk. My first ten pounds included a lot of vitamin D milk (haven’t had dairy milk in years), ensure, and one full fast food meal daily. I wouldn’t recommend this for more than a couple of weeks.
It's not what you eat that dictates how much fat you gain but how much alongside what training you do. Lift heavy and have a moderate surplus will mean more muscle gain vs fat gain. Lift heavy and have a large surplus means more fat gain than muscle gain. Eat any surplus and do no training and you'll just gain fat.
Clean vs dirty bulk is just bro speak.
Why lift heavy? What does lifting heavy specifically have to do with weight management?
What the weight gain ends up being. Which description above is perfect.
This OP wasn't about weight management - but weight gain.
Lifting heavy has nothing to do with weight gain. One does not need to lift heavy to gain weight. I'm not sure how that relationship was established, but that's not the case. One can use a high-volume program with a higher caloric intake and gain weight just the same, heavy lifting is not a required variable. How is gaining weight NOT weight management or the managing of one's weight? It's like saying maintaining a good diet is exclusive to weight-loss.
The whole premise is bulking and eating in a surplus to gain weight...if you're lifting, more of that weight will be muscle...if you're not lifting, most of it will be fat.
People are simply saying to eat in a surplus and lift if you don't want most of the weight gain to be fat...nobody is saying you have to lift to gain weight...
The person I referenced specifically said lifting heavy.
Notice the OP never mentioned what type of weight gain she's looking for? If her metabolism is truly over-active, exercise plus a slight calorie surplus might be enough. I've met enough individuals that have claimed to have a fast metabolism when simply they're just eating far below where they should be and when they incorporate a little more calories their weight improves without getting fat. We don't have enough information to prescribe anything, OP doesn't even know her TDEE yet.
Because to gain muscle you need to be creating progressive overload?
And seriously, who besides severely underweight people just want to gain weight no matter whether it's fat or muscle?
Trust me, I get that; spent 18-months studying it and years in the gym hitting PR's. Re-read the OP's post, it's non-specific and she doesn't even know her TDEE. She may not even need to eat in a surplus, she may just need to eat at her TDEE at this point. We don't know, not enough information to prescribe or recommend anything.2
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