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laurenebargar wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »The idea that someone would read my diary and be righteous about the "rubbish" I was eating would have been very off-putting when I was getting started. I hope the people who have asked you for help aren't seeing this thread.
I've reached a point where I don't really care that people think some of my favorite foods are "rubbish," but not everyone is there.
If I don't like bananas or don't feel like eating one in the moment, it's okay for me to pick a granola bar instead. If I find out that the granola bar leads to me feeling hungrier later, I can note that and make adjustments in future days. If I find that the granola bar causes me not to meet my nutritional needs for the day (unlikely, as it's a source of carbohydrates just like the banana would be), I can make those adjustments too. But I don't see what good is going to come from me convincing myself that a granola bar is "rubbish" and that I should want a banana instead.
This is a great point. I have a few people who have commented that drinking my calories in smoothies is a bad idea. I used to agree however after getting a blender for christmas I decided to try it out and smoothies actually keep me full until lunch time. It doesnt work for everyone but for now its something that is working for me trying out new combinations and making adjustments is such a critical part of weight loss because everyone is looking for a long term way of eating. If I hate the banana and prefer granola bars im probably not going to stick to my "clean eating" forever
Avoiding smoothies because *other people* don't find them filling is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about!
Yeah, when you're trying a smoothie for the first time it's a great idea to be aware of the general principle that some people don't find them to be filling. But once you've determined it doesn't apply to you, there's no reason to use that information to plan your personal meals. Same with any "diet truism," whether it's "skipping breakfast is a bad idea," "diet soda makes you hungry," or "carbohydrates aren't filling." Be aware that it's a possibility, but pay attention to your own body.4 -
SwissHausfrau I agree!
One thing I like about dieting is reading labels and being aware of what I am consuming.
Our bodies, gut, and mind will be happier with more natural ingredients and less preservatives and other chemicals.
Things like Doritos Cool Ranch (my weakness), ketchup, chocolate bars etc are yummy and a well deserved teat, but they do nothing for your body.
In a world where cancer and other diseases are causing so many problems I think it's important to keep the list of ingredients short and natural.
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In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
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SwissHausfrau I agree!
One thing I like about dieting is reading labels and being aware of what I am consuming.
Our bodies, gut, and mind will be happier with more natural ingredients and less preservatives and other chemicals.
Things like Doritos Cool Ranch (my weakness), ketchup, chocolate bars etc are yummy and a well deserved teat, but they do nothing for your body.
In a world where cancer and other diseases are causing so many problems I think it's important to keep the list of ingredients short and natural.
Tortilla chips, ketchup, and chocolate bars all have carbohydrates which my body can convert to energy. Ketchup and chocolate also supply antioxidants. I can also choose to purchase chocolate that is high in iron (one particular bar I buy gives me about 20% of my daily need in just one serving).
In appropriate portions, I have no issues including any of those foods in my diet and still maintaining my weight, meeting my nutritional needs, and feeling great.5 -
Everyone in this thread disagrees with you, OP.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10498878/looking-for-friends-who-dont-eat-clean-and-healthy/p18 -
SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".1 -
SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
Just because someone was eating something I didn't care for, I wouldn't assume they were not making an informed decision and/or reading ingredients. Maybe they prefer different foods, maybe they like a different mix of macronutrients, maybe they have different goals, maybe they avoid different things than I do. They're all possibilities, along with the possibility that what they're eating at a particular meal may not have been their first choice but it's the best choice they could make under the circumstances for that moment.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
You must have read a different post than the rest of us.7 -
SwissHausfrau wrote: »
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I was SHOCKED at how much rubbish and processed foods people are eating. One person ate a sausage at nearly 300 cals for breakfast. A SINGLE SAUSAGE. We were chatting via message and she said she was always hungry during the day at work and thats when she snacked.
I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not a nutrition expert and I'm here because I need to loose weight too. BUT. Try taking 30 mins out to read your own diaries and see where you can cut out the high cal processed foods. Maybe add in a boiled egg as a snack, some roasted chicken or leftover beef steak with a salad. I understand that everyone has busy lives, not everyone has control over what they eat or don't have access to be able to cook themselves but every small step will help. Don't pick up a muesli bar instead of a banana - without reading the label and making an informed decision.
I think the bolded is where most people took exception.
My personal eating preference is IIFYM. I hit my macros, I eat healthy foods. I also have candy or ice cream every night. It's called balance, happiness, and what helps me stay successful.4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
It's hard to think of a context in which eating a substance that has been deemed "rubbish" is good. It's a term we use for non-food, things that should be thrown away, things that are harmful. It's a hostile thing to say about someone's chosen food (it's actually actionable in some contexts, like an office environment with certain cultural subtexts) and it's certainly valid to interpret that as righteousness or potentially shameful for the person who is eating said "rubbish."3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
Except she's still judging people when it come to reading a list of ingredients.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »
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I was SHOCKED at how much rubbish and processed foods people are eating. One person ate a sausage at nearly 300 cals for breakfast. A SINGLE SAUSAGE. We were chatting via message and she said she was always hungry during the day at work and thats when she snacked.
I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not a nutrition expert and I'm here because I need to loose weight too. BUT. Try taking 30 mins out to read your own diaries and see where you can cut out the high cal processed foods. Maybe add in a boiled egg as a snack, some roasted chicken or leftover beef steak with a salad. I understand that everyone has busy lives, not everyone has control over what they eat or don't have access to be able to cook themselves but every small step will help. Don't pick up a muesli bar instead of a banana - without reading the label and making an informed decision.
I think the bolded is where most people took exception.
My personal eating preference is IIFYM. I hit my macros, I eat healthy foods. I also have candy or ice cream every night. It's called balance, happiness, and what helps me stay successful.
The implication that people who are eating higher calorie processed foods are somehow ignorant that these foods are in their diet and that they must re-read their own diary entries in order to figure it out is a weird one, given the successful members of this community who, you know, include some foods like this in their diet. Presumably we know what we're logging.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
Except she's still judging people when it come to reading a list of ingredients.
In what way? I see her advocating for it.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
It's hard to think of a context in which eating a substance that has been deemed "rubbish" is good. It's a term we use for non-food, things that should be thrown away, things that are harmful. It's a hostile thing to say about someone's chosen food (it's actually actionable in some contexts, like an office environment with certain cultural subtexts) and it's certainly valid to interpret that as righteousness or potentially shameful for the person who is eating said "rubbish."
Oh please. Are you seriously saying you've never heard anyone say they eat rubbish??3 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »
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I was SHOCKED at how much rubbish and processed foods people are eating. One person ate a sausage at nearly 300 cals for breakfast. A SINGLE SAUSAGE. We were chatting via message and she said she was always hungry during the day at work and thats when she snacked.
I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm not a nutrition expert and I'm here because I need to loose weight too. BUT. Try taking 30 mins out to read your own diaries and see where you can cut out the high cal processed foods. Maybe add in a boiled egg as a snack, some roasted chicken or leftover beef steak with a salad. I understand that everyone has busy lives, not everyone has control over what they eat or don't have access to be able to cook themselves but every small step will help. Don't pick up a muesli bar instead of a banana - without reading the label and making an informed decision.
I think the bolded is where most people took exception.
My personal eating preference is IIFYM. I hit my macros, I eat healthy foods. I also have candy or ice cream every night. It's called balance, happiness, and what helps me stay successful.
So, she suggested something you don't want to do. That's not shaming or judging.5 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
It's hard to think of a context in which eating a substance that has been deemed "rubbish" is good. It's a term we use for non-food, things that should be thrown away, things that are harmful. It's a hostile thing to say about someone's chosen food (it's actually actionable in some contexts, like an office environment with certain cultural subtexts) and it's certainly valid to interpret that as righteousness or potentially shameful for the person who is eating said "rubbish."
Oh please. Are you seriously saying you've never heard anyone say they eat rubbish??
I'm not sure what in my post would cause you to ask that question.
I'm talking about when people describe what *others eat* as rubbish, what we're seeing here. OP isn't describing her own diet, she's describing the feelings she has when she reads diaries and sees what others are choosing to eat.
If you think there is no difference between someone looking at their own food and saying it is "rubbish" and saying it about someone else's food, I suggest you to approach someone eating in a common work area and say it about their lunch or snack or maybe try it next time you're served food at someone's house. This may help reveal some of the differences between saying it about your own chosen food and saying it about what someone else is choosing to eat (or to serve you).6 -
She's implying that people are ignorant and don't realize what they are eating - I don't think that is the case if you've been using MFP for any length of time. It's pretty clear when you look at your diary where calories are coming from and nutrients. You (general you) would have to not be looking at all at what you input to not see this.
I also took exception to this:
If you work during the week and spend one day at the weekend at home doing laundry, house accounts and paying bills, watching TV etc, have some pots on the cooker at the same time. Yesterday I ground 6 kilo of beef, froze 4 x 500g bags for later and pressed 8 burgers, made 2 kg of bolognese which I turned into 2 lasagnes and then portioned the rest to have with spaghetti. While that was cooking I made oxtail soup - enough for 4 days for 2 people. I also turned 1.5 kilo of chicken into a thai green curry, boiled down beef shin bones for stock and started a loaf of sourdough which I will finish today and bake tomorrow for the weekend. lots of things that can all simmer away happily requiring little attention, but I can control the calories and sugar/additive levels.
For myself, being disabled and working part time, I don't have time for that. I need to clean and do laundry and I'm wiped out after that. To then take several hours to prep food and package it is a lot of work for me, so I found it really presumptuous that she would suggest everyone can do that.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »SwissHausfrau wrote: »In the interests of clarity the person I was talking about has been a friend for over 15 years, she convinced me to re-start with MFP and when we were 'chatting' on messenger and I said 'what was with the sausage at breakfast' she laughed and said that was why she wanted me to read her diary. She is still a friend and loves me staying with her as I usually cook and fill her freezer.
The reason I have an open food diary for 'friends' is because I have got into food habits and often another set of eyes can point out something that might help. If someone points out something and makes me look at myself differently thats exactly what I asked them to do. isn't that the point as well as looking at someones diary and thinking 'thats a great meal for only 400 cal'?
As I said I am here to loose weight myself as although I am careful with choices I eat too much, so I didn't intend to come across as righteous or superior or for people to think that I was 'food shaming'. Clearly I could have worded my original post differently.
I don't claim to have the answers but making informed choices and reading ingredients before making a decision instead of afterwards when putting food into the diary can make a big difference. Looking at some food diaries really made me question if people do this.
I didn't think your post was righteous and certainly not 'shaming'. It's not as if you said "do this or you're wrong".
It's hard to think of a context in which eating a substance that has been deemed "rubbish" is good. It's a term we use for non-food, things that should be thrown away, things that are harmful. It's a hostile thing to say about someone's chosen food (it's actually actionable in some contexts, like an office environment with certain cultural subtexts) and it's certainly valid to interpret that as righteousness or potentially shameful for the person who is eating said "rubbish."
Oh please. Are you seriously saying you've never heard anyone say they eat rubbish??
I'm not sure what in my post would cause you to ask that question.
I'm talking about when people describe what *others eat* as rubbish, what we're seeing here. OP isn't describing her own diet, she's describing the feelings she has when she reads diaries and sees what others are choosing to eat.
If you think there is no difference between someone looking at their own food and saying it is "rubbish" and saying it about someone else's food, I suggest you to approach someone eating in a common work area and say it about their lunch or snack or maybe try it next time you're served food at someone's house. This may help reveal some of the differences between saying it about your own chosen food and saying it about what someone else is choosing to eat (or to serve you).
It was your first sentence - It's hard to think of a context in which eating a substance that has been deemed "rubbish" is good.
Obviously "rubbish" is a subjective term when it comes to food. I eat rubbish, crap, junk occasionally.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SwissHausfrau I agree!
One thing I like about dieting is reading labels and being aware of what I am consuming.
Our bodies, gut, and mind will be happier with more natural ingredients and less preservatives and other chemicals.
Things like Doritos Cool Ranch (my weakness), ketchup, chocolate bars etc are yummy and a well deserved teat, but they do nothing for your body.
In a world where cancer and other diseases are causing so many problems I think it's important to keep the list of ingredients short and natural.
Tortilla chips, ketchup, and chocolate bars all have carbohydrates which my body can convert to energy. Ketchup and chocolate also supply antioxidants. I can also choose to purchase chocolate that is high in iron (one particular bar I buy gives me about 20% of my daily need in just one serving).
In appropriate portions, I have no issues including any of those foods in my diet and still maintaining my weight, meeting my nutritional needs, and feeling great.
Agree with Jane. Demonizing ketchup in particular always struck me as odd--it is 20 calories per tablespoon, and in addition to what Jane lists it provides 170 mg of potassium and some amount of vitamin A and C as well. It is basically tomato paste (NOTE: tomatoes are very good for you) with the tiniest touch of sugar added in addition to the considerable natural sugars in tomatoes, and enough salt that someone with high blood pressure should be careful not to eat the entire bottle. One's world will not fall apart if one has a squirt of ketchup. Moderation in all things.
I had to laugh at the sausage example. I only had to learn that lesson once, having consumed multiple breakfast links and looking up the calorie content afterwards. It does not stop me from eating all the sausage when my Polish sister in law comes to town, bringing us the glories purveyed by the finest European-oriented shops in Chicago. GET. IN. MY. BELLY.
I certainly would never regard the ultimate gift of a pig to be "rubbish", preferring to eat an animal snout to trotters, which includes eating sausage and cooking with bacon grease and lard, rather than just eating the lean unprocessed bits and literally rubbishing the rest of the animal.8 -
everyone does what works for them .
I've lost 100 pounds eating mostly how (what) i always have. granted, I dont eat a ton of prepackaged foods because i dont like them. they cost more. i enjoy cooking. however, I am gone 12 hours a day from my house. I have a son, and 5 dogs and a full time job. My son who, though he eats what i put in front of him, doesnt eat much and certainly doesnt appreciate a nice meal. So I save those, mostly, for when my fiance is home. we eat simply other times, and 'real' foods, but yes, there are plenty of times when i use some sort of skillet type freezer meal or a frozen lasagna or if i really want to make my sons day, a frozen pizza or god forbid hot dogs.
make changes where you can. Work with the amount of time you have. Do what you can. not everyone has the time or inclination to make spaghetti sauce from scratch or homemade bread every day.0
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