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dinadyna21 wrote: »I'm not trying to discount your experience but 9lbs of water weight is understandable with your condition. 100 lbs of water weight? I find that a lot harder to believe. With that much water weight she'd be in the hospital with edema, that much fluid retention is life threatening.
I was at a caloric deficit, with an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day. Everything was logged. Exercise was daily. Again, you are talking to someone who was in the competitive weight lifting field and who majored in kinesiology. This was a whole new world for me, as it has been for other people. When you are not medicated, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd love to see your degree with all of your knowledge on the topic. Not everything is kcal in and kcal out.
Another disorder that drastically impacts this is PCOS. There are several that will do that.
So again, educate yourself instead of spewing out random *kitten*. Pardon my French.21 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »I'm not trying to discount your experience but 9lbs of water weight is understandable with your condition. 100 lbs of water weight? I find that a lot harder to believe. With that much water weight she'd be in the hospital with edema, that much fluid retention is life threatening.
I was at a caloric deficit, with an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day. Everything was logged. Exercise was daily. Again, you are talking to someone who was in the competitive weight lifting field and who majored in kinesiology. This was a whole new world for me, as it has been for other people. When you are not medicated, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd love to see your degree with all of your knowledge on the topic. Not everything is kcal in and kcal out.
Another disorder that drastically impacts this is PCOS. There are several that will do that.
So again, educate yourself instead of spewing out random *kitten*. Pardon my French.
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.11 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »I'm not trying to discount your experience but 9lbs of water weight is understandable with your condition. 100 lbs of water weight? I find that a lot harder to believe. With that much water weight she'd be in the hospital with edema, that much fluid retention is life threatening.
I was at a caloric deficit, with an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day. Everything was logged. Exercise was daily. Again, you are talking to someone who was in the competitive weight lifting field and who majored in kinesiology. This was a whole new world for me, as it has been for other people. When you are not medicated, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd love to see your degree with all of your knowledge on the topic. Not everything is kcal in and kcal out.
Another disorder that drastically impacts this is PCOS. There are several that will do that.
So again, educate yourself instead of spewing out random *kitten*. Pardon my French.
Please don't get frustrated. Let's leave our egos at the door and try to come from it at another angle. If you feel adamant about your position, let it inspire you to get more research and information. Not insight anger and defiance. We can all learn something.7 -
dinadyna21 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.
It all comes down to hormones and the endocrine system. When bodies don't metabolize correctly, as well as when other chemicals are present, it changes the body's chemistry. Honestly, there is way too much to get into and I am at work... quite irritated with your posts. Do some research and you will find what I am talking about, guaranteed. Otherwise, I am done here. Not into stupid internet debates. I have more important things on my plate.21 -
Differences in BMRs are associated with changes in energy balance. Energy balance reflects the difference between the amount of calories one eats and the amount of calories the body uses. If a high BMR is induced by the administration of drugs, such as amphetamines, animals often have a negative energy balance which leads to weight loss. Based on such studies many people have concluded that changes in thyroid hormone levels, which lead to changes in BMR, should also cause changes in energy balance and similar changes in body weight. However, BMRs are not the whole story relating weight and thyroid. For example, when metabolic rates are reduced in animals by various means (for example by decreasing the body temperature), these animals often do not show the expected excess weight gain. Thus, the relationship between metabolic rates, energy balance, and weight changes is very complex. There are many other hormones (besides thyroid hormone), proteins, and other chemicals that are very important for controlling energy expenditure, food intake, and body weight. Because all these substances interact on both the brain centers that regulate energy expenditure and tissues throughout the body that control energy expenditure and energy intake, we cannot predict the effect of altering only one of these factors (such as thyroid hormone) on body weight as a whole. As a consequence, at this time, we are unable to predict the effect of changing thyroid state on any individual’s body weight.
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herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.
It all comes down to hormones and the endocrine system. When bodies don't metabolize correctly, as well as when other chemicals are present, it changes the body's chemistry. Honestly, there is way too much to get into and I am at work... quite irritated with your posts. Do some research and you will find what I am talking about, guaranteed. Otherwise, I am done here. Not into stupid internet debates. I have more important things on my plate.
You are right. And the bolded part of your post is all part of the CO side of the CI=CO equation. Just because someone has more variables on that side of the equation does not make the CICO equation any less correct.13 -
magster4isu wrote: »herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.
It all comes down to hormones and the endocrine system. When bodies don't metabolize correctly, as well as when other chemicals are present, it changes the body's chemistry. Honestly, there is way too much to get into and I am at work... quite irritated with your posts. Do some research and you will find what I am talking about, guaranteed. Otherwise, I am done here. Not into stupid internet debates. I have more important things on my plate.
You are right. And the bolded part of your post is all part of the CO side of the CI=CO equation. Just because someone has more variables on that side of the equation does not make the CICO equation any less correct.
+1 the numbers might change but the equation stays the same. Hormones might affect your appetite, mood, sleep schedule, energy levels but at the end of the day you choose what gets put into your mouth. And how much you put in determines your weight.
You gained 100lbs in 4.5 months because you ate too much. No one needs to a degree to figure that out.7 -
magster4isu wrote: »herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.
It all comes down to hormones and the endocrine system. When bodies don't metabolize correctly, as well as when other chemicals are present, it changes the body's chemistry. Honestly, there is way too much to get into and I am at work... quite irritated with your posts. Do some research and you will find what I am talking about, guaranteed. Otherwise, I am done here. Not into stupid internet debates. I have more important things on my plate.
You are right. And the bolded part of your post is all part of the CO side of the CI=CO equation. Just because someone has more variables on that side of the equation does not make the CICO equation any less correct.
Well said, and probably better than how I would have put it.
Health issues don't change the game you're playing or the rules of the game, they simply change the hand you are dealt.4 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »Differences in BMRs are associated with changes in energy balance. Energy balance reflects the difference between the amount of calories one eats and the amount of calories the body uses. If a high BMR is induced by the administration of drugs, such as amphetamines, animals often have a negative energy balance which leads to weight loss. Based on such studies many people have concluded that changes in thyroid hormone levels, which lead to changes in BMR, should also cause changes in energy balance and similar changes in body weight. However, BMRs are not the whole story relating weight and thyroid. For example, when metabolic rates are reduced in animals by various means (for example by decreasing the body temperature), these animals often do not show the expected excess weight gain. Thus, the relationship between metabolic rates, energy balance, and weight changes is very complex. There are many other hormones (besides thyroid hormone), proteins, and other chemicals that are very important for controlling energy expenditure, food intake, and body weight. Because all these substances interact on both the brain centers that regulate energy expenditure and tissues throughout the body that control energy expenditure and energy intake, we cannot predict the effect of altering only one of these factors (such as thyroid hormone) on body weight as a whole. As a consequence, at this time, we are unable to predict the effect of changing thyroid state on any individual’s body weight.
It's customary to include your sources when you do a copy/paste.
BTW to summarise what people are trying to tell you can be boiled down to the phrase we all (hopefully!) heard in school.....
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed."
If you are in an energy deficit you will lose fat, your numbers may be different to another individual but the principle remains the same.8 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »Differences in BMRs are associated with changes in energy balance. Energy balance reflects the difference between the amount of calories one eats and the amount of calories the body uses. If a high BMR is induced by the administration of drugs, such as amphetamines, animals often have a negative energy balance which leads to weight loss. Based on such studies many people have concluded that changes in thyroid hormone levels, which lead to changes in BMR, should also cause changes in energy balance and similar changes in body weight. However, BMRs are not the whole story relating weight and thyroid. For example, when metabolic rates are reduced in animals by various means (for example by decreasing the body temperature), these animals often do not show the expected excess weight gain. Thus, the relationship between metabolic rates, energy balance, and weight changes is very complex. There are many other hormones (besides thyroid hormone), proteins, and other chemicals that are very important for controlling energy expenditure, food intake, and body weight. Because all these substances interact on both the brain centers that regulate energy expenditure and tissues throughout the body that control energy expenditure and energy intake, we cannot predict the effect of altering only one of these factors (such as thyroid hormone) on body weight as a whole. As a consequence, at this time, we are unable to predict the effect of changing thyroid state on any individual’s body weight.
This is patently false.
Hormones moderate BMR/REE by ~5% from clinical observation.
Lean muscle mass is by far the primary determinant in BMR. CICO amounts to ~80-90% of weight management.
Hormonal shifts impact water weight, appetite, and satiety signals - all of which are driven and moderated by behavior.7 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »
I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile, I also find it hilarious you seem to think I believe you're ignorant when I never said anything of the sort. I'm glad you've studied Kinesiology, it's good to educate yourself. Regardless I've studied Biology and Physics which govern all living beings. So kindly explain to me, and make sure to cite your sources, why you believe that a medical condition can cause anyone to break the laws of thermodynamics which kcal in and kcal out is based on.
It all comes down to hormones and the endocrine system. When bodies don't metabolize correctly, as well as when other chemicals are present, it changes the body's chemistry. Honestly, there is way too much to get into and I am at work... quite irritated with your posts. Do some research and you will find what I am talking about, guaranteed. Otherwise, I am done here. Not into stupid internet debates. I have more important things on my plate.
Bodies not metabolizing correctly results in disease and death.
Weight loss/gain means that the metabolic pathways are working.1 -
herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »I'm not trying to discount your experience but 9lbs of water weight is understandable with your condition. 100 lbs of water weight? I find that a lot harder to believe. With that much water weight she'd be in the hospital with edema, that much fluid retention is life threatening.
I was at a caloric deficit, with an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day. Everything was logged. Exercise was daily. Again, you are talking to someone who was in the competitive weight lifting field and who majored in kinesiology. This was a whole new world for me, as it has been for other people. When you are not medicated, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd love to see your degree with all of your knowledge on the topic. Not everything is kcal in and kcal out.
Another disorder that drastically impacts this is PCOS. There are several that will do that.
So again, educate yourself instead of spewing out random *kitten*. Pardon my French.
Are you the person who gained 100 pounds in 4.5 months as stated in another post?
Because that is mathematically impossible at an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day, no matter what you claim.
There's roughly 3500 kcal of available energy in 1 pound of fat. Times 100 makes 350000, divided by 4.5 months is 77778, divided by 30 days per month is an EXCESS of ~2600.
Unless you're trying to claim your body produces energy out of thin air instead of using it to work, your claim does not compute.3 -
stevencloser wrote: »herownkindofwonderfull wrote: »dinadyna21 wrote: »I'm not trying to discount your experience but 9lbs of water weight is understandable with your condition. 100 lbs of water weight? I find that a lot harder to believe. With that much water weight she'd be in the hospital with edema, that much fluid retention is life threatening.
I was at a caloric deficit, with an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day. Everything was logged. Exercise was daily. Again, you are talking to someone who was in the competitive weight lifting field and who majored in kinesiology. This was a whole new world for me, as it has been for other people. When you are not medicated, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd love to see your degree with all of your knowledge on the topic. Not everything is kcal in and kcal out.
Another disorder that drastically impacts this is PCOS. There are several that will do that.
So again, educate yourself instead of spewing out random *kitten*. Pardon my French.
Are you the person who gained 100 pounds in 4.5 months as stated in another post?
Because that is mathematically impossible at an intake of 1200-1400 kcals per day, no matter what you claim.
There's roughly 3500 kcal of available energy in 1 pound of fat. Times 100 makes 350000, divided by 4.5 months is 77778, divided by 30 days per month is an EXCESS of ~2600.
Unless you're trying to claim your body produces energy out of thin air instead of using it to work, your claim does not compute.
Apparently she gained because she wasn't Keto enough, or had enough regulated hormones or something. /sarcasm3 -
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