Sugar?
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I'm not really asking in hopes of changing anything in my diet just out of curiosity really. I read about the 25grams and I thought that there must be a number for natural sugars as a guide or suggestion since the overconsumption of fruits seems unhealthy to me even if it falls within the appropriate amount of one's calories. Eating 1800 calories worth in bananas and nothing else in a day can't be good for you right?
Well that problem with that diet is it doesn't bring in fats and proteins which are essential. But of all the nutrients, I would put the least amount of emphasis on sugar. There are much more important nutrients, such as proteins and fiber. The reason one may reduce the amount of sugar you consume is it can crowd other sources and if you eat a lot of ultra processed foods (which include high amounts of fats and sugar), then it can be very easy add a lot of calories.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
This is a good point.
A mockumentary is self-aware and expects its audience to get the joke.3 -
I dont like to debate on the way difderent sugars are processed i go by one rule only. That all excess sugar gets processed the same way no matter where it comes from. Your body will store it in fat cells for later.
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How are you defining excess sugar? And how is that different from excess starches or excess fat?4
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haleyrhart wrote: »I dont like to debate on the way difderent sugars are processed i go by one rule only. That all excess sugar gets processed the same way no matter where it comes from. Your body will store it in fat cells for later.
only in a caloric surplus, otherwise it's stored as glycogen in your muscles (unless needed for immediate energy).3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Wow, I agree in theory about the need to be a critical thinker and demand sources, but this seems like such an over generalization. Do you really fact check/source check every single food/nutrition film that gets released such that you know for sure they are all "propaganda hack jobs"?7 -
@spvlat : I appreciate your question. I tried to research this very question and could not find a satisfactory answer.
I gave up all sugar a few years ago and in so doing, lost my taste for fruit. It all just tastes too sweet. I make up for this with vegetables (I eat 6-7 servings) on typical days.
Giving up sugar helped me curb carb cravings, which has been critical to my weight loss success. For me, carbs (Simple) are a serious trigger food. All that happens when I eat them is that I want more carbs. No matter what my fullness level actually is.4 -
Cleosweetie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Wow, I agree in theory about the need to be a critical thinker and demand sources, but this seems like such an over generalization. Do you really fact check/source check every single food/nutrition film that gets released such that you know for sure they are all "propaganda hack jobs"?
Very often if you are familiar with the topics being discussed it's obvious where they are distorting things or cherry picking or taking things out of context.8 -
@lemurcat12 while obviously true, it's not unique to this documentary, or even documentaries on nutrition. It's pretty common across all documentaries -- they're not to find the truth, they're to present their viewpoint in the best light.
If you're going to netflix to get a summary of the current science on any topic, you're probably going to have a bad time.3 -
fuzzylop72 wrote: »@lemurcat12 while obviously true, it's not unique to this documentary, or even documentaries on nutrition. It's pretty common across all documentaries -- they're not to find the truth, they're to present their viewpoint in the best light.
If you're going to netflix to get a summary of the current science on any topic, you're probably going to have a bad time.
Yeah, I agree. Why'd you call me out on that?1 -
Still seems like a lot of generalizations going on here.7
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Cleosweetie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Wow, I agree in theory about the need to be a critical thinker and demand sources, but this seems like such an over generalization. Do you really fact check/source check every single food/nutrition film that gets released such that you know for sure they are all "propaganda hack jobs"?
Honestly, those films have come up so often on here as a reason to completely overhaul your diet that many of us have researched them. In general, if you see or read something that raises questions in your mind, additional research is always the way to go.
I used to watch the Dateline Mystery on tv every week. The first half of the show would convince me that one person had committed the murder, and then the second half would convince me the first half was wrong and someone else did it. And I'm naturally a cynic. I decided at that point never to take anything I see in an "infotainment" package like that at face value. The people making it are trying to win you over, they are going to cherrypick, show everyone who agrees with them in the best light, and not include the stuff that weakens their case. It's just common sense and human nature. You don't even have to ascribe bad intentions to them - they are passionate and trying to help you see the light as it is in their opinion.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Cleosweetie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Wow, I agree in theory about the need to be a critical thinker and demand sources, but this seems like such an over generalization. Do you really fact check/source check every single food/nutrition film that gets released such that you know for sure they are all "propaganda hack jobs"?
Very often if you are familiar with the topics being discussed it's obvious where they are distorting things or cherry picking or taking things out of context.
^ This, exactly. Also, as you learn how to properly vet your sources, you learn who the junk science/snake oil peddlers are and what their agendas/biases are. If their name is attached to something, you already know what they'll be demonizing.4 -
haleyrhart wrote: »I dont like to debate on the way difderent sugars are processed i go by one rule only. That all excess sugar gets processed the same way no matter where it comes from. Your body will store it in fat cells for later.
Technically, sugar rarely stores as body fat. Primarily, it will be stored as glycogen or oxidized immediately for energy; this has been demonstrated by De Novo Lipogenesis studies. Dietary fats generally store as fat.6 -
haleyrhart wrote: »I dont like to debate on the way difderent sugars are processed i go by one rule only. That all excess sugar gets processed the same way no matter where it comes from. Your body will store it in fat cells for later.
Technically, sugar rarely stores as body fat. Primarily, it will be stored as glycogen or oxidized immediately for energy; this has been demonstrated by De Novo Lipogenesis studies. Dietary fats generally store as fat.
Good read to back that up: https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/
Excerpt:Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people...6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Exactly. They’re as factually accurate as The Office.3 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
OK, but can we all stop misusing the word "mockumentary"? A mockumentary is a film like "Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show," which intends to be funny by "mocking" documentaries or the specific subject of the mockumenary, or both. I don't think films like "Fed Up" intend to be funny. They want you to believe the misinformation they're peddling. "Propaganda" might be a better term, if you want to differentiate them from some idealized, Platonic documentary that is perfectly even-handed.
I don't find it entirely inappropriate though, because films like "Fed Up", "What the Health", "That Sugar Film", etc. make a complete mockery of truthfulness, honesty, science, basic physiology and nutrition. They're biased, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack jobs. I do agree that there's nothing funny about them, though - they're completely disgusting.
Exactly. They’re as factually accurate as The Office.
As factually accurate as Die Hard, and as scientifically accurate as The Matrix.
Oh, and equally fictitious as either of them.2 -
I am doing a 30 day no added sugar diet. Why? Because I’ve done it before, and it totally changed the way that I ate, it made me avoid most processed foods, as nearly everything has added sugar in it. I cooked every day from scratch, I lost weight, my tastes and cravings changed. I then travelled to the USA for a month and ended up falling off the wagon, so now I’m
Back ON the wagon,
At the end of the day, sugar provides no nutrition whatsoever (in its added form), but when you eat it as part of fruit, it’s packed with fibre and lots of other micronutrients and vitamins. Because of the fibre not all of the sugar is absorbed and is absorbed at a much slower rate.
I just don’t get why as soon as you mention taking sugar out of your diet everyone goes crazy at you, and tells me how ridiculous it is. Whereas when I’ve done low fat or low carb people just nod and go ok. Fat and carbs are essential to our bodies (good fats of course!) but sugar has absolutely no nutritional benefits. Why wouldn’t I cut it out? It also does bug me that MFP doesn’t differentiate between added and natural sugars. 10g of sugar from an apple is NOT the same as 10g of sugar from chocolate. And I’m really tired of people telling me it is.11 -
louisepaul16 wrote: »I am doing a 30 day no added sugar diet. Why? Because I’ve done it before, and it totally changed the way that I ate, it made me avoid most processed foods, as nearly everything has added sugar in it. I cooked every day from scratch, I lost weight, my tastes and cravings changed. I then travelled to the USA for a month and ended up falling off the wagon, so now I’m
Back ON the wagon,
At the end of the day, sugar provides no nutrition whatsoever (in its added form), but when you eat it as part of fruit, it’s packed with fibre and lots of other micronutrients and vitamins. Because of the fibre not all of the sugar is absorbed and is absorbed at a much slower rate.
I just don’t get why as soon as you mention taking sugar out of your diet everyone goes crazy at you, and tells me how ridiculous it is. Whereas when I’ve done low fat or low carb people just nod and go ok. Fat and carbs are essential to our bodies (good fats of course!) but sugar has absolutely no nutritional benefits. Why wouldn’t I cut it out? It also does bug me that MFP doesn’t differentiate between added and natural sugars. 10g of sugar from an apple is NOT the same as 10g of sugar from chocolate. And I’m really tired of people telling me it is.
MFP doesn't differentiate because the nutrition labels don't, and so how would MFP establish the difference between added and natural sugars? Biochemically, your body doesn't differentiate it either - the sugar in the apple truly is the same as the sugar in a chocolate bar and you may not like me stating that but there are others who may not understand it for whom that information is helpful.
People continue to reinforce that sugar, even added sugar in moderation can be part of an otherwise balanced diet... because so many people are laboring under the misconception that you have to give up all the foods you enjoy to be successful and that's just not the case. A lot of people never even start trying to lose, or they give up, because they find it too difficult to adhere to. And your story suggests that you have similar experiences, otherwise you wouldn't refer to it as a wagon that you're getting on and off...
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WinoGelato wrote: »louisepaul16 wrote: »I am doing a 30 day no added sugar diet. Why? Because I’ve done it before, and it totally changed the way that I ate, it made me avoid most processed foods, as nearly everything has added sugar in it. I cooked every day from scratch, I lost weight, my tastes and cravings changed. I then travelled to the USA for a month and ended up falling off the wagon, so now I’m
Back ON the wagon,
At the end of the day, sugar provides no nutrition whatsoever (in its added form), but when you eat it as part of fruit, it’s packed with fibre and lots of other micronutrients and vitamins. Because of the fibre not all of the sugar is absorbed and is absorbed at a much slower rate.
I just don’t get why as soon as you mention taking sugar out of your diet everyone goes crazy at you, and tells me how ridiculous it is. Whereas when I’ve done low fat or low carb people just nod and go ok. Fat and carbs are essential to our bodies (good fats of course!) but sugar has absolutely no nutritional benefits. Why wouldn’t I cut it out? It also does bug me that MFP doesn’t differentiate between added and natural sugars. 10g of sugar from an apple is NOT the same as 10g of sugar from chocolate. And I’m really tired of people telling me it is.
MFP doesn't differentiate because the nutrition labels don't, and so how would MFP establish the difference between added and natural sugars? Biochemically, your body doesn't differentiate it either - the sugar in the apple truly is the same as the sugar in a chocolate bar and you may not like me stating that but there are others who may not understand it for whom that information is helpful.
People continue to reinforce that sugar, even added sugar in moderation can be part of an otherwise balanced diet... because so many people are laboring under the misconception that you have to give up all the foods you enjoy to be successful and that's just not the case. A lot of people never even start trying to lose, or they give up, because they find it too difficult to adhere to. And your story suggests that you have similar experiences, otherwise you wouldn't refer to it as a wagon that you're getting on and off...
I agree sugar can be enjoyed in moderation. But the majority of people can’t do moderation with sugar. Even on this thread people have been saying 25g a day? That seems really low. Not really. Not in comparison to how much sugar people used to eat in the past.
I refer to it as a wagon as I am a compulsive over-eater. I cannot have half a bar of chocolate or one donut from a Packet. I will eat the entire damn packet then go and buy a second one and eat that too. I just...can’t. So it’s safer for me to eliminate it totally, then slowly my tastes change and my cravings change. I have tried every diet going, high fat, low fat, high carb low carb, you name it, I’ve probably tried it. Cutting out the sugar is what works for me..... and I think that anyone who is trying to cut their sugar consumption should be spurred on with that, rather than told, oh you shouldn’t bother with that, it doesn’t really matter anyway, which is what I feel like most people feel like.
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