How to measure a serving size for vegetables & fruits..?

tinkerbellang83

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

There's no one over weight because they eat too much fruit or vegetables.

Of course there are, you only have to spend 10 mins browsing the weight loss forum for all of the "I've been eating clean for 2 months but lost no weight" posts and additionally I know several overweight vegans.

You gain weight by overeating, it doesn't matter what you're eating if it makes you eat above what you're burning.

I have a 500 calorie deficit, which could easily be wiped out by a Banana, an avocado and some veg over the course of a day. That's not to say I limit fruit and veg, but I do plan my meals to ensure I get adequate Protein, Fats & Carbs.

mmapags

Terrytriesharder wrote: »

Show me a person who got fat eating fruits and I will show you a person with a deep fat dryer and too much time on their hands.

See my post above. I've seen lots of them. Of course they were eating fats too but it's still CICO.

Rebecca0224

Terrytriesharder wrote: »

Show me a person who got fat eating fruits and I will show you a person with a deep fat dryer and too much time on their hands.

I can easily eat 500-1000 calories of raw fruits and vegetables a day. Not everyone is going to enjoy the same foods so assuming people don't over eat fruits and vegetables is ignorant. We have to limit fresh vegetables and only buy fruit I don't like because I over eat those foods. 500 calories of vegetables is still 500 calories.

amusedmonkey

It's interesting how many people think of their diet in terms of single foods, not in terms of the sum of them. Weight gain is basically a diet that surpasses the body's energy needs, where these calories come from is irrelevant outside of how they contribute to calorie management as a whole. People also fall for that when they're trying to eat healthy as if a single food is going to be the difference between a healthy and an unhealthy diet.

It's also interesting that logging is seen as a negative thing used to limit stuff, not as the information tool it is. I log my high days where I'm way over calories because that's useful information. The act of logging doesn't automatically translate to limiting things. Sometimes it's done for weight gain, or to track certain things a person is interested in like fiber and protein. Some people do it for weight maintenance to insure they're eating enough to maintain their weight...etc.

fitoverfortymom

I might steal a nibble of broccoli or cucumber while I'm prepping dinner and not log it, but when I'm eating a crapton of veggies for dinner, I weigh my portion you're damn skippy. My main course tonight is zucchini noodles slathered in pesto, and I will weigh every last zoodle that crosses my lips.

Tacklewasher

I admit I stopped weighing my veggies. I've been weighing them for a while and know what ~85g looks like for my baby carrots and snap peas, so I grab and go now. I know I've got wiggle room with them as the calorie hit isn't bad if I'm over a bit. Same for fruit. I'm good logging an apple or banana as a medium because I've weighed enough to know it's close.

But they still get logged.

Fatmansyndrome

Fat vegans are eating too much other things like vegan ice cream. I know it's cico but it ain't the veggies or fruits that's putting them over.

kimny72

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Fat vegans are eating too much other things like vegan ice cream. I know it's cico but it ain't the veggies or fruits that's putting them over.

But that's not the point. If you're going to count calories, fruits and veggies have calories. I weigh and log my fruits because they can be calorie dense, and I weigh and log my veggies to make sure I'm getting enough and to be sure my calories are where I want them. Not sure why you think weighing veggies means limiting them. It means keeping an accurate record of what you ate.

lili200

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

There's no one over weight because they eat too much fruit or vegetables.

Fruits contain plenty of sugar. I eat a lot of them a day and was told to limit them to 3-4

lili200

mmapags wrote: »

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

There's no one over weight because they eat too much fruit or vegetables.

So, you've never met an overweight vegan? Used to manage a restaurant that catered to vegans and those with special dietary needs like G.F. Or dairy free. I've seen lots of them.

They are overweight from other stuff ( French fries..)

Fatmansyndrome

Guess my point is eating too many vegetables and fruits isn't the problem with over weight people... it's the other things they eat...and if they were to eat a lot more vegetables and fruit they might not eat so much garbage

Fatmansyndrome

Pulling out the scale to weigh an apple just seems ridiculous to me as the apple is the least of the dieters problem

amusedmonkey

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Guess my point is eating too many vegetables and fruits isn't the problem with over weight people... it's the other things they eat...and if they were to eat a lot more vegetables and fruit they might not eat so much garbage

Like I mentioned earlier, I consume about 500 calories of fruits and vegetables daily (more if I'm going through a fruit phase). That's way more than many people consume and what I've always done. It did not prevent me from getting to 300 pounds. The rest of my food was rarely "garbage" either. I just had (have) an affinity for olive oil, nuts, and dried fruits.

That's besides the point, though. What does any of this have to do with logging? How does keeping track of food discourage eating fruits and vegetables? If anything, seeing in numbers how much satiety for the calories they provide is eye opening and encouraging for some people. When someone is hungry, 150 calories of vegetables provides better satiety than two cookies, so that choice gets made more often and cookies are consumed only when there are worth it, like when you have extra calories left or when it would help adherence. Skimping on vegetables in order to save calories is rarely worth it (at least for me). Saving calories by rationing something else has a better payoff because I don't feel like I'm giving up too much. There is even a huge thread around these parts on volume eating, which features a lot of vegetables. What would be discouraging is to feel like you're making an effort by eating more fruits and vegetables and then not having it pay off because the total calories don't add up to a deficit.

kimny72

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Pulling out the scale to weigh an apple just seems ridiculous to me as the apple is the least of the dieters problem

You're still missing the point. The dieters problem is calories. Fruit has calories. I've eaten an 80 cal apple and I've eaten a 170 cal apple. For a woman trying to stay under 1500 cals, those differences can add up. It's fairly common for people trying to lose weight to switch out their old treat foods for fruit and think they don't have to account for them because they're healthier. But an apple, a banana, and a bunch of grapes could be 300 cals or it could be 600 cals.

rheddmobile

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Why would u limit those?

There are a number of reasons, but one obvious one is diabetes. Many fruits are high in sugar and it's very easy to eat too many carbs in one sitting and spike your blood glucose. One large banana is more than I can easily tolerate. If I'm having other carbs as part of a meal, I definitely need to control my portions.

Alatariel75

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Pulling out the scale to weigh an apple just seems ridiculous to me as the apple is the least of the dieters problem

My scale lives on the counter. It takes literally seconds to weigh something. It seems ridiculous to me that someone wouldn't want to take literally seconds to do their best at an endeavour. If i didn't weigh that Apple, on 1200 calls a day is either have to guess the Apple cals and come in under 1200 to compensate or risk being over and not have a reasonable idea what result I'm getting in the scale that week. I'd rather take the few seconds to weigh my Apple.

SLLeask

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Pulling out the scale to weigh an apple just seems ridiculous to me as the apple is the least of the dieters problem

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

Guess my point is eating too many vegetables and fruits isn't the problem with over weight people... it's the other things they eat...and if they were to eat a lot more vegetables and fruit they might not eat so much garbage

What is ridiculous is that I used to think the same way to a degree and it wasn't until I wasn't losing weight eating lots and lots of fruit and veg and I started weighing all that fruit and veg and realised I was eating over 600 "extra" calories (at least, some days) in things like avocado, peaches, plums, grapes etc. It wasn't the other stuff I was eating that was causing the problems, that was all logged.... Now, when I count calories, I count it all, that way I have all the information. Yes, eating too much fruit and veg can make you fat!

Alatariel75

@Fatmansyndrome - if you have a cup that holds 1200 ml, and you try to put 1500ml of different liquids in it, it's not one particular liquid that's going to make it spill over - it's the fact that there's too much liquid for the cup in total.

I'm going to make assumptions here, but you're a dude and given your username, I assume you're overweight. You will likely have a high enough TDEE that a few hundred calories either way won't really mess with your losses. But when you're a short woman eating 1200 calories a day, 300-400 calories in fruit and veg most definitely is worth tracking and can significantly impact your deficit.

mmapags

lili200 wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

Fatmansyndrome wrote: »

There's no one over weight because they eat too much fruit or vegetables.

So, you've never met an overweight vegan? Used to manage a restaurant that catered to vegans and those with special dietary needs like G.F. Or dairy free. I've seen lots of them.

They are overweight from other stuff ( French fries..)

Nonsense.