Lyle McDonald: Legit or FOS?
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Ahhhh... I can’t decide if I want it. I’ve never paid $50 for a book0
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"Any given reader of this book will have their own pattern (or patterns) and, within the context of this book (and
perhaps moreso Volume 2), women or their coaches will have to be their own best scientist."
That is completely within reason to state for any person. Textbooks worth at least 3x the price point are going to describe physiological differences and variations in the female biology, but they may not be able to articulate how those differences influence specific nutrition and training as it relates to the female athlete, which is what this book is supposed to address.
Besides, not many textbook authors go the extra mile to talk about menstrual bleeding so they can specifically use the term "chunky bits."
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grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
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Please make a thread of TOP people in the industry because their is SO much kittenwash and broscience out there it gives me a headache.racwalleye wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
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Please make a thread of TOP people in the industry because their is SO much kittenwash and broscience out there it gives me a headache.racwalleye wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
We could definitely make a list of evidence based or highly qualified professionals to follow. I'd start with:
Alan Aragon
Eric Helms
Danny Lennon
Lawrence Judd
Luke Johnson
Bret Contreras
Layne Norton
Greg Nuckols
Mike Israetel
Brad Schoenfeld
Just a few that come to the top of my head
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Please make a thread of TOP people in the industry because their is SO much kittenwash and broscience out there it gives me a headache.racwalleye wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
We could definitely make a list of evidence based or highly qualified professionals to follow. I'd start with:
Alan Aragon
Eric Helms
Danny Lennon
Lawrence Judd
Luke Johnson
Bret Contreras
Layne Norton
Greg Nuckols
Mike Israetel
Brad Schoenfeld
Just a few that come to the top of my head
^ Solid list. I'd also add James Krieger. And Lyle, since he's not explicitly included in the list above. And although he's a coach as opposed to a researcher per se, Patrick Umphrey has a lot of very thoughtful, evidence-based insight into both training and diet. Steve Troutman also puts out a lot of good information, and leans heavily onto the psychological/mental/cognitive side of things.3 -
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Please make a thread of TOP people in the industry because their is SO much kittenwash and broscience out there it gives me a headache.racwalleye wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
We could definitely make a list of evidence based or highly qualified professionals to follow. I'd start with:
Alan Aragon
Eric Helms
Danny Lennon
Lawrence Judd
Luke Johnson
Bret Contreras
Layne Norton
Greg Nuckols
Mike Israetel
Brad Schoenfeld
Just a few that come to the top of my head
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Please make a thread of TOP people in the industry because their is SO much kittenwash and broscience out there it gives me a headache.racwalleye wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Other than genetics and the difference in genitalia, arguably the largest biological difference between women and men is in the relative amounts of the primary reproductive hormones.
I was open to reading Lyle's article regarding women when it was recommended elsewhere here on MFP (https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/announcements/women-nutrition-fat-loss-teaser.html/).
Then I read the above quoted sentence written by Lyle it contains. It tells me all I need to know about him. And that would be he doesn't know anything, is too lazy to bother to learn otherwise, but is going to insist he's a subject matter expert nonetheless. Ain't got no time for such nonsense.
Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Yet he's in the final process of publishing a women's book that's nearly 400 pages long and contains almost 1,000 references to peer-reviewed research. The most comprehensive, evidence-based book about women's training and nutrition that's ever been written. He's also currently coaching a female powerlifter who's doing quite well in her competitions. That is, if you'd consider holding the current world records for each lift in her age/weight class as "quite well".
To say that Lyle knows nothing about females is absolutely laughable. To say that he sometimes has a dry, sarcastic and somewhat tawdry sense of humor which shows through in his writings would be entirely accurate.
Agreed.
Lyle is indeed on top of the game. He is very well respected for many reasons.
But as others said, he is brash. But so are lots of people. He likes to deal with those that aren't total beginners, he gets frustrated with simple questions easily.
I'd say he's probably top 5 in the industry if not better.
We could definitely make a list of evidence based or highly qualified professionals to follow. I'd start with:
Alan Aragon
Eric Helms
Danny Lennon
Lawrence Judd
Luke Johnson
Bret Contreras
Layne Norton
Greg Nuckols
Mike Israetel
Brad Schoenfeld
Just a few that come to the top of my head
^ Solid list. I'd also add James Krieger. And Lyle, since he's not explicitly included in the list above.
Oh funny, I thought I put James. I just looked up to see if I spelled his last name correctly.0 -
How did it just hit me what FOS stood for? That PSMF ruined my brain. jk. sorry bad jk.2
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Tony Gentilcore
Eric Cressey
Nick Tumminello
Stuart Phillips PhD
Dean Somerset4 -
How did it just hit me what FOS stood for? That PSMF ruined my brain. jk. sorry bad jk.
If it's per the RFL protocol, it's completely soul-sucking. I think that's forgiveable. Lol.
May as well also throw in Michael Zourdos to complete the MASS trinity with Eric Helms and Greg Nuckols.
I think some other credible individuals would be:
Dr. Jose Antonio - head of the ISSN
Alex Leaf - Examine.com
Aadam Ali - Physiqonomics
Sohee Lee - Sohee Fit2 -
can we add Jeff Cavaliere (athlean x) - not a researcher, but he backs up what he says and challenges a lot of the broscience.3
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As someone who has used RFL, UD2.0 and SFP from him with great success, I am inclined to say that he knows what he is doing.2
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Muscleflex79 wrote: »can we add Jeff Cavaliere (athlean x) - not a researcher, but he backs up what he says and challenges a lot of the broscience.
You can, but there is not as much consensus that he is one of the “good guys”. There are a lot of people who think he is a self-promoting huckster.
I have seen a number of his videos and my general feeling is that, even if he is blowing smoke sometimes, nothing he recommends is harmful or bad for you. And a lot of it may be really good (I don’t claim to be a PT expert). I have found his ideas on shoulder biomechanics helpful for some of my clients.
But since some things he recommends go outside of the accepted bro-canons, I think he receives more criticism from that camp.2 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »can we add Jeff Cavaliere (athlean x) - not a researcher, but he backs up what he says and challenges a lot of the broscience.
You can, but there is not as much consensus that he is one of the “good guys”. There are a lot of people who think he is a self-promoting huckster.
I have seen a number of his videos and my general feeling is that, even if he is blowing smoke sometimes, nothing he recommends is harmful or bad for you. And a lot of it may be really good (I don’t claim to be a PT expert). I have found his ideas on shoulder biomechanics helpful for some of my clients.
But since some things he recommends go outside of the accepted bro-canons, I think he receives more criticism from that camp.
I think he's one of the good guys. He comes across as a Bro, and he contradicts Bro canon and that sets some people on edge. He definitely has the volume up to 11. which helps get the message out to certain people that wouldn't otherwise listen. But that's just Schtick IMO2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »can we add Jeff Cavaliere (athlean x) - not a researcher, but he backs up what he says and challenges a lot of the broscience.
You can, but there is not as much consensus that he is one of the “good guys”. There are a lot of people who think he is a self-promoting huckster.
I have seen a number of his videos and my general feeling is that, even if he is blowing smoke sometimes, nothing he recommends is harmful or bad for you. And a lot of it may be really good (I don’t claim to be a PT expert). I have found his ideas on shoulder biomechanics helpful for some of my clients.
But since some things he recommends go outside of the accepted bro-canons, I think he receives more criticism from that camp.
I think he's one of the good guys. He comes across as a Bro, and he contradicts Bro canon and that sets some people on edge. He definitely has the volume up to 11. which helps get the message out to certain people that wouldn't otherwise listen. But that's just Schtick IMO
I agree—I look past his presentation and focus on what he actually says. He’s definitely got the credentials.
I’m sure he looks in the mirror every day and says: “Who says you can’t be smart AND beautiful?”
But I saw him mentioned on a reddit forum last week and I was surprised at the intensity of some of the negative reactions.1 -
no lie- 50$ for a downloadable book is egregious considering a hard copy is 60$.
GTFO3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »can we add Jeff Cavaliere (athlean x) - not a researcher, but he backs up what he says and challenges a lot of the broscience.
You can, but there is not as much consensus that he is one of the “good guys”. There are a lot of people who think he is a self-promoting huckster.
I have seen a number of his videos and my general feeling is that, even if he is blowing smoke sometimes, nothing he recommends is harmful or bad for you. And a lot of it may be really good (I don’t claim to be a PT expert). I have found his ideas on shoulder biomechanics helpful for some of my clients.
But since some things he recommends go outside of the accepted bro-canons, I think he receives more criticism from that camp.
I think he's one of the good guys. He comes across as a Bro, and he contradicts Bro canon and that sets some people on edge. He definitely has the volume up to 11. which helps get the message out to certain people that wouldn't otherwise listen. But that's just Schtick IMO
I agree—I look past his presentation and focus on what he actually says. He’s definitely got the credentials.
I’m sure he looks in the mirror every day and says: “Who says you can’t be smart AND beautiful?”
But I saw him mentioned on a reddit forum last week and I was surprised at the intensity of some of the negative reactions.
Reddit is a cesspool lol. The amount of respect he tends to have from other YouTube fitness channels, which is like a junior high for pettiness, indicates that he has a lot of credibility among the community. You don't even see the roaster/trollers bothering with him. Now the six pack crew...0 -
I think we generally expect to pay a lot less for the ebook because there are no printing and other costs related to physical handling etc. Of course, the hard copy here is likely a printer version with hand binding and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a spiral binding. I doubt they expect to sell a lot of those since he is doing this online.0
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