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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
So that's what you got from my post? You've just demonstrated what I was referring too.
Have to agree with what Wheel said on both counts. In no way did he say that everything had to be 100% true. Just when things get published (especially on a trusted site) without any actual basis IN truth - their reader base will still take it as 100% true without looking up on it with a discerning eye and understanding that the blog is not really moderated well and anything from actual science to snake oil can be put on there.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?4 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?
As Anvil said right off the bat - "I won’t comment on 900 minutes of exercise per week without more context to frame it."
It is rare that a majority of people will look at an actual study. That's how the China Study got away with cherry-picking things from other studies, as well as "stating facts" that turned out not to actually be facts or/and could not be supported by the data the author provided.
In this specific case - the blog's linked study (the first study only because the 2nd linked study doesn't work) states those who participated did more than 3x the recommended PA guidelines (which is 150 minutes so they were doing 450+ minutes of exercise a week).
The study doesn't go into just how strenuous the activity/activities these individuals were doing. They also don't mention diet (which I think plays just as important a factor) nor do they mention if any or all of the individuals tested had genetic factors/predisposition that increased the chances of coronary artery risk to begin with.
The article purposefully ignores mentioning that the study results that showed an increase of risk lay with mostly white participants and that there was not any indication that black participants showed increase risk. And not sure about the "27%" number the article gave...I'm probably having a brain fart as to how they got that.
The article mentions stress - but I think it's a bit far reaching to blame stress levels solely on exercise. The quote in there says that it would take decades of continued stress to develop - but how can they be sure of just how much of that was due to exercise? There are too many factors and I found it a bit iffy that the author of the MFP article tried to slip that in as back up for their headline.
And so on....
ETA: Before someone comes back with "it's the reader's responsibility..." - to a point I agree. But on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.9 -
PikaJoyJoy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?
As Anvil said right off the bat - "I won’t comment on 900 minutes of exercise per week without more context to frame it."
It is rare that a majority of people will look at an actual study. That's how the China Study got away with cherry-picking things from other studies, as well as "stating facts" that turned out not to actually be facts or/and could not be supported by the data the author provided.
In this specific case - the blog's linked study (the first study only because the 2nd linked study doesn't work) states those who participated did more than 3x the recommended PA guidelines (which is 150 minutes so they were doing 450+ minutes of exercise a week).
The study doesn't go into just how strenuous the activity/activities these individuals were doing. They also don't mention diet (which I think plays just as important a factor) nor do they mention if any or all of the individuals tested had genetic factors/predisposition that increased the chances of coronary artery risk to begin with.
The article purposefully ignores mentioning that the study results that showed an increase of risk lay with mostly white participants and that there was not any indication that black participants showed increase risk. And not sure about the "27%" number the article gave...I'm probably having a brain fart as to how they got that.
The article mentions stress - but I think it's a bit far reaching to blame stress levels solely on exercise. The quote in there says that it would take decades of continued stress to develop - but how can they be sure of just how much of that was due to exercise? There are too many factors and I found it a bit iffy that the author of the MFP article tried to slip that in as back up for their headline.
And so on....
ETA: Before someone comes back with "it's the reader's responsibility..." - to a point I agree. But on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.
Your beef seems to be a lot of your own interpretation along with thinking it not a comprehensive analysis of the study. I'd agree with the last, but since they linked the study anyone that wanted to see it can. The rest seems to be you projecting (purposely ignores, don't mention .... which I think, mention's stress ... I think ...)
But is anything in the article untrue?6 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?
As Anvil said right off the bat - "I won’t comment on 900 minutes of exercise per week without more context to frame it."
It is rare that a majority of people will look at an actual study. That's how the China Study got away with cherry-picking things from other studies, as well as "stating facts" that turned out not to actually be facts or/and could not be supported by the data the author provided.
In this specific case - the blog's linked study (the first study only because the 2nd linked study doesn't work) states those who participated did more than 3x the recommended PA guidelines (which is 150 minutes so they were doing 450+ minutes of exercise a week).
The study doesn't go into just how strenuous the activity/activities these individuals were doing. They also don't mention diet (which I think plays just as important a factor) nor do they mention if any or all of the individuals tested had genetic factors/predisposition that increased the chances of coronary artery risk to begin with.
The article purposefully ignores mentioning that the study results that showed an increase of risk lay with mostly white participants and that there was not any indication that black participants showed increase risk. And not sure about the "27%" number the article gave...I'm probably having a brain fart as to how they got that.
The article mentions stress - but I think it's a bit far reaching to blame stress levels solely on exercise. The quote in there says that it would take decades of continued stress to develop - but how can they be sure of just how much of that was due to exercise? There are too many factors and I found it a bit iffy that the author of the MFP article tried to slip that in as back up for their headline.
And so on....
ETA: Before someone comes back with "it's the reader's responsibility..." - to a point I agree. But on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.
Your beef seems to be a lot of your own interpretation along with thinking it not a comprehensive analysis of the study. I'd agree with the last, but since they linked the study anyone that wanted to see it can. The rest seems to be you projecting (purposely ignores, don't mention .... which I think, mention's stress ... I think ...)
But is anything in the article untrue?
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?
As Anvil said right off the bat - "I won’t comment on 900 minutes of exercise per week without more context to frame it."
It is rare that a majority of people will look at an actual study. That's how the China Study got away with cherry-picking things from other studies, as well as "stating facts" that turned out not to actually be facts or/and could not be supported by the data the author provided.
In this specific case - the blog's linked study (the first study only because the 2nd linked study doesn't work) states those who participated did more than 3x the recommended PA guidelines (which is 150 minutes so they were doing 450+ minutes of exercise a week).
The study doesn't go into just how strenuous the activity/activities these individuals were doing. They also don't mention diet (which I think plays just as important a factor) nor do they mention if any or all of the individuals tested had genetic factors/predisposition that increased the chances of coronary artery risk to begin with.
The article purposefully ignores mentioning that the study results that showed an increase of risk lay with mostly white participants and that there was not any indication that black participants showed increase risk. And not sure about the "27%" number the article gave...I'm probably having a brain fart as to how they got that.
The article mentions stress - but I think it's a bit far reaching to blame stress levels solely on exercise. The quote in there says that it would take decades of continued stress to develop - but how can they be sure of just how much of that was due to exercise? There are too many factors and I found it a bit iffy that the author of the MFP article tried to slip that in as back up for their headline.
And so on....
ETA: Before someone comes back with "it's the reader's responsibility..." - to a point I agree. But on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.
Your beef seems to be a lot of your own interpretation along with thinking it not a comprehensive analysis of the study. I'd agree with the last, but since they linked the study anyone that wanted to see it can. The rest seems to be you projecting (purposely ignores, don't mention .... which I think, mention's stress ... I think ...)
But is anything in the article untrue?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »PikaJoyJoy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I don't see anything wrong with the blog. It's posed as a question and clearly states that all data is preliminary and interpretations are just theories. What is wrong with sharing data when it's presented exactly for what it is.
It's deceptive, people tend to read the headlines, forget that it's a question and don't understand the difference between weak evidence and strong support. They think anything published is somehow "proof". This is a deliberate attempt to mislead people, and not only that, it makes people distrustful of real scientific evidence because they didn't realize that what they were getting fed was either very specific or contradicted by most evidence.
Whoa! So no one should publish anything that is 100% true unless they do so at a kindergarten level because people tend to have poor reading skills? Sorry, I am not on board with that and never will be.
That's exactly the point. The garbage they're publishing isn't "100% true", or even close to it. Most of it is the kind of ridiculous weight loss woo you see in magazines on the newsstands.
I'm referring only to the link in the OP as that's the only blog I've read. What in that article isn't true or is misleading?
As Anvil said right off the bat - "I won’t comment on 900 minutes of exercise per week without more context to frame it."
It is rare that a majority of people will look at an actual study. That's how the China Study got away with cherry-picking things from other studies, as well as "stating facts" that turned out not to actually be facts or/and could not be supported by the data the author provided.
In this specific case - the blog's linked study (the first study only because the 2nd linked study doesn't work) states those who participated did more than 3x the recommended PA guidelines (which is 150 minutes so they were doing 450+ minutes of exercise a week).
The study doesn't go into just how strenuous the activity/activities these individuals were doing. They also don't mention diet (which I think plays just as important a factor) nor do they mention if any or all of the individuals tested had genetic factors/predisposition that increased the chances of coronary artery risk to begin with.
The article purposefully ignores mentioning that the study results that showed an increase of risk lay with mostly white participants and that there was not any indication that black participants showed increase risk. And not sure about the "27%" number the article gave...I'm probably having a brain fart as to how they got that.
The article mentions stress - but I think it's a bit far reaching to blame stress levels solely on exercise. The quote in there says that it would take decades of continued stress to develop - but how can they be sure of just how much of that was due to exercise? There are too many factors and I found it a bit iffy that the author of the MFP article tried to slip that in as back up for their headline.
And so on....
ETA: Before someone comes back with "it's the reader's responsibility..." - to a point I agree. But on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.
Your beef seems to be a lot of your own interpretation along with thinking it not a comprehensive analysis of the study. I'd agree with the last, but since they linked the study anyone that wanted to see it can. The rest seems to be you projecting (purposely ignores, don't mention .... which I think, mention's stress ... I think ...)
But is anything in the article untrue?
Something can be technically true, but still irresponsibly misleading. That is I think in large part what is wrong with the diet and fitness industry, and honestly with science reporting in general. They find a tiny little factoid in a study, and construct a click-bait article round it, that while technically not being "untrue" does a great disservice to the reader.9 -
I had not previously read about Jim Fixx's family background nor his personal medical history. I just now read a brief Wikipedia article which supports your view that he probably did prolong his life through running and other lifestyle changes; along with the genetic predisposition he had. Based on the autopsy results my thoughts on the cause of his death were incorrect.Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
Yes, thickening of the heart walls causes issues of signals passing between chambers, but it's rare for natural athletes to experience this, but steroid users have been known to have such issues, recently pro bodybuilder Dallas Mccarver died at the age of 26 of a massive heart attack and his heart was almost 3x the weight it should have been. He was over 300lbs on stage and this alone was really not healthy.
If you read up on Jim Fixx's family background you'll see that he probably prolonged his life through running as well.
As for the ultra guys, I'm not sure I've seen any evidence of them having heart issues, do you have any information on increased risk or mortality? I'm curious because I've also wondered if that's even a healthy thing to think about let alone do!
As for the articles I read last year, the indication was of evidence of heart problems developing but I don't recall that there were any specific deaths noted. One of the articles was from a university in England. I didn't get to finish reading the article. At the time I was following a cyclist named Mark Beaumont who circumnavigated the planet in 78 days and 14 hours if I recall his time correctly. I was trying to read up on how these people could train themselves for these types of efforts when I came across articles about the effects of this kind of ultra endurance activities.
Thanks for the heads up on Jim Fixx. I learned something I did not know.
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I had not previously read about Jim Fixx's family background nor his personal medical history. I just now read a brief Wikipedia article which supports your view that he probably did prolong his life through running and other lifestyle changes; along with the genetic predisposition he had. Based on the autopsy results my thoughts on the cause of his death were incorrect.Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
Yes, thickening of the heart walls causes issues of signals passing between chambers, but it's rare for natural athletes to experience this, but steroid users have been known to have such issues, recently pro bodybuilder Dallas Mccarver died at the age of 26 of a massive heart attack and his heart was almost 3x the weight it should have been. He was over 300lbs on stage and this alone was really not healthy.
If you read up on Jim Fixx's family background you'll see that he probably prolonged his life through running as well.
As for the ultra guys, I'm not sure I've seen any evidence of them having heart issues, do you have any information on increased risk or mortality? I'm curious because I've also wondered if that's even a healthy thing to think about let alone do!
As for the articles I read last year, the indication was of evidence of heart problems developing but I don't recall that there were any specific deaths noted. One of the articles was from a university in England. I didn't get to finish reading the article. At the time I was following a cyclist named Mark Beaumont who circumnavigated the planet in 78 days and 14 hours if I recall his time correctly. I was trying to read up on how these people could train themselves for these types of efforts when I came across articles about the effects of this kind of ultra endurance activities.
Thanks for the heads up on Jim Fixx. I learned something I did not know.
No problem, I'm glad you did a bit of follow up research. I understand the myths around Fixx's death would be natural because he was a prominent running advocate, at a time when people didn't run for fun, and died while running. That's going to raise a lot of eyebrows!
If you are interested in some interesting endurance events you might want to look up a Canadian named Rick Hansen and his Man in Motion Tour. He suffered from a spinal injury that left him paralized then he travelled around the world in his wheelchair to raise money for spinal cord research. It's a true testiment to the spirit of humanity.
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PikaJoyJoy wrote: »on the other hand there is that little thing called "writer's responsibility" that I think too many writers/journalists have forgotten more and more as they push their agendas.
not to mention . . . just litter. clutter. garbage. not even counting whether it's pernicious or not, it's JUNK. the amount of content lying around that just doesn't contain enough meaningfulness to justify the space it takes up . . . we need a new phrase for the digital age. something like "info-pollution".
and finally, good ol' good journalism. passing on sloppy hearsay just for the sake of flapping one's gums isn't journalism. it's blether.
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@canadianlbs -Infopollution is my new favorite word!!!!2
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@canadianlbs -Infopollution is my new favorite word!!!!
We need to make this happen.4 -
PikaJoyJoy wrote: »@canadianlbs -Infopollution is my new favorite word!!!!
We need to make this happen.
along with email-assault.
Enough with the emails every time you have a thought. Please and thank you.5 -
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What the associated research in the referenced articles says is that people who do three times the recommended amount of exercise a day over a 25 year period have a statistically significant higher risk of cardio disease in middle age. To be blunt, more than 450 minutes of exercise a week, is an effing lot of exercise. Since the article is probably tl;dr material for a lot of people, here's some salient points:“The science is still early but we’re starting to see concerns about cardiovascular abnormalities in endurance athletes,” notes Dr. Vincent Bufalino, a cardiologist and national spokesperson for the American Heart Association. … Dr. Bufalino suspects it might be an overuse injury similar to runners who suffer from knee pain and injuries after years of pounding the pavement. “The heart has to work excessively to keep up with that level of exercise,” he explains. “The heart muscle thickens to deal with the demand of the increased output.” … “There is no direct cause and effect. You don’t run a race and develop heart issues,” says Dr. Bufalino. “It takes years, probably decades, to develop.”… he suggests staying within the recommended federal guidelines of 150 minutes of moderate-intensity physical activity every week and getting regular heart health screenings.
In other words, use moderation in exercise just as you do in eating. Why is that a shocking and offensive concept? Seriously, people on this forum will find any excuse to get their undies in a bunch.7 -
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MFP is trying to provide interesting articles to members by buying from freelancers like her without having to hire writers and an editorial staff. This is neither an unethical nor an uncommon practice - UnderArmour isn't in the business of writing health and medical articles. Many medical professionals buy articles like this for their websites and newsletters.
What the associated research in the referenced articles says is that people who do three times the recommended amount of exercise a day over a 25 year period have a statistically significant higher risk of cardio disease in middle age. To be blunt, more than 450 minutes of exercise a week, is an effing lot of exercise. Since the article is probably tl;dr material for a lot of people, here's some salient points:“The science is still early but we’re starting to see concerns about cardiovascular abnormalities in endurance athletes,” notes Dr. Vincent Bufalino, a cardiologist and national spokesperson for the American Heart Association. … Dr. Bufalino suspects it might be an overuse injury similar to runners who suffer from knee pain and injuries after years of pounding the pavement. “The heart has to work excessively to keep up with that level of exercise,” he explains. “The heart muscle thickens to deal with the demand of the increased output.” … “There is no direct cause and effect. You don’t run a race and develop heart issues,” says Dr. Bufalino. “It takes years, probably decades, to develop.”… he suggests staying within the recommended federal guidelines of 150 minutes of moderate-intensity physical activity every week and getting regular heart health screenings.
In other words, use moderation in exercise just as you do in eating. Why is that a shocking and offensive concept? Seriously, people on this forum will find any excuse to get their undies in a bunch.
It's not a shocking and offensive concept. The point was that the article had no context as to what consisted of overexercise nor did it provide sufficient data to point the finger that being active/exercising for more than an hour a day was the sole cause of the increases found.
The forums are littered with questions about "If I workout 6 days a week, will walking my dog for an hour be too much?" "How much is too much exercise?" "I heard exercising for more than hour a day is bad. Should I stop?"
Without context in an article posted on a website about fitness and health whose community has a large number of people who are still unsure and clueless - they will over worry of these things and either make it an excuse not to do something or start broadcasting it as fear mongering, not realizing that they probably don't fall into this category.
Especially as there are people who lead or want to lead active lifestyles that would have them exercising or doing something that could be considered exercise for more than 7-8 hours a week.5 -
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MFP is trying to provide interesting articles to members by buying from freelancers like her without having to hire writers and an editorial staff. This is neither an unethical nor an uncommon practice - UnderArmour isn't in the business of writing health and medical articles. Many medical professionals buy articles like this for their websites and newsletters.
What the associated research in the referenced articles says is that people who do three times the recommended amount of exercise a day over a 25 year period have a statistically significant higher risk of cardio disease in middle age. To be blunt, more than 450 minutes of exercise a week, is an effing lot of exercise. Since the article is probably tl;dr material for a lot of people, here's some salient points:“The science is still early but we’re starting to see concerns about cardiovascular abnormalities in endurance athletes,” notes Dr. Vincent Bufalino, a cardiologist and national spokesperson for the American Heart Association. … Dr. Bufalino suspects it might be an overuse injury similar to runners who suffer from knee pain and injuries after years of pounding the pavement. “The heart has to work excessively to keep up with that level of exercise,” he explains. “The heart muscle thickens to deal with the demand of the increased output.” … “There is no direct cause and effect. You don’t run a race and develop heart issues,” says Dr. Bufalino. “It takes years, probably decades, to develop.”… he suggests staying within the recommended federal guidelines of 150 minutes of moderate-intensity physical activity every week and getting regular heart health screenings.
In other words, use moderation in exercise just as you do in eating. Why is that a shocking and offensive concept? Seriously, people on this forum will find any excuse to get their undies in a bunch.
Although I certainly appreciate the well measured and thoughtfully written post, you did, in fact, miss the point of our concerns. It was to do with hysterics in headlining and general helpfulness of the post and not a debate on the writer herself or if the research was problematic.
I have no issue with anything you addressed but they were straw men.3 -
As such, they'll misconstrue whatever nebulous "study" they can find to support histrionic titles to keep people clicking.
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@vingogly Let us not forget people who inadvertently "exercise" on work time. You could exceed 450 minutes in a blink having a labor or other physical career. Not necessarily unhealthy. 450 minutes a week is not necessarily an "effing lot", depending on what you do and how acclimated you are to the activity.3
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@vingogly Let us not forget people who inadvertently "exercise" on work time. You could exceed 450 minutes in a blink having a labor or other physical career. Not necessarily unhealthy. 450 minutes a week is not necessarily an "effing lot", depending on what you do and how acclimated you are to the activity.
And therein lies the lack of context. They're comparing middle-distance and Ironman triathlete competitors to couch potatoes. As if there's no middle ground of intensity between the two.
Most people aspiring to higher fitness levels (I'd even say the vast majority) will never, ever hit the levels of intensity and frequency in their training that Ironman competitors do. There's a big difference between 450 minutes/week of Zumba, walking, light cardio and a few strength training sessions vs. 450 minutes/week of Ironman training.
It's pure clickbait and headline hysteria, and the results of the "study" are irrelevant to about 99.9% of the population. Yet many people who aren't critical thinkers and get their 'information' from reading headlines will miss that point entirely and just take away "exercise is bad for you".10
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