Sodium Intake locked at 2300mg/day?
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Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
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Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.1 -
Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.
If they are sedentary, they would not. But of all things, sodium is one of the least things i would be concerned with, unless i had a medical condition. Id put more more focus on calories, macros and getting the majority of my calories from whole foods.
In cases where people are following low carb, they need high sodium. As you reduce carbs, your reduce glycogen and water storage which leads to electrolyte loss. This is why keto flu and cramping can occur.2 -
Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.
If they are sedentary, they would not. But of all things, sodium is one of the least things i would be concerned with, unless i had a medical condition. Id put more more focus on calories, macros and getting the majority of my calories from whole foods.
In cases where people are following low carb, they need high sodium. As you reduce carbs, your reduce glycogen and water storage which leads to electrolyte loss. This is why keto flu and cramping can occur.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The negative risk associated with high levels of sodium has been researched and proven. If someone wants to ignore those risks, that's their decision. I only hope that for their sake they do not have high blood pressure and are not aware of the fact.
I have blood work every three months due to a medical condition, including metabolic profile. I try to keep my sodium intake down to 2,000-2,300, and I have been working out pretty hard the last 100 days, and the blood work has not shown any sodium deficiency.
Do I agree that *some* people may have such intense daily physical activity that they need more sodium? Sure. But for the average person spending an hour or so a day working out...No.0 -
Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.
If they are sedentary, they would not. But of all things, sodium is one of the least things i would be concerned with, unless i had a medical condition. Id put more more focus on calories, macros and getting the majority of my calories from whole foods.
In cases where people are following low carb, they need high sodium. As you reduce carbs, your reduce glycogen and water storage which leads to electrolyte loss. This is why keto flu and cramping can occur.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The negative risk associated with high levels of sodium has been researched and proven. If someone wants to ignore those risks, that's their decision. I only hope that for their sake they do not have high blood pressure and are not aware of the fact.
I have blood work every three months due to a medical condition, including metabolic profile. I try to keep my sodium intake down to 2,000-2,300, and I have been working out pretty hard the last 100 days, and the blood work has not shown any sodium deficiency.
Do I agree that *some* people may have such intense daily physical activity that they need more sodium? Sure. But for the average person spending an hour or so a day working out...No.
While you may think the relationship is cut and dry, its not. Just like with all things science, things tend to get higher fidelity. Salt is no different as noted in a recently published study.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317099.php
My wife has a medical condition that requires her to eat 6-10g of sodium a day. If she doesn't she can go into tachycardia arrest.
So while you can disagree, you have to consider the variables and what risk is present. Everything has a risk, just like driving a car, but that doesn't mean it has to be a particular focus. Is there an associated risk with high sodium, maybe, but there are much greater risk with obesity, inactivity and genetics.
Its great you have been doing well for 100 days, but i have seen great results (50 lbs down) and maintained for 6 years. My annual blood work is always great.3 -
Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.
If they are sedentary, they would not. But of all things, sodium is one of the least things i would be concerned with, unless i had a medical condition. Id put more more focus on calories, macros and getting the majority of my calories from whole foods.
In cases where people are following low carb, they need high sodium. As you reduce carbs, your reduce glycogen and water storage which leads to electrolyte loss. This is why keto flu and cramping can occur.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The negative risk associated with high levels of sodium has been researched and proven. If someone wants to ignore those risks, that's their decision. I only hope that for their sake they do not have high blood pressure and are not aware of the fact.
I have blood work every three months due to a medical condition, including metabolic profile. I try to keep my sodium intake down to 2,000-2,300, and I have been working out pretty hard the last 100 days, and the blood work has not shown any sodium deficiency.
Do I agree that *some* people may have such intense daily physical activity that they need more sodium? Sure. But for the average person spending an hour or so a day working out...No.
While you may think the relationship is cut and dry, its not. Just like with all things science, things tend to get higher fidelity. Salt is no different as noted in a recently published study.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317099.php
My wife has a medical condition that requires her to eat 6-10g of sodium a day. If she doesn't she can go into tachycardia arrest.
So while you can disagree, you have to consider the variables and what risk is present. Everything has a risk, just like driving a car, but that doesn't mean it has to be a particular focus. Is there an associated risk with high sodium, maybe, but there are much greater risk with obesity, inactivity and genetics.
Its great you have been doing well for 100 days, but i have seen great results (50 lbs down) and maintained for 6 years. My annual blood work is always great.
I am glad for you, but to suggest on here that people need to consume 5,000 mg of sodium a day to lose weight is irresponsible. Plenty of people lose weight on low sodium diets, myself included. You do not need to consume excess sodium to lose weight...period.0 -
Well, it would appear that the medical professionals are saying that.
If you are at risk for hypertension, or have a family history of heart disease or stroke, you should be very careful how much sodium you are consuming.
The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out. The bigger issue is one needs to also eat foods high in potassium and magnesium since they balance your electrolytes.
I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard, hypertension doesn't run in my family and my blood pressure is 110/70.
Like with all things is about context. It's not beneficial to suggest a blanket amouny without considering all the factors.
Fair enough.
Its also fair to say that *most* people do not need need 4,000 to 5,000 mg per day.
If they are sedentary, they would not. But of all things, sodium is one of the least things i would be concerned with, unless i had a medical condition. Id put more more focus on calories, macros and getting the majority of my calories from whole foods.
In cases where people are following low carb, they need high sodium. As you reduce carbs, your reduce glycogen and water storage which leads to electrolyte loss. This is why keto flu and cramping can occur.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The negative risk associated with high levels of sodium has been researched and proven. If someone wants to ignore those risks, that's their decision. I only hope that for their sake they do not have high blood pressure and are not aware of the fact.
I have blood work every three months due to a medical condition, including metabolic profile. I try to keep my sodium intake down to 2,000-2,300, and I have been working out pretty hard the last 100 days, and the blood work has not shown any sodium deficiency.
Do I agree that *some* people may have such intense daily physical activity that they need more sodium? Sure. But for the average person spending an hour or so a day working out...No.
While you may think the relationship is cut and dry, its not. Just like with all things science, things tend to get higher fidelity. Salt is no different as noted in a recently published study.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317099.php
My wife has a medical condition that requires her to eat 6-10g of sodium a day. If she doesn't she can go into tachycardia arrest.
So while you can disagree, you have to consider the variables and what risk is present. Everything has a risk, just like driving a car, but that doesn't mean it has to be a particular focus. Is there an associated risk with high sodium, maybe, but there are much greater risk with obesity, inactivity and genetics.
Its great you have been doing well for 100 days, but i have seen great results (50 lbs down) and maintained for 6 years. My annual blood work is always great.
I am glad for you, but to suggest on here that people need to consume 5,000 mg of sodium a day to lose weight is irresponsible. Plenty of people lose weight on low sodium diets, myself included. You do not need to consume excess sodium to lose weight...period.
You should reread what i wrote. I never said one should follow a 5000 mg ... I said one should consider the variables and make a decision based on what is best for them. Your advice would kill my wife and hinder my performance. Again, there is no one universal answer. And considering the OP is in a reasonable range, they dont have anything to stress.3 -
Yes, and your advice would put a great many people at risk for heart disease and stroke.
Never once did I tell someone at any point in this thread how much sodium they should consume. I posted guidelines from several sources, and at one point, told the OP he should discuss with his physician if he is concerned about low sodium.4 -
Yes, and your advice would put a great many people at risk for heart disease and stroke.
Never once did I tell someone at any point in this thread how much sodium they should consume. I posted guidelines from several sources, and at one point, told the OP he should discuss with his physician if he is concerned about low sodium.
How does telling someone to consider the variables bad advice or even irresponsible? It doesn't put anyone at risk? It literally means evaluate your current health, your diet and your exercise routine to make a decision.7 -
@CharlieBeansmomTracey Oh my gosh!! I just realized I mistyped!!
So very sorry, my comment was not directed at you at all!
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"The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out."
"I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard"
"Is there an associated risk with high sodium, maybe"
Clearly you are just going to ignore the scientific evidence and recommendations of the medical professionals, so I don't see the point in debating further.
I am glad you are in good health, and I hope it continues.
Have a good night.
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Marilyn0924 wrote: »@CharlieBeansmomTracey Oh my gosh!! I just realized I mistyped!!
So very sorry, my comment was not directed at you at all!
its ok I took it the wrong way lol0 -
"The recommendation is based on getting people to focus more on whole foods and limit processed foods. It does not apply to those following specialized diets, have active jobs or work out."
"I aim for 4000 to 5000 mgs a day because i work out hard"
"Is there an associated risk with high sodium, maybe"
Clearly you are just going to ignore the scientific evidence and recommendations of the medical professionals, so I don't see the point in debating further.
I am glad you are in good health, and I hope it continues.
Have a good night.
Clearly, if there was a concern my doctor would have mentioned it. They are very aware of how i eat. Obviously, you throw all your eggs in one basket.
I can only hope you also follow the recommendations on protein, resistance training, cardio and fiber as well, otherwise you might be adding some risk..3 -
collectingblues wrote: »
Did you bother to read the article that you quoted? It sets that 1500 level for people who are 51 and older, African Americans, diabetics, people with hypertension, and people with kidney disease. AKA: Groups who are more prone to hypertension or kidney issues.
It is *not* a general limit for most of the population.
Actually, health professionals are pushing for the limit to be lowered to 1500 mg as the new standard.
Not all. This is a pretty decent summary of some of the debates: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/06/scientists-are-divided-about-the-dangers-of-salt-but-some-in-washington-want-to-keep-the-health-warnings/?utm_term=.9f4d0e68921b
I've not really read anything that convinces me that 1500 mg is necessary for people with no blood pressure problems, and I'm actually super skeptical in that most don't measure their sodium well and the average American eats WAY higher. So why 1500 mg or 2300 mg? Supposedly most sodium is from stuff like canned and highly processed foods, so since I don't eat much of that (and the canned stuff I eat is low sodium), I cook normally (which includes adding pinches of salt here and there -- and that adds up, 1500 mg is tiny) and don't log.
I wouldn't bother trying to get extra when I work out (absent doing intense exercise or an endurance event in the heat), but I don't see a reason to worry about it.
As for 2300 mg or the idea we should all carefully monitor it, I've looked for an explanation of why, and although some claim it's back by robust evidence, the only explanations I've seen are (1) for a lot of people sodium affects blood pressure, cutting back helps, and it can be hard to cut back so better to start now, and (2) Americans in general eat way over 2300 mg and many have high blood pressure, so a limit that convinces them to at least lower it some is good. Also, for people in the risk categories (salt sensitive people with high blood pressure) eating very little (the 1500 mg) helps. (That assumes they are counting correctly, and I am skeptical at how well self-monitoring people count sodium, I suspect they usually undercount.)
Anyway, the reasons explained above are not very convincing to me as why people with no blood pressure problems and who don't eat the foods that are supposedly the biggest issue in the US diet should monitor or cut out salt and can't just use it normally in cooking or whatever. (I don't add salt to cooked food, just use it in cooking, but if you look at how little 2300 mg is, or 1500 mg, it's pretty tiny, and measuring salt or cutting it out to meet the limit -- or worrying about eating olives or pickles or cottage cheese -- seems pointless to me when my blood pressure has always been good.)
If someone has blood pressure issues, yeah, reduce sodium. If you eat a ton of it, reducing it some is likely sensible, and you can certainly change your palate to need less. But for most people, especially people who are otherwise concerned with healthful eating and fitness and, say, eat mostly home-cooked food and who work out and get plenty of potassium in their diet, I doubt worrying about a specific number is worthwhile.4
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