Hangry monster
mrszig81
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Been keto for about a month and started lifting . The stronger I get the hungrier I am. I get my muscles are growing and need more fuel but I also have lots of fat to lose and need to make my body utilize it. What do u do when your hangry monster has used up all its macros without going insane ?
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you also need to feed your body - think of it like fuel - you have to fuel your car to drive anywhere, your body is the same way...
chec your rate of loss - it could be too agressive for what you are trying to accomplish
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Have you readjusted you macros to your new weight (if it has changed)? Check how many calories you burned through out your workout. Also the muscle that you gain will help you burn more fat. So it would give a bit of leeway for more calories to consume. Don't end up like me - I didn't adjust my calories to my new weight and lost some muscle. -.-1
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So I do a keto calculator . I have lost 12 lbs in two months , so I wouldn’t say my weight loss is at an unhealthy rate . I’m five 6 and am 200.2 lbs. literally .2 lbs from my first goal lol. But my ultimate goal is a solid and healthy 165-170. I currently eat 25 g net carbs , try to stick to 100 G protein and 100 g of fat roughly 1500 calories. I burn about 600 calories a workout 3-4 days a week .0
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If your diet is too severe you will not be able to sustain it.
Sounds like that is where you are.
Find the happy place calorie wise where you will feel ok and be able to keep going.
12lbs in two months is a little high. A loss of 1lb. per week is recommended.2 -
12 lbs in 2 months is too aggressive if you're starving all the time. Just saying.2
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I agree, 12 lbs in 2 months sounds like a lot. I aim for .5 pounds a week and I'm struggling with being hungry all the time so I can't imagine trying to be active with an even larger calorie deficit!3
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My wife hated me on my last diet due to me being so hangry and mean. I think it may have also affected my career negatively. Things like green tea and prescribed appetite suppressors helped with appetite, but stress is stress. Although I was happy with the results, I never could deal with the stress that a diet puts on your body in a positive way. Not only that, my normal go to stress reliever is to eat something yummy to make my happy and this is what made me overweight to begin with. So, I too am looking for a better way to deal with this and am open to suggestions.1
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12lb over 2months approximately 8 weeks = 1.5 lb a week I don't think that's too fast
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janejellyroll wrote: »
She states she's 200lb or so now so guessing she was 212 ish2 -
Maybe up your fat. If you're following a KETO diet then really your fat should be more than your protein. My macros are 75/20/5.1
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janejellyroll wrote: »
She states she's 200lb or so now so guessing she was 212 ish
If someone has just has 35 pounds to lose and hunger is an issue at 1.5 pounds a week, I'd recommend eating more.0 -
So I took a little bit of all your suggestions. I did redo my macros following keto. I’m still eating moderate protein only bc I lift heavy 3-4 times a week and hiit once a week. So I need to maintain muscle. I personally do not think 1.5 lbs a week is aggressive , especially since the first 5 lbs or so I’m sure was water . I have lost 50 lbs in a course of a year, health is my main goal and strength. I notice the days I workout I’m hungry as a hostage and so those days I will allow more from now bc it’s telling me it needs more . Thanks for all the advice guys !!! I’ll check back in on another month or two
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Been keto for about a month and started lifting . The stronger I get the hungrier I am. I get my muscles are growing and need more fuel but I also have lots of fat to lose and need to make my body utilize it. What do u do when your hangry monster has used up all its macros without going insane ?
Your whole post contradicts itself.
Are you in a deficit or a surplus?
Are you losing weight or gaining muscle?
That's what I loathe about ketoers, "I eat pure fat and protein so magically I can synthesis one for a hypertrophic response whilst also consuming one to decreasing adipose tissue stores."
Plus you've gained less than half a pound of muscle. It takes men. With 300x the testosterone levels that men have to make and considerable muscular gains. So yeah.
If you want to lose fat. EAT IN A DEFICIT. You'll lose weight whether you're following a fad diet or not. If you want to gain muscle and some fat. Eat in a surplus. With increased CARB intake to fuel your growth and workouts.
I drink water. Or I eat acouple apples3 -
So I took a little bit of all your suggestions. I did redo my macros following keto. I’m still eating moderate protein only bc I lift heavy 3-4 times a week and hiit once a week. So I need to maintain muscle. I personally do not think 1.5 lbs a week is aggressive , especially since the first 5 lbs or so I’m sure was water . I have lost 50 lbs in a course of a year, health is my main goal and strength. I notice the days I workout I’m hungry as a hostage and so those days I will allow more from now bc it’s telling me it needs more . Thanks for all the advice guys !!! I’ll check back in on another month or two
1.5 is aggressive if you only have 30 lbs to lose. I don't understand why people focus so much on maintaining muscle through exercise, but forget that if they don't feed their body enough, the body WILL burn lean mass to make up for it.5 -
Been keto for about a month and started lifting . The stronger I get the hungrier I am. I get my muscles are growing and need more fuel but I also have lots of fat to lose and need to make my body utilize it. What do u do when your hangry monster has used up all its macros without going insane ?
Your whole post contradicts itself.
Are you in a deficit or a surplus?
Are you losing weight or gaining muscle?
That's what I loathe about ketoers, "I eat pure fat and protein so magically I can synthesis one for a hypertrophic response whilst also consuming one to decreasing adipose tissue stores."
Plus you've gained less than half a pound of muscle. It takes men. With 300x the testosterone levels that men have to make and considerable muscular gains. So yeah.
If you want to lose fat. EAT IN A DEFICIT. You'll lose weight whether you're following a fad diet or not. If you want to gain muscle and some fat. Eat in a surplus. With increased CARB intake to fuel your growth and workouts.
I drink water. Or I eat acouple apples
Well someone is hangry themselves. And I would also do your research about keto, muscle gains and fat loss. There is plenty of evidence based research that shows you can indeed gain muscle and lose fat at the same time see while I am losing fat and gaining muscle the scale doesn’t change but the things inside my body do. So when I increase my deadlifts by 30 lbs in a month, I would say I’m making gains in muscle and IV lost inches ( that’s the fat cells shrinking ). You are entitled to your woe and I’m entitled to mine. Have you heard of a dexa scan, you should look them up and do some research and physically see how you can have muscle gains and fat loss. Even on a carbohydrate lovers diet someone who is overweight and lifting are still going to lose fat and increase muscle. It’s science, not debatable. 7 -
So I took a little bit of all your suggestions. I did redo my macros following keto. I’m still eating moderate protein only bc I lift heavy 3-4 times a week and hiit once a week. So I need to maintain muscle. I personally do not think 1.5 lbs a week is aggressive , especially since the first 5 lbs or so I’m sure was water . I have lost 50 lbs in a course of a year, health is my main goal and strength. I notice the days I workout I’m hungry as a hostage and so those days I will allow more from now bc it’s telling me it needs more . Thanks for all the advice guys !!! I’ll check back in on another month or two
1.5 is aggressive if you only have 30 lbs to lose. I don't understand why people focus so much on maintaining muscle through exercise, but forget that if they don't feed their body enough, the body WILL burn lean mass to make up for it.
Well aware of what gluconeogenesis is and I have about 40-50 lbs to lose . Depending on my body, how It responds and how I feel will determine where I am comfortable at lb wise . I am not eating. 1200 calorie day diet with a 800 calorie deficit starving my body. I track my macros accordingly ( what this entire app is meant to do) . But if u eat more than u burn it’s will cause fat gain. I ate 1700 plus calories today. I also lifted heavy and got some cardio in and I feel content. I am talking about those days where u just feel like u can’t eat enough, we all have them. I don’t understand why people have to be so negative on people’s post. This is a community of people trying to achieve the same goal, build them up , don’t tear them down. Everyone wants to be healthy happy and content with themselves . Lawwwd 2 -
Been keto for about a month and started lifting . The stronger I get the hungrier I am. I get my muscles are growing and need more fuel but I also have lots of fat to lose and need to make my body utilize it. What do u do when your hangry monster has used up all its macros without going insane ?
Your whole post contradicts itself.
Are you in a deficit or a surplus?
Are you losing weight or gaining muscle?
That's what I loathe about ketoers, "I eat pure fat and protein so magically I can synthesis one for a hypertrophic response whilst also consuming one to decreasing adipose tissue stores."
Plus you've gained less than half a pound of muscle. It takes men. With 300x the testosterone levels that men have to make and considerable muscular gains. So yeah.
If you want to lose fat. EAT IN A DEFICIT. You'll lose weight whether you're following a fad diet or not. If you want to gain muscle and some fat. Eat in a surplus. With increased CARB intake to fuel your growth and workouts.
I drink water. Or I eat acouple apples
Well someone is hangry themselves. And I would also do your research about keto, muscle gains and fat loss. There is plenty of evidence based research that shows you can indeed gain muscle and lose fat at the same time see while I am losing fat and gaining muscle the scale doesn’t change but the things inside my body do. So when I increase my deadlifts by 30 lbs in a month, I would say I’m making gains in muscle and IV lost inches ( that’s the fat cells shrinking ). You are entitled to your woe and I’m entitled to mine. Have you heard of a dexa scan, you should look them up and do some research and physically see how you can have muscle gains and fat loss. Even on a carbohydrate lovers diet someone who is overweight and lifting are still going to lose fat and increase muscle. It’s science, not debatable.
Can you show me this research?
Also at what point are you in your weightloss journey? What are you using to determine you are gaining muscle? The most common way to determine muscle increases are by measurements. But you yourself said you are losing inches. So how do you know you're making actual lean mass gains?
30lbs in a month? Someone is obviously just starting their lifting career. And actually the majority of strength is neuromuscular adaptation. It's your body becoming more efficient at firing your muscle fibres in sync which results in a greater force potential to be exerted. Do a little research next time
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This is a big boy conversation not a hypothetical debate.
Increases in muscle definition do not. I'll repeat. Do not indicate an increase in contractile tissue.
If you have found the elixir to burn fat and induce substantial muscle gains, why have you not marketed this to the world and especially the body building comnunity?
I'm sure they'd all rather follow a simple diet that injecting themselves with high doses of drugs such as clembuteral and trenbolone.
The ball is in your court. Provide this evidence or take your seat please. I'm talking meta analysis and peer reviewed studies that are independently funded.5 -
So I took a little bit of all your suggestions. I did redo my macros following keto. I’m still eating moderate protein only bc I lift heavy 3-4 times a week and hiit once a week. So I need to maintain muscle. I personally do not think 1.5 lbs a week is aggressive , especially since the first 5 lbs or so I’m sure was water . I have lost 50 lbs in a course of a year, health is my main goal and strength. I notice the days I workout I’m hungry as a hostage and so those days I will allow more from now bc it’s telling me it needs more . Thanks for all the advice guys !!! I’ll check back in on another month or two
1.5 is aggressive if you only have 30 lbs to lose. I don't understand why people focus so much on maintaining muscle through exercise, but forget that if they don't feed their body enough, the body WILL burn lean mass to make up for it.
Well aware of what gluconeogenesis is and I have about 40-50 lbs to lose . Depending on my body, how It responds and how I feel will determine where I am comfortable at lb wise . I am not eating. 1200 calorie day diet with a 800 calorie deficit starving my body. I track my macros accordingly ( what this entire app is meant to do) . But if u eat more than u burn it’s will cause fat gain. I ate 1700 plus calories today. I also lifted heavy and got some cardio in and I feel content. I am talking about those days where u just feel like u can’t eat enough, we all have them. I don’t understand why people have to be so negative on people’s post. This is a community of people trying to achieve the same goal, build them up , don’t tear them down. Everyone wants to be healthy happy and content with themselves . Lawwwd
Maybe you should listen to what people say rather than posting your own opinion as fact followed by contradicting people's posts.
Honey. Ya know nothing. That's why you opted for keto and not flexible dieting. That's why you asked others for help. That's why you think making newb gains while overweight is ground breaking evidence. I want to see you continue to add 30lbs a month to your lifts in 3 years4 -
Okay now I get where that "poo" post came from. Jesse you could stand to turn it down a notch...OP asked for input, was receiving some good advice and was offering to take some of that advice and check back in. You came into that conversation with a chip on your shoulder and you came in hard....I'm not sure how you can expect anything but a defensive response from someone who you refer to as "honey".
Now...that said...OP it is possible to do a recomp where you gain muscle (very slowly) and lose fat (also slowly) while maintaining your weight but it's a delicate tightrope act. It is impossible to gain muscle tissue while simultaneously losing 1.5 pounds a week so to be blunt...that isn't happening. One can gain significant strength from neuromuscular adaptation without gaining muscle mass or even while losing muscle mass. At that agressive of a loss chances are you are losing a little lean mass as well.
I applaud your dedication to improving your health, I think it's great you've committed to exercise and haven't shyed away from heavy lifts . I'm not a fan of keto but hey if that is what gets you motivated then you do you.
All that said I do think you'd be better off and more likely to succeed long term if you ate more and adjusted your target loss rate. You wouldn't be "hangry" and you'd be more likely to conserve your lean mass.7 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Okay now I get where that "poo" post came from. Jesse you could stand to turn it down a notch...OP asked for input, was receiving some good advice and was offering to take some of that advice and check back in. You came into that conversation with a chip on your shoulder and you came in hard....I'm not sure how you can expect anything but a defensive response from someone who you refer to as "honey".
Now...that said...OP it is possible to do a recomp where you gain muscle (very slowly) and lose fat (also slowly) while maintaining your weight but it's a delicate tightrope act. It is impossible to gain muscle tissue while simultaneously losing 1.5 pounds a week so to be blunt...that isn't happening. One can gain significant strength from neuromuscular adaptation without gaining muscle mass or even while losing muscle mass. At that agressive of a loss chances are you are losing a little lean mass as well.
I applaud your dedication to improving your health, I think it's great you've committed to exercise and haven't shyed away from heavy lifts . I'm not a fan of keto but hey if that is what gets you motivated then you do you.
All that said I do think you'd be better off and more likely to succeed long term if you ate more and adjusted your target loss rate. You wouldn't be "hangry" and you'd be more likely to conserve your lean mass.
For the record i came in like that due to the OP spreading misinformation. Especially in regards to how our bodies process and store energy. Also not to mention her complete misinformation regarding neuromuscular adaptation and PROCLAIMING that she's doing things that the most genetically gifted hormone flooded men are unable to do.
I will admit I could've gone about it better. If the OP wasn't complaining about how she's always hungry on her restrictive fad diet. Opposed to just flexible eating and being full and happy whilst reaching goals.1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Okay now I get where that "poo" post came from. Jesse you could stand to turn it down a notch...OP asked for input, was receiving some good advice and was offering to take some of that advice and check back in. You came into that conversation with a chip on your shoulder and you came in hard....I'm not sure how you can expect anything but a defensive response from someone who you refer to as "honey".
Now...that said...OP it is possible to do a recomp where you gain muscle (very slowly) and lose fat (also slowly) while maintaining your weight but it's a delicate tightrope act. It is impossible to gain muscle tissue while simultaneously losing 1.5 pounds a week so to be blunt...that isn't happening. One can gain significant strength from neuromuscular adaptation without gaining muscle mass or even while losing muscle mass. At that agressive of a loss chances are you are losing a little lean mass as well.
I applaud your dedication to improving your health, I think it's great you've committed to exercise and haven't shyed away from heavy lifts . I'm not a fan of keto but hey if that is what gets you motivated then you do you.
All that said I do think you'd be better off and more likely to succeed long term if you ate more and adjusted your target loss rate. You wouldn't be "hangry" and you'd be more likely to conserve your lean mass.
For the record i came in like that due to the OP spreading misinformation. Especially in regards to how our bodies process and store energy. Also not to mention her complete misinformation regarding neuromuscular adaptation and PROCLAIMING that she's doing things that the most genetically gifted hormone flooded men are unable to do.
I will admit I could've gone about it better. If the OP wasn't complaining about how she's always hungry on her restrictive fad diet. Opposed to just flexible eating and being full and happy whilst reaching goals.
Not saying her info was good and your info was bad, but if you actually wanted to converse with her in a way that would engage her I think you went about it the wrong way. Trust me, as a regular poster on forums I get that it can get frustrating to see the same misinformation repeated over and over and sometimes that gets carried around with you as baggage and you can end up venting all that pent up baggage on the hundredth person who says it...but just because I understand doesn't mean I condone. I think you know you went too far there and an apology could go a long way to actually helping. You don't need to, I'm just suggesting.0 -
If I had plans on ever conversing and sharing information with OP I would consider a full blown apology. Except discrediting my fact based information for her own anecdotal misinformed experiences was fairly childish in its own.
And truly. We both know her information was incorrect and that mine had actual scientific backing. Not just a doctor Oz marketing stamp of approval.
But OP. I apologize. For correction your extreme misinformation in a non desirable way.1
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