Keto and IF

AnvilHead

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

I tried cico for awhile with not much luck. I don't do keto but I do low carb try to stay under 50 grams a day and I do IF. I've lost 19 pounds in a month and a half. Last week I even did my first 48 hour water fast. I never thought I could do that. I'm a diabetic and have been reading a lot about how this helps Reverse it. Good luck!

just losing weight can reverse diabetes in some. there is no need to water fast. low carb and weight loss can make a big difference for some.I dont know how a water fast is going to reverse diabetes though. do you have any links stating this?

I'm not that technology smart but you can just Google it. Dr. Fung, Dr. Barry, are 2 who suggest fasting for type 2 diabetes. But I was mainly talking about low carb. I'm a carb addict never thought I could do low carb or a water fast. I've just started looking into different studies.

you lost me at fung ,he was discredited many times. and never heard of Dr Barry there are many with that name so not sure which one you mean

I didn't know that. I found Dr. Fung about 2 weeks ago. I'll have to look into him being discredited. Dr. Ken Barry. I've also looked into the new castle diet to reverse diabetes but it's practically starvation so I'm not sure I can commit to that.

You can start right here: https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/

Fung is a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. He's pretty much regarded as the Village Idiot. His theories fly in the face of basic physiology.

CharlieBeansmomTracey

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

I tried cico for awhile with not much luck. I don't do keto but I do low carb try to stay under 50 grams a day and I do IF. I've lost 19 pounds in a month and a half. Last week I even did my first 48 hour water fast. I never thought I could do that. I'm a diabetic and have been reading a lot about how this helps Reverse it. Good luck!

just losing weight can reverse diabetes in some. there is no need to water fast. low carb and weight loss can make a big difference for some.I dont know how a water fast is going to reverse diabetes though. do you have any links stating this?

I'm not that technology smart but you can just Google it. Dr. Fung, Dr. Barry, are 2 who suggest fasting for type 2 diabetes. But I was mainly talking about low carb. I'm a carb addict never thought I could do low carb or a water fast. I've just started looking into different studies.

you lost me at fung ,he was discredited many times. and never heard of Dr Barry there are many with that name so not sure which one you mean

I didn't know that. I found Dr. Fung about 2 weeks ago. I'll have to look into him being discredited. Dr. Ken Barry. I've also looked into the new castle diet to reverse diabetes but it's practically starvation so I'm not sure I can commit to that.

keto can work for people with insulin issues and type 2. but many here reversed their diabetes just losing weight and watching what they ate. some eat a decent amount of carbs and other eat keto or do low carb. for some its a preference and others its based on what works best for their insulin issues. of course its going to depend on the person. but there is no need to not eat for 2 days and do a water fast to try and reverse diabetes for some fasting without food for 2 days could cause hypoglycemia.

I understand that and was smart enough to check my sugars often which I imagine anyone would know to do. I was saying what I did. I'm not on here pushing for anyone to try it. I didn't advocate for it only made a statement.

I wasnt saying you were pushing anyone to try it. I tried it in the past but it wasnt for me since I have a health issue and cant do high fat diets. I would hope those people would check their levels,but when you have people believing fung who states that you can quit your insulin cold turkey just by doing keto and doing IF, you are going to have people doing just that. If someone wants to do keto thats fine, Im not against it at all. just stating that these so called drs know nothing about certain things yet they promote diets saying its a cure all. he even went as far to say it cures diabetes(you cant cure it,you can reverse it) and that it will prevent or even treat cancer.

nvmomketo

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »

31shines wrote: »

I tried cico for awhile with not much luck. I don't do keto but I do low carb try to stay under 50 grams a day and I do IF. I've lost 19 pounds in a month and a half. Last week I even did my first 48 hour water fast. I never thought I could do that. I'm a diabetic and have been reading a lot about how this helps Reverse it. Good luck!

just losing weight can reverse diabetes in some. there is no need to water fast. low carb and weight loss can make a big difference for some.I dont know how a water fast is going to reverse diabetes though. do you have any links stating this?

I'm not that technology smart but you can just Google it. Dr. Fung, Dr. Barry, are 2 who suggest fasting for type 2 diabetes. But I was mainly talking about low carb. I'm a carb addict never thought I could do low carb or a water fast. I've just started looking into different studies.

you lost me at fung ,he was discredited many times. and never heard of Dr Barry there are many with that name so not sure which one you mean

I didn't know that. I found Dr. Fung about 2 weeks ago. I'll have to look into him being discredited. Dr. Ken Barry. I've also looked into the new castle diet to reverse diabetes but it's practically starvation so I'm not sure I can commit to that.

Fung's work is directed at reducing insulin, via lowered BG and lower carb intake, for diabetics. His plan does work fairly well in treating those with insulin resistance (meaning it reduces their insulin resistance and BG numbers).

How he explains the science of "why" his diet works for those with IR is what is not proven. Yes, insulin can cause fat gain, as is seen in insulin injection site on T1Ds, but a high carb diet, and the responding higher insulin levels, does not automatically cause fat gain in everyone.

Agathokakological

Here is an article from the obesity research journal that has some info on fasting. I have been doing omad (23:1) for 4 weeks now and it has been amazing. It's keeping me in a deficit and I'm losing steadily and feel great physically and mentally. I am trying to lower my carbs too, but I'm not sure I'd be able to sustain that long-term. I am trying to keep my carbs lower and fat higher. I'm not too successful yet though. I find that with higher fat I feel more satisfied whereas when I ate over half of my calories in carbs I would always feel hungry the next morning where the higher fat doesn't seem to have that effect on me.

Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Understanding and Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting