Chicken yay or nay
mutantspicy
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For me lately its been nay, but I'm not sure if its really necessary.
About 3 years ago, I was diagnosed with Fat malabsorption. Which the symptoms are certain foods would trigger an active volcano in my pooper. If ate any kind acidic fruit or vegetable I would be running for the toilet within a half an hour. It was crazy to me that it would happen so fast. But also, I have the issue of not enough fat nutriets in my system. hair breaking, brittle nails, achy joints, even though at the time I was a meat eater, steak and chicken quite a bit. I always used olive oil, coconut oil, and avocados, so I was getting plenty of fat in my diet but I wasn't getting the nutrients out of it. However, my main concern was the burning diarrhea and hemoroids that go with it. So I've experimented with all sorts of foods.
Instantly, it was clear that upping my fiber was critical and helpful. However, I was still having many issues. Well finally about 4 months back, starting doing heading toward mediterranian/pescatarian style diet. Although I will make self a filet mignon on the grill every so often, maybe once a month.
Wallah, The last 2 months I have been meat free except fish, mostly salmon. Finally the active volcano is dormant. I had already dialed my beef intake back to only lean steak once in a while, but I was still a eating chicken breast or thigh daily for the most part. So it seems once I cut chicken out, I'm better? I dunno yet. so now I'm experimenting with adding things back in that I cut out due this issue. So It makes me wonder, if because of the fat mal absorption issue, animal fat maybe causing me to have these digestive issues.
I already confirmed I can handle tomatoes, salsas, I starting to try sweet peppers again, it seems ok so far. Now I'm adding more fruit and see what happens. So I'll let you know my progress.
Just curious, if anyone is having issues with chicken in their diet??
About 3 years ago, I was diagnosed with Fat malabsorption. Which the symptoms are certain foods would trigger an active volcano in my pooper. If ate any kind acidic fruit or vegetable I would be running for the toilet within a half an hour. It was crazy to me that it would happen so fast. But also, I have the issue of not enough fat nutriets in my system. hair breaking, brittle nails, achy joints, even though at the time I was a meat eater, steak and chicken quite a bit. I always used olive oil, coconut oil, and avocados, so I was getting plenty of fat in my diet but I wasn't getting the nutrients out of it. However, my main concern was the burning diarrhea and hemoroids that go with it. So I've experimented with all sorts of foods.
Instantly, it was clear that upping my fiber was critical and helpful. However, I was still having many issues. Well finally about 4 months back, starting doing heading toward mediterranian/pescatarian style diet. Although I will make self a filet mignon on the grill every so often, maybe once a month.
Wallah, The last 2 months I have been meat free except fish, mostly salmon. Finally the active volcano is dormant. I had already dialed my beef intake back to only lean steak once in a while, but I was still a eating chicken breast or thigh daily for the most part. So it seems once I cut chicken out, I'm better? I dunno yet. so now I'm experimenting with adding things back in that I cut out due this issue. So It makes me wonder, if because of the fat mal absorption issue, animal fat maybe causing me to have these digestive issues.
I already confirmed I can handle tomatoes, salsas, I starting to try sweet peppers again, it seems ok so far. Now I'm adding more fruit and see what happens. So I'll let you know my progress.
Just curious, if anyone is having issues with chicken in their diet??
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good for you for finding out what works for you:) I choose not to consume chicken, as I believe eating meat puts your body under stressful conditions. The time not spent digesting can be used repairing my body and I feel that's more important ((IMHO)). Keep doing what is working for you and what's making you feel good28
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caymanbound109 wrote: »georgieamber2 wrote: »good for you for finding out what works for you:) I choose not to consume chicken, as I believe eating meat puts your body under stressful conditions. The time not spent digesting can be used repairing my body and I feel that's more important ((IMHO)). Keep doing what is working for you and what's making you feel good
Can you explain the bolded for me. This doesn't make any sense.
Of course - people may not agree with my but it's my opinion and what works for my body ((just before people bash me hahaha please don't14 -
I don't know if that sent?? Basically plants are easier to break down than meat...so amino acids are more readily available to use for growth and repair. Why a lot of endurance athletes are cutting out meat. x17
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No.georgieamber2 wrote: »I don't know if that sent?? Basically plants are easier to break down than meat...so amino acids are more readily available to use for growth and repair. Why a lot of endurance athletes are cutting out meat. x
For a number of reasons.
It may be widely repeated vegan propaganda, but that doesn't mean it's true.
Of the 5 "perfect proteins" by a PDCAAS score of 1.0, only one of them is plant-based. The 5 are whey, milk, egg, casein and soy. Beef is next in line, at 0.92.
By BV (biological value) score, soy ranks last out of all the above. It also ranks last in PER (protein efficiency ratio) score, and also in net protein utilization. And soy is the most "efficient" plant-based protein there is.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/12 -
For the record, I don't know if its chicken I'm intolerant to or simply animal fat in general. I know I can eat eggs and fish on the reg.
I don't seem to have a problem with beef or pork, but I then eat beef or pork very rarely. Beef maybe once a month if that and pork a couple times a year. Whereas I was eating chicken almost daily. So it might be just a matter of quantity. I also mostly cut out dairy too, except non fat yogurt and some cheese.0 -
georgieamber2 wrote: »I don't know if that sent?? Basically plants are easier to break down than meat...so amino acids are more readily available to use for growth and repair. Why a lot of endurance athletes are cutting out meat. x
I think maybe we are all just different. I grew up on a farm and my mom and grandpa were avid gardeners, so I grew up eating vegetables right off the vine. So it wasn't a difficult transition for me to switch to mostly plant based and largely raw diet. While many have hard time digesting meat, just as many have hard time dealing with all the fiber in a plant based diet. Just seems like for me a plant based diet is what I need at the moment.2 -
Chicken breasts are generally very low in fat (if you're eating them skinless), so it doesn't seem like that would be the cause. The USDA database has a boneless, skinless chicken breast at 103 calories, 21.32 g of protein and 1.1g fat per 100g serving. 1.1 grams of fat is almost negligible content.mutantspicy wrote: »For the record, I don't know if its chicken I'm intolerant to or simply animal fat in general. I know I can eat eggs and fish on the reg.
I don't seem to have a problem with beef or pork, but I then eat beef or pork very rarely. Beef maybe once a month if that and pork a couple times a year. Whereas I was eating chicken almost daily. So it might be just a matter of quantity. I also mostly cut out dairy too, except non fat yogurt and some cheese.
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I don't discriminate.
If it moves on 2 or 4 legs, I'll eat it. I also eat legless animals and plants too.7 -
I was vegetarian for a long time and then pescatarian for several more before adding poultry back in. I got tired of eating so much chicken and I’ve been eating more plant based meals. I think adding things back slowly is smart, that way you can see what the culprit is/was.1
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I was vegetarian for a long time and then pescatarian for several more before adding poultry back in. I got tired of eating so much chicken and I’ve been eating more plant based meals. I think adding things back slowly is smart, that way you can see what the culprit is/was.
Yeah thanks. I definitely am going to experiment, but I'm not in a big hurry. Its been 3 years of hell, and the last 2 or 3 months has been a blessing.3 -
I'm just happy you're finding something that is working for you and making you a better you! Plus, unlike some rude people, you respected what works for me too:) xxx9
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caymanbound109 wrote: »georgieamber2 wrote: »I don't know if that sent?? Basically plants are easier to break down than meat...so amino acids are more readily available to use for growth and repair. Why a lot of endurance athletes are cutting out meat. x
Somehow I don't believe that. Do you have any peer-reviewed scientific studies to back up your claim? I'll wait.
All I am saying is meat is more difficult to digest than plants... I never said it was bad.11 -
I eat so much chicken I am surprised I don't lay eggs. I don't eat mammals and while I also love seafood, it's easier and cheaper to bake up a bunch of chicken and have it ready for quick lunches or whatnot for days.6
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CarvedTones wrote: »I eat so much chicken I am surprised I don't lay eggs. I don't eat mammals and while I also love seafood, it's easier and cheaper to bake up a bunch of chicken and have it ready for quick lunches or whatnot for days.
I did the same out of convenience for a long time.0 -
Chicken breasts are generally very low in fat (if you're eating them skinless), so it doesn't seem like that would be the cause. The USDA database has a boneless, skinless chicken breast at 103 calories, 21.32 g of protein and 1.1g fat per 100g serving. 1.1 grams of fat is almost negligible content.mutantspicy wrote: »For the record, I don't know if its chicken I'm intolerant to or simply animal fat in general. I know I can eat eggs and fish on the reg.
I don't seem to have a problem with beef or pork, but I then eat beef or pork very rarely. Beef maybe once a month if that and pork a couple times a year. Whereas I was eating chicken almost daily. So it might be just a matter of quantity. I also mostly cut out dairy too, except non fat yogurt and some cheese.
Its a good point and something I may consider experimenting with again down the road. But I was always more of thigh and leg guy, and out of convenience I ate alot of rotisserie chickens just because it was easy to prep for lunch, throw on a salad, or make a quick quesadilla. Usually when I made breasts it was more of production and I would barbecue them or something. So no I never compared the different types of chicken. And if this issue has to do my malabsorption problem, that would a good variable to know. Either way I'm not in a hurry, I'm feeling better than I have in a couple years.1 -
Talk to your MD about Rx pancreatic enzyme therapy? Has made a world of difference for some1
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I'm slightly chicken intolerant, but not as bad as eggs. I can have it several times a week, but not daily. Maybe try to reduce the frequency and see how it goes?1
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Too much chicken (or protein in general) causes a flareup of reflux for me. I usually keep my meat/fish portions at not above 100gr, with rice and veggies and I'm fine. Egg is also problematic, and it's not the egg yolk but the white that causes this. Meh!0
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georgieamber2 wrote: »All I am saying is meat is more difficult to digest than plants... I never said it was bad.
I am not arguing, but I dont understand "difficult to digest" ... its a food, all foods get broken down and digest at different rates. but difficult ? .... I dont understand whats difficult, the body digests it, as its supposed to ?
where as fibre ? .... the body cant digest fibre, so surly this means that is even more "difficult"
again, I am not being argumentative, I just really dont get your science or reasoning
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Too much chicken (or protein in general) causes a flareup of reflux for me. I usually keep my meat/fish portions at not above 100gr, with rice and veggies and I'm fine. Egg is also problematic, and it's not the egg yolk but the white that causes this. Meh!
Yep, it's the white for me too. I'm down to being able to have it once a week now, used to be able to eat it twice. Even then I get problems, but nothing too bad and certainly not as bad as having it a few days in a row. It sucks because I love eggs.0 -
Congrats, OP, for figuring this out.
As for “difficult to digest”, I’d rank fiber first and fat second. As humans to get the most out of grass or bamboo we’d need five stomachs and some cud chewing time. Gorillas and Pandas spend all day gathering and digesting their vegetarian meals. That doesn’t leave much time to solve quantum equations.
Fat takes the longest and we need bile to help break it down. It’s a complex highly compact energy source.5 -
For person questioning plant based diet benefit, this is straight from one of my nutrition textbooks: ‘Studies show that vegetarians have lower total blood cholesterol, low-density lipo-protein levels, and blood pressure, all of which reduce their cardiovascular risks; indeed, research suggests that vegetarians have lower risk of obesity, heart disease, hypertension, cancer, type 2 diabetes, and mortality than those consuming a typical western diet.’
Pope J, Nizielski S, McCook A Nutrition for a changing world; 2016
There is truth to the statement that meat is harder to digest. The stomach must work harder to digest protein (this isn’t necessarily a bad thing) in order to denature it enough to allow the enzyme pepsin to access these bonds. Also remember that meat contains no fiber at all. Many are consuming excessive amounts of protein which is still energy and if not used it’s stored as fat. Of course you can eat meat and be healthy too, just use moderation.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Too much chicken (or protein in general) causes a flareup of reflux for me. I usually keep my meat/fish portions at not above 100gr, with rice and veggies and I'm fine. Egg is also problematic, and it's not the egg yolk but the white that causes this. Meh!
Yep, it's the white for me too. I'm down to being able to have it once a week now, used to be able to eat it twice. Even then I get problems, but nothing too bad and certainly not as bad as having it a few days in a row. It sucks because I love eggs.
I'm generally not too keen on egg, and things like low fat milk or other dairy is not for me either. Thus I'm fine there. I don't need massive amounts of meat. Bit worried though about a Utah National Park trip next month as I'm also not too keen on too much fat. Instead I need dense carbs for energy, like good quality bread with a proper crust, good rice or pasta dishes (without cheese).0 -
For person questioning plant based diet benefit, this is straight from one of my nutrition textbooks: ‘Studies show that vegetarians have lower total blood cholesterol, low-density lipo-protein levels, and blood pressure, all of which reduce their cardiovascular risks; indeed, research suggests that vegetarians have lower risk of obesity, heart disease, hypertension, cancer, type 2 diabetes, and mortality than those consuming a typical western diet.’
Pope J, Nizielski S, McCook A Nutrition for a changing world; 2016
There is truth to the statement that meat is harder to digest. The stomach must work harder to digest protein (this isn’t necessarily a bad thing) in order to denature it enough to allow the enzyme pepsin to access these bonds. Also remember that meat contains no fiber at all. Many are consuming excessive amounts of protein which is still energy and if not used it’s stored as fat. Of course you can eat meat and be healthy too, just use moderation.
There is no net storage of fat when in a caloric deficit, regardless of the makeup of your intake.3 -
Keto_Vampire wrote: »Talk to your MD about Rx pancreatic enzyme therapy? Has made a world of difference for some
Thanks for the tip! I'll research it.
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