No "S" Diet
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Toshberry25M wrote: »New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »You recently posted that you lost 103 lbs. What were you doing then that you can't continue doing now? You never specified that in any posts about your weight loss.
I'm in a plateau , been stuck for a month no budging?!!! my body got so use to it and i have been exercising 5-6 days a week for a hr a day ,and doing WT 2-4 days a week for 30-40 mins and drinking nothing but water and unsweetened tea and coffeee with only 50 cals of creamer in it... eating average of 16-1800 cals daily , it keeps balancing up and down , i need to shock my body and get it moving again, i'm on my last 15-20 pounds to lose and it's a b$tch... what do or would you suggest if it were you !?
Sorry for the late reply. I'd follow the excellent advice given and not panic. I'd keep doing what I was doing and have patience. I'm in the same boat. The last few pounds are slow. But my body is still changing for the good. I'm getting stronger, my runs are getting faster. Good things are happening.
Get a trending app. Take up a sport maybe. Tighten your logging. And relax and enjoy the process.2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
You Win!
Lol! I'm doing the "No BS" diet myself.10 -
Despite what you hear on the internet, in general fasting causes insulin spikes when you do eat. Eating regularly keeps the levels more even. The reason fasting helps some diabetics is because it can give the pancreas a chance to rest and heal.
As to what I would suggest: patience. Perhaps try a new form of exercise so that you are engaging your brain and challenging your muscles in new ways.12 -
I did this for a couple of years before cell phones and calorie counting apps. This way of eating allows you to (probably) have a calorie deficit without counting. If you read the book, he is against counting, weight watchers, ect. But once I found calorie counting, I found it much easier to just count and eat when I wanted to. I eat about 5 times a day now and get the same result.
When I did "no s", I lost about 20 pounds but I always went to bed so hungry....2 -
Is it just me or is there a new fad diet every week! this one I've not heard of at all.
My advice, count your calories, stay at calorie deficit, move a bit more and hey presto, weight loss follows.7 -
This!!!!5 -
Ok, I am going to say this. I do IF, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I don't do it for some "magic" weight control thing, I do it because in get larger meals, some appetite control, and I get less food focused. I still count my macros and calories. FAD diets do work, but most of them are not sustainable long term. I considered Adkins, but I like my carbs! You seem as someone pointed out to like trendy things. Well how about the elephant diet! You can eat all you want, but you have to catch your own elephant. Sounds crazy? Well it would work! I fell for the guru bs when I started. Don't follow my life. As far as spiking insulin. Insulin spikes are going to happen! Though as you lose weight you become far more sensitive to your own insulin. The body becomes far better at shuttling nutrients into cells. So, insulin spikes are less. Look up the research. I am not going to reply to anymore of these messages. I sure there are people here very happy about that! Lol best of luck.
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Never heard of No S.
I did read a book in the 90s though, where the author joked about the 4 S diet. He could have unlimited amounts of steak, shrimp, salad, and sex.5 -
For *kittens'* sake. You've been incredibly successful and lost 100lbs and are going bananas over your stalled progress and the speed of your last 20lbs?
What exactly do you think will happen in 20 lbs that is different to today?
Seriously. You have a 100 lb loss to celebrate and protect and you're acting as if in 20lbs your life will change.
Relax. Start transitioning to what you think will be maintenance type eating especially if you've been restricting stuff.
It is better to deal with this while still "trying" to lose weight than when you're trying to maintain. At least if you go off plan now, you are already in weight loss mode and more likely to act than you would be otherwise.
You're closer to normal weight. Big deficits will no longer work as well. Especially without diet breaks you probably require significantly more than a 3500 paper deficit to lose a lb.
Stick your daily weigh in in a weight trend application. Measure your food (which it sure does not sound like you're doing) and eat a correctly weighed and recorded quantity of calories closer to your maintenance aiming to lose a pound or two a month as opposed to a pound a week.
You are planning on maintaining your weight loss right? So what exactly are you planning on changing in 20 pounds from now? Why do you think that that will help you maintain your loss without re gaining?
If you're planning to continue like you're doing now.... why the heck are you in a hurry and upset about this outward lack of progress which nevertheless is an excellent opportunity to learn new maintenance skills, and a validation of your current ones?16 -
I'm not sure how this is a "fad diet." It sounds very normal. Don't eat snacks, don't eat sweets, and don't go back for seconds except for the weekend when you can have a cupcake or ice cream. How is that a fad??5
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I'm not sure how this is a "fad diet." It sounds very normal. Don't eat snacks, don't eat sweets, and don't go back for seconds except for the weekend when you can have a cupcake or ice cream. How is that a fad??
Because it doesn't address caloric deficit, which is what is needed for weight loss.
How about if I have these meals every day of the week (one serving, no seconds):
Breakfast: six egg omelette with 4 oz. cheese, large serving of hash browns, 16 ounce glass of whole milk.
Lunch: Half pound burger, large fries, iced tea.
Dinner: 16 ounce ribeye, large baked potato with butter, sour cream and chives, salad with 4 tbsp. blue cheese dressing.
I've obeyed all the rules of the "No S diet". Am I going to lose weight?16 -
I like the other 'S' diet: The Sooner you Stop with the Silly fad diets and establish a consistent calorie deficit, the Sooner you'll be Successful.[/quote]
You're my spirit animal.
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I like the D.A.Y. Diet, restrictions on types of food except on days that end with DAY4
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OP 100 lbs is awesome yeah you! Do you think the S diet is sustainable? I would think you can keep doing what you have been so far.
You'll get those last 20 lbs off0 -
I'm not sure how this is a "fad diet." It sounds very normal. Don't eat snacks, don't eat sweets, and don't go back for seconds except for the weekend when you can have a cupcake or ice cream. How is that a fad??
Because it doesn't address caloric deficit, which is what is needed for weight loss.
How about if I have these meals every day of the week (one serving, no seconds):
Breakfast: six egg omelette with 4 oz. cheese, large serving of hash browns, 16 ounce glass of whole milk.
Lunch: Half pound burger, large fries, iced tea.
Dinner: 16 ounce ribeye, large baked potato with butter, sour cream and chives, salad with 4 tbsp. blue cheese dressing.
I've obeyed all the rules of the "No S diet". Am I going to lose weight?
Not a chance: six egg omelette, starts with an "S." You could do five or eight though. And "s"our cream and "s"alad? Are you even trying?17 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I feel a little guilty because I think I'm the one who mentioned The No S Diet in one of your other threads. Double guilty because people seem to think of it as a fad, when it's nothing more than a normal, traditional eating pattern. And I honestly didn't think it was possible to get it so totally and completely wrong.
Eating regular meals should help you stick to an appropriate calorie target, because eating at meals and only at meals, and no seconds, for most people means not overeating. You can still count calories, and if you struggle with weight/portion control, it's probably a good idea, at least in the beginning, until you get a better understanding of what normal portions look like.
What "results" are you referring to? Are you measuring your blood glucose through the day?
You don't "shock" your body into weightloss. The last pounds are slow, so you need patience and accuracy, and if you're eating back exercise calories, you're probably overestimating too.
and...I'm not sure how this is a "fad diet." It sounds very normal. Don't eat snacks, don't eat sweets, and don't go back for seconds except for the weekend when you can have a cupcake or ice cream. How is that a fad??
seem very good advice to me.4 -
Yes i think the basis of the S plan sounds reasonable enough- ie No sweets, no snacks, no seconds except on weekends.
The plan does not mean no S starting foods
If one tended to eat seconds one didnt need and ate a lot of calories in snacks and sweets, then addressing this, whilst still leaving room for treats on occasion ie weekends, could be an easy way to create a calorie deficit.
and some people dont like calorie counting and like easy methods - nothing wrong with that.
Of course, like all plans, one has to adhere to the intention of the plan - not deliberately eat huge high calorie meals or pig out on seconds, snacks, sweets on weekends blowing your weekly progress and still expect it to work.
So, yes, basically good advice - or at least something reasonable to consider
HOWEVER - OP has already lost 100lb and only has last 15 - 20 to go.
Probably needs a tighter method at this point.
and whatever you have been doing to lose the 100 i would stick with - just make sure you are doing it tightly and expect progress to be slower now.0 -
Apart from snacks, I do this anyway, I don't eat sweets or go back for seconds. And what's wrong with snacks exactly?
(I should add I'm from the UK and in the UK we call candy sweets)1 -
additionally whats wrong with seconds or sweets ?5
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I tried this before I found MFP. I ended up putting more on my plate for first serving, "just in case" I would still be hungry. I much prefer just counting calories and eating what fits.6
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Nothing is wrong with seconds snacks or sweets - but i can see that for many people cutting these things out would create a calorie deficit - so, easy way to cut calories without counting calories.
and for many people without compromising their nutrition - since sweets and snacks tend to be less nutritious foods for many people, and no seconds just cuts down on portion sizes.
having relaxed rule on weekends means it isnt too restricitive and people dont feel they are forgoing sweets or snacks altogether and thus are more likely to adhere to it..
and giving it a catchy name helps it get out there and people remember it.
I havent followed it myself - but it does seem reasonable and easy to follow strategy to me.
Some people seem to dismiss any method that isnt calorie counting without actually considering the pros and cons of it.
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I had to look this up. No S can mean anything: no salt, no steak. No succotash. No naughties. No side-lying clams. No *kitten*.
It's just another way of *maybe* creating a deficit. Provided you don't Stuff Sugar on Saturdays to compensate.0 -
SabAteNine wrote: »I had to look this up. No S can mean anything: no salt, no steak. No succotash. No naughties. No side-lying clams. No *kitten*.
It's just another way of *maybe* creating a deficit. Provided you don't Stuff Sugar on Saturdays to compensate.
But it doesnt mean that - the no S diet means no sweets, no snacks, no seconds except on Saturdays and Sundays.
It doesnt mean no S starting foods.
and of course it is just another way of creating a deficit - all viable plans are - so of course it won't work if you dont follow the intention of the plan, like if you stuff yourself on Saturdays.
If we are going to discuss diet strategies, lets discuss what they really are.
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paperpudding wrote: »SabAteNine wrote: »I had to look this up. No S can mean anything: no salt, no steak. No succotash. No naughties. No side-lying clams. No *kitten*.
It's just another way of *maybe* creating a deficit. Provided you don't Stuff Sugar on Saturdays to compensate.
But it doesnt mean that - the no S diet means no sweets, no snacks, no seconds except on Saturdays and Sundays.
It doesnt mean no S starting foods.
and of course it is just another way of creating a deficit - all viable plans are - so of course it won't work if you dont follow the intention of the plan, like if you stuff yourself on Saturdays.
If we are going to discuss diet strategies, lets discuss what they really are.
Yup. As I said, I looked it up (also read your previous comments - thanks for those), hence the last sentence. The „mean anything” comment was addressed to the OP, who didn't take the time to provide an explanation, inviting my imagination to roam freely.
These plans are seductive in their simplicity, although nothing is simpler than CICO. They're good enough if you understand the end game („strategy” if you will), but can backfire otherwise. It's easy to wipe out a Mo-Fri deficit on weekends.1 -
SabAteNine wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »SabAteNine wrote: »I had to look this up. No S can mean anything: no salt, no steak. No succotash. No naughties. No side-lying clams. No *kitten*.
It's just another way of *maybe* creating a deficit. Provided you don't Stuff Sugar on Saturdays to compensate.
But it doesnt mean that - the no S diet means no sweets, no snacks, no seconds except on Saturdays and Sundays.
It doesnt mean no S starting foods.
and of course it is just another way of creating a deficit - all viable plans are - so of course it won't work if you dont follow the intention of the plan, like if you stuff yourself on Saturdays.
If we are going to discuss diet strategies, lets discuss what they really are.
Yup. As I said, I looked it up (also read your previous comments - thanks for those), hence the last sentence. The „mean anything” comment was addressed to the OP, who didn't take the time to provide an explanation, inviting my imagination to roam freely.
These plans are seductive in their simplicity, although nothing is simpler than CICO. They're good enough if you understand the end game („strategy” if you will), but can backfire otherwise. It's easy to wipe out a Mo-Fri deficit on weekends.
Or you could not even create a deficit in the first place on this.3 -
That's true steven - you could not.
But for many people it will be a simple way to do so
Sabatenine - CICO is not a diet strategy.
If you mean calorie counting - no I dont think nothing is simpler. I think for many people it is tedious and difficult. Or at least they perceive it to be so and dont want to try it. - hence an easier simplified strategy can be better for them.
and yes it only works if you understand the strategy - ie how it creates a deficit.
Reading the authors words he does explain this - and specifically talks about not derailing it by going silly on weekends or overloading your plate so you get it all in first serve.
I dont agree with everything he says and I am quite happy calorie counting - but I do think the basic strategy is quite sound.2
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