what is a "lifestyle change"?

jjpptt2
jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?
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  • rsclause
    rsclause Posts: 3,103 Member
    I look at a diet as a temporary calorie reduction or limiting a type of food. Atkins diet, low fat diet and countless others. The difference between calorie deficit and maintenance is not a radical adjustment. The retraining of proper calorie intake is the major part of the lifestyle change and it goes on forever. I have other lifestyle changes that fit in like exercise or not eating fast food on a daily basis.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    For me personally... if I just ate however I wanted, I'd probably average well over 4000 calories per day... which on most days would be a significant calorie surplus. Yes, at some point things would balance out and I'd stop gaining weight, but I have no interest in maintaining at 300lbs (or where ever I leveled off).

    So for me, I'll be managing/controlling my calories for most of the rest of my life, regardless of whether I'm trying to gain/lose/maintain. In my book, that's dieting... it's a conscience and intentional managing of what and/or how much I eat. Just because it doesn't have a trendy name like keto or atkins or whatever, it's still a diet. I guess that's the crux of my dislike/lack of understanding about the lifestyle terminology.


    I just googled "diet definition" and the verb use of diet is:
    restrict oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight.

    I guess the "lose weight" part of the definition is where it loses me. Or I lose it.
  • Lounmoun
    Lounmoun Posts: 8,423 Member
    I think a lot of people use it to say I am changing my diet and activity not I am sleeping more, changing jobs, going back to school, moving to another country, growing my own food, going camping instead of going to casinos for vacation fun, wearing shorts instead of suits, selling the house and buying a condo, having a baby, getting divorced, going on medication, or whatever. It sounds more important to say lifestyle change when it really is just eating a bit different and exercising more.
  • steveko89
    steveko89 Posts: 2,223 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point).

    Thinking about and/or measuring intake or simply paying attention to what and how much one eats may be a significant paradigm shift for some. As others said, it can often be an effort to create existentially "better" and/or "healthier" habits to support the efforts input in the kitchen.

    Beyond that it's all semantics. The industry is so inundated with named diets that "going on a diet" or "dieting" connotes something far more structured than simply tracking and reducing calories, despite the applicability of the dictionary definition.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    When I started out 5.5 years ago I was a 2-3 PAD smoker who was very sedentary, and my diet was not particularly nutritionally sound and I was just over the line of overweight to clinically obese. I went in for my 38th birthday exam and came out with some really bad blood work...my triglycerides were so high that they couldn't even get a number on my cholesterol, pre-diabetic blood sugar levels, vitamin D deficient, and high blood pressure.

    For most of my life I was a pretty lean, healthy and fit guy and a competitive track and field athlete from 3rd grade through high school, and I couldn't believe at 38 what was going on.

    I dieted to lose weight...but at the same time, I delved into nutrition and my diet evolved into something much more nutritionally sound than it was before. I also introduced regular exercise back into my life...something I hadn't done in well over a decade.

    TLDR - My lifestyle change was basically implementing a more nutritionally sound diet along with regular exercise.

  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    edited April 2018
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    I think you're maybe getting hung up on the fact that "diet" means "way of eating" in addition to "restrict[ing] oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight". Lifestyle change is about focusing on the former rather than the latter: I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    Can you elaborate?


    I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    I read that as a change in habit, such that eating an appropriate amount and/or a balanced diet becomes habit, rather than requiring constant effort and attention. i.e. being on a diet = attention and effort, having changed my diet = new habits and tendencies.
  • tinkerbellang83
    tinkerbellang83 Posts: 9,129 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    Probably not going to make it to 100 if you're restricting calorie intake that long if you want to argue extremes.

    The point is to be successful there has to be a plan for maintaining your goal weight and per your dictionary definition that's not a diet.
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    Every term used in the diet, weight loss, fitness industries are semantics. Diet, lifestyle change, Paleo, low carb, clean eating, HIIT, heavy lifting, eating healthy. They are all vague terms or shorthand that people use when they are trying to sell you something or need clickbait for their blog.
    That's fair, and kind of what I'm otherwise inclined to think.

    kimny72 wrote: »
    When people use these terms, they mean - diet is temporary, lifestyle change is permanent. Regardless of what the dictionary definition of each word is. Honestly if you are going to criticize terms used in the industry with dictionary definitions there is a long and arduous list for you to work through!
    I'm not just arbitrarily criticizing terms for no good reason. I'm asking about a term, a concept, that seems to have traction on MFP. I've been at this for some 7+ years and I still feel like I'm on a diet. I anticipate being on a diet for the next 10 years at least (I assume that at some point I'll stop caring). It sometimes seems like I'm missing something.

  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    End date, end goal, whatever. Sure the term "Lifestyle change" get's overused, but given how often people look for quick fix plans, supplements, shakes, and fad diets, the idea that you need to make permanent changes to lose weight and maintain the loss is helpful.

    At some point in time, if you are successful in reaching your goal, you will have to decide if you will work to maintain the weight loss or return to the former habits that made you overweight the first time. If you are going to maintain new habits that serve the goal of maintenance, then congrats, you've made a "lifestyle change".
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    When I started out 5.5 years ago I was a 2-3 PAD smoker who was very sedentary, and my diet was not particularly nutritionally sound and I was just over the line of overweight to clinically obese. I went in for my 38th birthday exam and came out with some really bad blood work...my triglycerides were so high that they couldn't even get a number on my cholesterol, pre-diabetic blood sugar levels, vitamin D deficient, and high blood pressure.

    For most of my life I was a pretty lean, healthy and fit guy and a competitive track and field athlete from 3rd grade through high school, and I couldn't believe at 38 what was going on.

    I dieted to lose weight...but at the same time, I delved into nutrition and my diet evolved into something much more nutritionally sound than it was before. I also introduced regular exercise back into my life...something I hadn't done in well over a decade.

    TLDR - My lifestyle change was basically implementing a more nutritionally sound diet along with regular exercise.

    Is it habitual now for you? If I'm not mistaken, you've been maintaining for a few years now, right? Does it still require regular attention and effort, or does it largely handle itself?
  • jjpptt2
    jjpptt2 Posts: 5,650 Member
    jemhh wrote: »
    I used to spend a good deal of my free time in a chair, eating anything I could get my hands on and watching TV. Now I spend most of my free time being active or reading and I eat at a level to reach or maintain a healthy weight. That was my lifestyle change.

    I think I like that. I need to let it marinade a little bit, but I think I like that.

    Thanks.
  • lightenup2016
    lightenup2016 Posts: 1,055 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    For me personally... if I just ate however I wanted, I'd probably average well over 4000 calories per day... which on most days would be a significant calorie surplus. Yes, at some point things would balance out and I'd stop gaining weight, but I have no interest in maintaining at 300lbs (or where ever I leveled off).

    So for me, I'll be managing/controlling my calories for most of the rest of my life, regardless of whether I'm trying to gain/lose/maintain. In my book, that's dieting... it's a conscience and intentional managing of what and/or how much I eat. Just because it doesn't have a trendy name like keto or atkins or whatever, it's still a diet. I guess that's the crux of my dislike/lack of understanding about the lifestyle terminology.


    I just googled "diet definition" and the verb use of diet is:
    restrict oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight.

    I guess the "lose weight" part of the definition is where it loses me. Or I lose it.

    I'm the same – – if left unchecked, I could probably easily eat 3000 cal a day, and gain weight. I'm currently "dieting" because I'm aiming to lose weight by eating at a deficit. My method of doing so is a lifestyle change, whereby I will have to manage and log my calories to be sure I'm staying within my calorie allowance. Once I'm at maintenance, I would say I'm no longer "dieting", because I'll no longer be trying to lose weight. But I will still be having to manage/log my calories in order to do that. That to me, is the lifestyle change I have chosen.

  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    edited April 2018
    I don't use "lifestyle change" because it's so overused to the point where it's meaningless. It makes me cringe a bit.

    I think it means dieting with an eye on maintenance, habit building, sustainability, and situational strategies. Basically, a way of eating that extends beyond a single weight point and becomes part of life, and yes, it still requires effort for most people.

    Dieting conventionally means creating a deficit to lose weight through whatever means for the purpose of achieving a weight goal, at least that's how I use it. I'm currently dieting because I'm currently creating a caloric deficit to achieve a goal weight. Dieting can involve "a lifestyle change", a "quick fix", and anything in between. Dieting, in the popular negative sense, means taking a hiatus from your daily habits in order to achieve a weight goal, then resuming said habits with little interest in tackling the habits themselves to support weight maintenance.

    The difference between the two, in my mind, is that a "lifestyle change" is more about the process, and dieting is more about the destination.

    ETA: my personal lifestyle change involves habits of all kinds, some effortless that I do without thinking (like walking around the house when waiting for stuff or eating a significantly smaller amount of oil than I used to eat), some require only a little bit more effort, like deliberately exercising, and some require more effort, like calculated food choices. I have also developed to-go strategies to make certain situations easier to handle without flying off the rails, like social situations, holidays, and hormonal hunger.
  • Running_and_Coffee
    Running_and_Coffee Posts: 811 Member
    For me the difference would be: a diet is a temporary caloric reduction you do to lose weight you did not want to gain. For example, after my first son was born, I had to be a bridesmaid in a wedding at 4 months post partum, and I spend 2 weeks living on meal replacement shakes and lost the pregnancy pounds I had remaining. This probably just sped up a natural process, as I did not gain any of this back when I resumed to a normal diet.

    But since he was a toddler--and he is about to turn 15--I have been "attentive" to my eating and exercise habits and have maintained the same weight within a range of about 10 lbs since then. That might have meant a variety of different approaches (at one point, I was on WW, now I am on keto, but I have ALWAYS paid attention to how much I am eating vs. burning and have reduced when my scale crept up). So that's my "healthy lifestyle"--would not describe it as a "diet" because it's never been temporary. It's always been a strategy with tactics that have changed as I've gotten fatigued by one program or intrigued by another.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    jemhh wrote: »
    I used to spend a good deal of my free time in a chair, eating anything I could get my hands on and watching TV. Now I spend most of my free time being active or reading and I eat at a level to reach or maintain a healthy weight. That was my lifestyle change.

    ^This is me.

    I don't care what it's called, I've developed healthier habits and have different goals than I used to.
  • MegaMooseEsq
    MegaMooseEsq Posts: 3,118 Member
    edited April 2018
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    I think you're maybe getting hung up on the fact that "diet" means "way of eating" in addition to "restrict[ing] oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight". Lifestyle change is about focusing on the former rather than the latter: I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    Can you elaborate?

    It seems like you're trying to distinguish between "diet" and "lifestyle change." I think that when people talk about a "lifestyle change," they're signaling that they are focused on the first definition of diet (way of eating) rather than the second (restricting to lose weight). If we had two different words for the two definitions maybe we wouldn't have all this lifestyle change language floating around, but I'm not in charge of the English language so there you go.

    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    I read that as a change in habit, such that eating an appropriate amount and/or a balanced diet becomes habit, rather than requiring constant effort and attention. i.e. being on a diet = attention and effort, having changed my diet = new habits and tendencies.

    I don't think that changing one's habits around eating and exercise means the same thing as not having to put any effort into maintaining a healthy lifestyle. We (the majority of us on these boards, at least) live in possibly the first era in human history where the health problems from overeating outnumber the health problems from under-eating.* We are constantly encouraged to move less and eat more. Changing one's lifestyle means developing habits that counter that influence, so yes, a certain degree of effort and attention is going to be required. Probably more for some people than others depending on a host of factors. In my case, I hope to get to the point where the primary way that I do that is by weighing myself regularly, but if I need to continue logging and weighing my food, so be it.

    *Random side note: overeating is recognized as a word by my spellcheck, but undereating is not.

    ETA: TL;DR I blame the washing machine and corn subsidies.
  • michaelwyatt8262
    michaelwyatt8262 Posts: 17 Member
    The difference between a diet and lifestyle change IMO is that a diet is normally restrictive and temporary. Like, my goal is to lose 10 pounds - I’m not going to eat carbs for 2 weeks to lose that ten pounds - then I’m going back to my “normal” habits. However, a lifestyle change IMO is education. Learning how food works with my body and applying that education for a better understanding of my wellness. And as a consequence of being more educated and applying my new understandings of how much food I’m eating, how that food effects me, documenting my calories.... (being invested in what I’m doing rather than just mindlessly doing it) I achieve goals. But my lifestyle change isn’t goal oriented. Diets are goal oriented. Lifestyle changes are wellness oriented. Ya know what I mean?
  • bennettinfinity
    bennettinfinity Posts: 865 Member
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    briscogun wrote: »
    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I see people talk about changing their lifestyle or making a lifestyle change, as opposed to dieting. What does that even mean? Admittedly, it's one of those terms like "fitness journey" that makes me cringe. But I'm trying to be open minded here... help me understand.

    For me, this is absolutely a diet. I'm managing what I eat and how much I eat based on my goals. It requires almost constant attention, and I don't see that ever changing (unless I completely throw in the towel at some point). What am I missing?

    The bolded is a lifestyle change. As long as you do what you stated above, you have changed how you manage and relate to food.

    Most people refer to a "diet" as a temporary thing that goes out the window once you get to "X" goal or whatever. Managing your diet going forward is a lifestyle change.

    So it's the existence of an end date that differentiates it? What if I say I'm going on a diet until I'm 100 years old? Yes, I'm being argumentative, but only to make a point. Is there an actual difference between a diet and a lifestyle change, or is it just semantics?

    I think you're maybe getting hung up on the fact that "diet" means "way of eating" in addition to "restrict[ing] oneself to small amounts or special kinds of food in order to lose weight". Lifestyle change is about focusing on the former rather than the latter: I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    Can you elaborate?

    It seems like you're trying to distinguish between "diet" and "lifestyle change." I think that when people talk about a "lifestyle change," they're signaling that they are focused on the first definition of diet (way of eating) rather than the second (restricting to lose weight). If we had two different words for the two definitions maybe we wouldn't have all this lifestyle change language floating around, but I'm not in charge of the English language so there you go.

    jjpptt2 wrote: »
    I am not on a diet, but I have changed my diet.

    I read that as a change in habit, such that eating an appropriate amount and/or a balanced diet becomes habit, rather than requiring constant effort and attention. i.e. being on a diet = attention and effort, having changed my diet = new habits and tendencies.

    I don't think that changing one's habits around eating and exercise means the same thing as not having to put any effort into maintaining a healthy lifestyle. We (the majority of us on these boards, at least) live in possibly the first era in human history where the health problems from overeating outnumber the health problems from under-eating.* We are surrounded by active enticements to move less and eat more. Changing one's lifestyle means developing habits that counter that influence, so yes, a certain degree of effort and attention is going to be required. Probably more for some people than others depending on a host of factors. In my case, I hope to get to the point where the primary way that I do that is by weighing myself regularly, but if I need to continue logging and weighing my food, so be it.

    *Random side note: overeating is recognized as a word by my spellcheck, but undereating is not.

    Agreed... the OP has changed the habit of mindless eating to the habit of mindful eating... from putting forth no thought or effort to their way of eating to putting in considerable effort.