Muscle loss or fat loss and 30minute eating must after a workout
SugarAndSugar
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will your body use fat if you don't eat after a fasted workout. Theres that principle of you must eat within 30 minutes postworkout. However, after a Resistance training and cardio session together, all on an empty stomach and then eating about 5 hours after your workout, will your body use fat as the energy it needs?
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What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.7 -
concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth2 -
concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I meant to say both muscle and fat3 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.11 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.
So do we need to eat 30minutes after the fasted workout?1 -
For weight loss, it does not matter when you eat. Just consume fewer calories. If you're hungry after your workout, eat.5
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SugarAndSugar wrote: »SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.
So do we need to eat 30minutes after the fasted workout?
As @sijomial said, meal timing is irrelevant for most people. You don't need to workout fasted and you don''t need to eat 30 mins after. Do what fits your personal preferences.2 -
The importance of nutritional priorities for weight loss.
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Oh, and this...
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Beat ya, @GottaBurnEmAll !!!
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Beat ya, @GottaBurnEmAll !!!
Too fast for me!1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Beat ya, @GottaBurnEmAll !!!
Too fast for me!
That's what she said.......4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Beat ya, @GottaBurnEmAll !!!
Too fast for me!
And I don't even do cardio..
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SugarAndSugar wrote: »SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.
So do we need to eat 30minutes after the fasted workout?
Too vague a question....
("Need" is probably too strong, "want" or "might be beneficial" are the middle ground of the spectrum that ends with "no you don't".)
How long is your fasting period? (Hours? Days?)
How long is your workout?
When will you eat next?
When will you next train?
Additional question is why are you doing your workouts fasted?4 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »will your body use fat if you don't eat after a fasted workout. Theres that principle of you must eat within 30 minutes postworkout. However, after a Resistance training and cardio session together, all on an empty stomach and then eating about 5 hours after your workout, will your body use fat as the energy it needs?
The simple answer - your body is probably using some muscle as energy, but it's a small amount and can be replaced if you do strength training and your calorie deficit is small. Still, i don't think it's an optimal way to train. Eating soon afterward will help somewhat.
The technical answer. After an overnight fast, around 1/4 to 1/2 of glucose production comes from gluconeogenesis, depending on the duration & intensity of exercise (source 1, source 2). During gluconeogenesis, "catabolism of muscle proteins to amino acids contributes the major source of carbon for maintenance of blood glucose levels" (source 1, source 2).
"Rhabdomyolysis may be precipitated by prolonged exercise and fasting" (source), so if you have kidney or other medical disorders, ask your doctor if it's safe.
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SugarAndSugar wrote: »SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.
So do we need to eat 30minutes after the fasted workout?
Depends on what you're doing, when the next time you eat will be, your overall calorie needs, etc
Your overall calorie intake is going to influence muscle loss more than anything if your deficit is overly aggressive.0 -
If you have to ask these questions... why are you bothering to do all this to yourself?
Do you feel that you're exercising better stronger faster by doing it fasted?
Are you training for some extreme conditions where you're going to have to produce results in that state, say while you're cold hungry and shelter less trying to avoid people trying to capture you?
Or have you drunk some Kool-Aid where you think you will get better training results and more fat loss by exercising hungry?
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SugarAndSugar wrote: »SugarAndSugar wrote: »concordancia wrote: »What else would it use?
Now, if you eat excess calories, you will just put the fat right back on.
People seem to think that the body is either using fat or storing fat, in reality, it is constantly going back and forth, depending on current needs.
I was thinking it might use muscle or just not allow the protein synthesis for muscle growth
Muscle is a precious commodity and only used as a fuel as a last resort. Glycogen and fat are your primary fuels.
Muscle protein synthesis goes on all the time, it's elevated after exercise and can remain elevated for 24 - 36hrs.
Meal/food/nutrient timing is an irrelevance for most people.
If you are exercising for 2hrs + or doing multiple hard training sessions a day then it becomes important.
For most of people just concentrating on an overall healthy diet and fitting in exercise to suit their schedule is all that's required.
So do we need to eat 30minutes after the fasted workout?
Too vague a question....
("Need" is probably too strong, "want" or "might be beneficial" are the middle ground of the spectrum that ends with "no you don't".)
How long is your fasting period? (Hours? Days?)
How long is your workout?
When will you eat next?
When will you next train?
Additional question is why are you doing your workouts fasted?
Just around 12-16 hours0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Oh, and this...
But like will your body use body fat as fuel?1 -
SugarAndSugar wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Oh, and this...
But like will your body use body fat as fuel?
If you have a calorie deficit over the course of time (day/week), your body will eventually burn fat. Along the way, it may burn energy from food recently consumed, or from body fat, or - very rarely - from lean tissue.
Worrying about the exact timing of eating is pointless for the average person (sub-elite athlete), as the chart says. The more important aspect of timing eating is how it affects satiation and compliance, for most of us. If we're hungry, we may not successfully maintain a calorie deficit, therefore not lose fat. If we're hungry, we may become weak/fatigued, so be listless and apathetic, and burn fewer calories in daily life or be less vigorous in our exercise. Timing matters for that.
If you're in a calorie deficit, you'll lose body fat. If your deficit is sensibly moderate, you eat enough protein overall, and you exercise, you'll minimize lean tissue loss.6
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