My diet plan - good or bad?
thepineapplez
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I currently weigh 250lb and I want to lose 10lb per month. I plan on doing this with a combination of diet and exercise.
I set up a points system for myself to stay motivated:
If I have 10 or more points that week, I add them to my total for all weeks and reward myself with a booster juice. Every 30 points I get, I additionally reward myself by allocating $250 of my savings towards the new computer I want.
If I have less than 10 points at the end of the week, I subtract 10 points from my overall total for all weeks, setting me back at least a week from getting me my big reward (computer).
My Diet:
I eat mostly Hol Food, a meal replacement. This makes it really easy to keep track of every nutrient and calorie I eat as well as making sure that my meals are well balanced. Anything else that I may eat, I also record for my calorie intake but with less accuracy. Today I have purchased a large container of whey protein. I plan on eating 1 scoop of this (27g protein) per day, mix in with my hol food.
Exercise
I mostly focus on cardio, with a little strength building. As I stated already, I try to work out in the morning whenever possible. Some mornings I will go to the gym and walking on a treadmill (max incline at 3mph for 40 minutes) and some weight lifting (5-10 minutes). Other mornings I will go for a bike ride for 30-60 minutes.
Then I try to get another workout in the evening. Usually biking, sometimes racquetball or tennis, sometimes martial arts. My best workout is when I bike to racquetball, play for an hour or two, then bike home uphill into the wind.
So I have a few questions about this diet plan.
Thank you
I set up a points system for myself to stay motivated:
- If I work out in the morning, I get 1 point
- If I have a 1000 calorie deficit at the end of the day I get 1 point
If I have 10 or more points that week, I add them to my total for all weeks and reward myself with a booster juice. Every 30 points I get, I additionally reward myself by allocating $250 of my savings towards the new computer I want.
If I have less than 10 points at the end of the week, I subtract 10 points from my overall total for all weeks, setting me back at least a week from getting me my big reward (computer).
My Diet:
I eat mostly Hol Food, a meal replacement. This makes it really easy to keep track of every nutrient and calorie I eat as well as making sure that my meals are well balanced. Anything else that I may eat, I also record for my calorie intake but with less accuracy. Today I have purchased a large container of whey protein. I plan on eating 1 scoop of this (27g protein) per day, mix in with my hol food.
Exercise
I mostly focus on cardio, with a little strength building. As I stated already, I try to work out in the morning whenever possible. Some mornings I will go to the gym and walking on a treadmill (max incline at 3mph for 40 minutes) and some weight lifting (5-10 minutes). Other mornings I will go for a bike ride for 30-60 minutes.
Then I try to get another workout in the evening. Usually biking, sometimes racquetball or tennis, sometimes martial arts. My best workout is when I bike to racquetball, play for an hour or two, then bike home uphill into the wind.
So I have a few questions about this diet plan.
- I burn 4000+ calories a day and I want a 1000 calorie deficit. Does this mean I should be eating approx 3000 cal per day?
- My measurement of burned calories comes from my fitbit charge hr 2. Is this accurate? I am worried that it is inaccurate and because of it, I am eating too much.
- I started eating whey protein because I want to work out more but sometimes my muscles get too tired so I have to let them rest. Is extra protein a good solution for this?
- What other effects will additional protein provide?
Thank you
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IMHO, you are setting yourself up for failure - meal replacements like Hol don't teach you long-term habits to maintain - what is going to happen when you reach your weight goal and have to transition back to real food?13
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Mind if I ask where your 4000 figure comes from? You didn't mention your height or age, but a 20 yr old man of 6'2" has to be athlete level in activity to burn that many calories.4
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How much weight are you looking to lose? Right now 10 pounds a month would be fine (about 1 % of your weight), but as you get closer to your goal that won't be as sustainable. Additionally, you should look into doing some form of strength/resistance training to preserve your muscle mass as you lose.
Long story short: set up a reasonable deficit. Eat foods that fit your goals. Skip the reward/punishment system and figure something else out...say, for every 10 pounds lost you put $250 towards the computer.4 -
I do not plan on transitioning back to real food. I have eaten soylent for an entire year and loved it. Had to switch to Hol food because Soylent is not available in canada (I now realize Hol Food is better anyway). I honestly love eating meal replacement like this over real food. I am not just doing it because I am trying to lose weight, meal-replacement is already a part of my lifestyle, not temporary.29
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I don't even know where to begin on not ever eating real food again...37
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4000+ calories burned according to fitbit. When I work out I usually burn 600-900 cal/hr, and I work out for about 2 hr per day.
I am 5.75 feet tall and 27 years old
I currently ride a fixed gear bike with a high gear ratio. I also live in a hilly area with high winds. Riding this bike in these conditions is a KILLER full body workout. I have done this in the past and was amazed at how much upper body strength I didnt know I was building. I supplement this strength building with small weight training sessions at the gym.
and I am not eating meal replacement exclusively. I usually eat one regular meal per day.
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I agree that you might be setting yourself up to fail. With that said, one thing that will help is lifting more then 5-=10 minutes. Try to lift at least every body part 1 time per week and try to get in at least 16-20 sets. You need more muscle in your body to get more of caloric burn each day. Also, so you will never eat out again, or go to a party and eat. That seems a bit daunting to me, but if you can do that, more power to you. Protein will help you recover quicker and make you feel more full. Also, do not fear fat!. At 250 lbs, you should be consuming around 100 grams per day of good fats. Aim for 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight and fill the rest in with carbs. Mostly being greens.7
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raywojtalewicz wrote: »I agree that you might be setting yourself up to fail. With that said, one thing that will help is lifting more then 5-=10 minutes. Try to lift at least every body part 1 time per week and try to get in at least 16-20 sets. You need more muscle in your body to get more of caloric burn each day. Also, so you will never eat out again, or go to a party and eat. That seems a bit daunting to me, but if you can do that, more power to you. Protein will help you recover quicker and make you feel more full. Also, do not fear fat!. At 250 lbs, you should be consuming around 100 grams per day of good fats. Aim for 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight and fill the rest in with carbs. Mostly being greens.
250 grams of protein is way overkill. .8-1 gram per pound of lean mass/goal weight is the normal recommendation.4 -
I was 253 on January 3. Today I am 211. I did this by counting my calories, eating high nutrition foods instead of empty calories and having a few days where I ate dessert because it was a date night, etc. I walk when I feel like it, because up until now the weather has been awful. You don't have to force down meal replacements, etc. Because if it were me, as soon as I lost the weight I wanted I would drop the meal replacements, binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.5
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Well, since this is the MFP forum, I might suggest you put your height and weight and desired rate of loss into the MFP program and see how many calories you can eat every day. Then log all your food intake. Then log all your exercise. MFP will tell you some approximate amount of calories burned through exercise. You can eat back those calories. I personally think the FitBit estimates versus MFP estimates are interesting but don't know how much variance there is between them. I can only say that MFP worked to get me to my goal weight. I had a Garmin VIvofit and ended up not syncing them and relied on MFP alone.
I think your point system, if that's what will motivate you, is just fine. I'd personally tie it to weight loss achieved, as @malibu927 suggested (reward for every 10 pounds lost). But I'm curious - if you've been eating these meal replacements happily for a year, what rate of weight loss have you already achieved?
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binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.
I know you think you can do MR forever but this line I quoted might be worth you reading again. Not the gain part but the refused part. I know you are not doing 3 MRs and I know you are getting desserts here and there but be careful because 'refused' signals a level of self-denial you may not have fully compensated for yet.
I will let the protein and fitness people worry about the rest so I will just say don't marry your plan. If this is what you think is best try it and adjust as often as needed. Over-committing to a plan has led me to failure many times.
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I was 253 on January 3. Today I am 211. I did this by counting my calories, eating high nutrition foods instead of empty calories and having a few days where I ate dessert because it was a date night, etc. I walk when I feel like it, because up until now the weather has been awful. You don't have to force down meal replacements, etc. Because if it were me, as soon as I lost the weight I wanted I would drop the meal replacements, binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.
I am not forcing down meal replacements.
As I have already said, I enjoy this kind of life style and I am doing so voluntarily because I enjoy eating meal replacement over real food. Meal replacement is cheap to make and purchase, easy and cheap to ship because of the density, drastically cuts down on waste products such as garbage as well as resources such as fresh water or electricity for constantly preparing meals and washing dishes and other messes, the taste is easily modified, takes almost no time out of my day, etc. etc. There are a million reasons why I choose meal replacement over real food for the majority of my meals.13 -
you gonna eat it forver?
ok. if it floats your boat. sounds downright miserable to me.
imma gonna have a hamburger for lunch! And onion rings!
real food is good.14 -
thepineapplez wrote: »I was 253 on January 3. Today I am 211. I did this by counting my calories, eating high nutrition foods instead of empty calories and having a few days where I ate dessert because it was a date night, etc. I walk when I feel like it, because up until now the weather has been awful. You don't have to force down meal replacements, etc. Because if it were me, as soon as I lost the weight I wanted I would drop the meal replacements, binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.
I am not forcing down meal replacements.
As I have already said, I enjoy this kind of life style and I am doing so voluntarily because I enjoy eating meal replacement over real food. Meal replacement is cheap to make and purchase, easy and cheap to ship because of the density, drastically cuts down on waste products such as garbage as well as resources such as fresh water or electricity for constantly preparing meals and washing dishes and other messes, the taste is easily modified, takes almost no time out of my day, etc. etc. There are a million reasons why I choose meal replacement over real food for the majority of my meals.
just out of interest, how long have you only eaten meal replacements for?0 -
We don't have a lot of members here who have experience with using meal replacements long-term. If you're on reddit or are interested in checking it out, it looks like r/mealreplacements may have some members who have lost weight while also using meal replacements. It may be worth checking out the resources there.6
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Lawdie. Just figure out how many calories you have to stay at or under for weight loss. Eat that many calories.
Done!13 -
Meal replacement forever?
You live alone? No spouse? No kids?
When life changes and MR isn't sustainable, then what?10 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »Lawdie. Just figure out how many calories you have to stay at or under for weight loss. Eat that many calories.
Done!
This is what I am asking for help with. I burn 4000+ calories a day and I want a 1000 calorie deficit. Does this mean I should be eating approx 3000 cal per day? That seems like a lot, which is why I am asking.TavistockToad wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »I was 253 on January 3. Today I am 211. I did this by counting my calories, eating high nutrition foods instead of empty calories and having a few days where I ate dessert because it was a date night, etc. I walk when I feel like it, because up until now the weather has been awful. You don't have to force down meal replacements, etc. Because if it were me, as soon as I lost the weight I wanted I would drop the meal replacements, binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.
I am not forcing down meal replacements.
As I have already said, I enjoy this kind of life style and I am doing so voluntarily because I enjoy eating meal replacement over real food. Meal replacement is cheap to make and purchase, easy and cheap to ship because of the density, drastically cuts down on waste products such as garbage as well as resources such as fresh water or electricity for constantly preparing meals and washing dishes and other messes, the taste is easily modified, takes almost no time out of my day, etc. etc. There are a million reasons why I choose meal replacement over real food for the majority of my meals.
just out of interest, how long have you only eaten meal replacements for?
I have eaten soylent for 1.5 years but then had to switch back to real food for about a year because I was moving around a lot for work. I have now been eating Holfood for about a month and I love it.
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thepineapplez wrote: »
This is what I am asking for help with. I burn 4000+ calories a day and I want a 1000 calorie deficit. Does this mean I should be eating approx 3000 cal per day? That seems like a lot, which is why I am asking.
If your calories burned is accurate, yes.5 -
thepineapplez wrote: »midlomel1971 wrote: »Lawdie. Just figure out how many calories you have to stay at or under for weight loss. Eat that many calories.
Done!
This is what I am asking for help with. I burn 4000+ calories a day and I want a 1000 calorie deficit. Does this mean I should be eating approx 3000 cal per day? That seems like a lot, which is why I am asking.TavistockToad wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »I was 253 on January 3. Today I am 211. I did this by counting my calories, eating high nutrition foods instead of empty calories and having a few days where I ate dessert because it was a date night, etc. I walk when I feel like it, because up until now the weather has been awful. You don't have to force down meal replacements, etc. Because if it were me, as soon as I lost the weight I wanted I would drop the meal replacements, binge on all the food I refused to let myself have the past few months and gain it all back.
I am not forcing down meal replacements.
As I have already said, I enjoy this kind of life style and I am doing so voluntarily because I enjoy eating meal replacement over real food. Meal replacement is cheap to make and purchase, easy and cheap to ship because of the density, drastically cuts down on waste products such as garbage as well as resources such as fresh water or electricity for constantly preparing meals and washing dishes and other messes, the taste is easily modified, takes almost no time out of my day, etc. etc. There are a million reasons why I choose meal replacement over real food for the majority of my meals.
just out of interest, how long have you only eaten meal replacements for?
I have eaten soylent for 1.5 years but then had to switch back to real food for about a year because I was moving around a lot for work. I have now been eating Holfood for about a month and I love it.
Yes -- if the 4,000 is an accurate estimate of how much your body is using per day, then a calorie goal of 3,000 would be a 1,000 calorie deficit.
Since we're all just starting with estimates for how much energy your body is using, you'll want to track for a while, pay attention to your real life results, and then make any necessary adjustments. Many people find they burn more or less than their initial estimates. Others find that it was spot-on and they don't need to change anything.
As you lose weight, your body will use less energy day-to-day and during intentional exercise, so you won't be at 3,000 forever.4 -
thepineapplez wrote: »
I have eaten soylent for 1.5 years but then had to switch back to real food for about a year because I was moving around a lot for work. I have now been eating Holfood for about a month and I love it.
Serious question - How did you end up overweight?7 -
My original question for this thread was not about my choice of eating meal replacement vs real food. Lets ignore the fact that I enjoy meal replacement and just assume I eat real food like everybody else from now on. Does the diet plan that I asked about make sense?9
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thepineapplez wrote: »My original question for this thread was not about my choice of eating meal replacement vs real food. Lets ignore the fact that I enjoy meal replacement and just assume I eat real food like everybody else from now on. Does the diet plan that I asked about make sense?
Well, since "diet" means the items you ingest, that's basically impossible.8 -
1) 4000cal seems like an extremely high calorie estimate - even with your working out
2) even if you were proposing eating real food and not MR - extremely restricting eating plans are often setting up for failure (I would say the same thing to people who were eating only cabbage soup or other fad diet plans)3 -
If you're truly burning 4000 calories a day, yes, eat 3000 for a 1000 calorie deficit. The only way to know for sure that this is actually what is happening is to try it for 4-6 weeks and see if you're losing faster, slower, or staying the same.6
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Weight loss doesn't have to be that hard. I know it's all confusing and overwhelming at first but it's very helpful to remember that as long as you create a calorie deficit, you will lose weight.
Weight loss comes down to calories. Create a calorie deficit- you'll lose weight.
It's helpful to learn moderation and portion control because these are tools that will help you for life. Meal replacements are like a bandage. They may be helpful at first but not so much forever. At some point if you want to have a healthy relationship with food and a well balanced diet, it's going to be a good idea to learn moderation and portion control. You'll thank yourself later on if you take the time to put in the work now.
There's no short cuts and no easy way out ( besides surgery) so putting in the work needed for long term success is going to be a good idea.2 -
Your plan seems inflexible and a bit punishing. The more punishing the harder it will probably be able to sustain long term.
MFP will give you a calorie goal and recommend an amount of protein, etc. Start there.
I think a rest day with exercise is generally recommended. If your muscles are tired you might benefit from rest rather than more exercise and more protein.
https://www.theactivetimes.com/why-rest-days-are-just-important-working-out
A 1000 calorie deficit will be okay when you are 50+ lbs overweight. As you lose it will not be appropriate to continue that high of a deficit. You need to realize that 10 lbs a month is not reasonable or healthy for your entire loss.
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This seems relevant...
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10664065/eliminating-a-diet-food-mindset#latest2 -
Why all liquid diet? Booster juice, whey protein and holfood? Do you have a medical reason to consume your calories in this way?
Did you gain weight using soylent prior to needing to lose weight? If it did not attribute to weight loss or proper weight management (leading you to need to lose weight now), the plan does not make sense. Couple this with the need to exercise twice a day and poor dieting strategies, the plan sounds unhealthy, unsustainable both mentally and physically.6 -
Ok I have stated this several times but Ill state it again. I am choosing to eat meal replacement because I enjoy the life style. I do not consider this as "punishment", "forcing myself", "being that hard" or as a "extremely restricting eating plan". Eating meal replacement provides me with everything I need to function and I feel fully sustained when I consume it.
There is no medical reason why I choose to consume food in the form of liquid, I just enjoy it. Is that really so unbelievable?quiksylver296 wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »My original question for this thread was not about my choice of eating meal replacement vs real food. Lets ignore the fact that I enjoy meal replacement and just assume I eat real food like everybody else from now on. Does the diet plan that I asked about make sense?
Well, since "diet" means the items you ingest, that's basically impossible.
Yes I realize this and agree with you. I was just trying to prevent the discussion from going completely off track by removing the negative connotations people associate with meal replacement.
Those of you who have answered the questions I asked and provided me with advice, thank you. I appreciate it.7
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