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autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis MAY be helped by drinking baking soda
JeromeBarry1
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180425093745.htm
A daily dose of baking soda may help reduce the destructive inflammation of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, scientists say.
They have some of the first evidence of how the cheap, over-the-counter antacid can encourage our spleen to promote instead an anti-inflammatory environment that could be therapeutic in the face of inflammatory disease, Medical College of Georgia scientists report in the Journal of Immunology.
A daily dose of baking soda may help reduce the destructive inflammation of autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, scientists say.
They have some of the first evidence of how the cheap, over-the-counter antacid can encourage our spleen to promote instead an anti-inflammatory environment that could be therapeutic in the face of inflammatory disease, Medical College of Georgia scientists report in the Journal of Immunology.
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What does that little box like thing mean next to the post? I never know what it is1
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What does that little box like thing mean next to the post? I never know what it is
Do you mean this thing:
It means someone has flagged the post as either spam or abuse. 5 flags of the same kind and the post gets bumped to the moderators to look at. It's being used incorrectly here since it's only meant for hate speech, pron, or bot-style spam. Everything else is supposed to be reported rather than flagged.5 -
It can also help constipation unintentionally if you really want to try this....2
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diannethegeek wrote: »What does that little box like thing mean next to the post? I never know what it is
Do you mean this thing:
It means someone has flagged the post as either spam or abuse. 5 flags of the same kind and the post gets bumped to the moderators to look at. It's being used incorrectly here since it's only meant for hate speech, pron, or bot-style spam. Everything else is supposed to be reported rather than flagged.
Thanks for explaining,I had one of those by a post I made that wasn't even bad,wasn't sure what it was for2 -
I have RA. It would be so cool if baking soda was all I needed. I have a huge Costco sized bag in the pantry. Thanks for the link.
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pinggolfer96 wrote: »It can also help constipation unintentionally if you really want to try this....
^ True story.1 -
The article itself is a bit vague, and I can imagine millions of people trying this without any further information. So, public service announcement here...
Please don't eat baking soda by the spoonful or anything silly like that. If you have medical issues, talk to your doctor before trying anything new that you read on the internet.
The article indicates the doctors did get published in a peer-reviewed journal (Journal of Immunology), so there may be something to it but I'd still check with your own doctor first before trying it.
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I saw this. It looked somewhat interesting as a course of research, at the very least!2
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Interesting. Find it ironic that Baking Soda is a very alkaline substance, yet people have been saying "bah" for years on the pH diet -- eating more alkaline versus acidic. I'm not sure I completely buy into the pH diet, but I do think there's something to the Western diet being so acidic. People always counter that with saying the body does an amazing job of balancing pH, which it does, but is this the first indication of "at what cost"? Perhaps that's what they are on to here.11
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In reading the article, the alkaline baking soda triggered the stomach to produce more acid, and by doing so suppressed the spleen's immune response.
It has zero to do with the pH diet and its claims of eating foods to change your pH. In fact, the measured response of the stomach was to maintain the stomach's normal pH.11 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »In reading the article, the alkaline baking soda triggered the stomach to produce more acid, and by doing so suppressed the spleen's immune response.
It has zero to do with the pH diet and its claims of eating foods to change your pH. In fact, the measured response of the stomach was to maintain the stomach's normal pH.
People highly underestimate the power of homeostasis.6 -
Isn't it baking soda that people used to mix in a cup of water and drink it to make them burp?3
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MikePfirrman wrote: »Interesting. Find it ironic that Baking Soda is a very alkaline substance, yet people have been saying "bah" for years on the pH diet -- eating more alkaline versus acidic. I'm not sure I completely buy into the pH diet, but I do think there's something to the Western diet being so acidic. People always counter that with saying the body does an amazing job of balancing pH, which it does, but is this the first indication of "at what cost"? Perhaps that's what they are on to here.
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For what it's worth, I never once said you could change the pH of your body. What I said was, was it possible that the biological process required to change the pH back to neutral, which the body does an incredible job at, detrimental to the body? Or at least that is what I hinted. Perhaps I didn't spell it out enough. Because that's basically what this study found -- the process of making your body neutral (via the stomach/spleen and I would assume kidneys?) created a potentially positive change.
I don't believe you can change the pH of your body either.
To quote a "dummy", "the body does an amazing job of balancing pH"...
From the study:
One of the many functions of the kidneys is balancing important compounds like acid, potassium and sodium. With kidney disease, there is impaired kidney function and one of the resulting problems can be that the blood becomes too acidic, O'Connor says. Significant consequences can include increased risk of cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis.
"It sets the whole system up to fail basically," O'Connor says. Clinical trials have shown that a daily dose of baking soda can not only reduce acidity but actually slow progression of the kidney disease, and it's now a therapy offered to patients.
In other words, it sounds like they are saying if you eat too acidic for too long, you are overworking your kidneys and they not able to keep your body pH neutral. To me, this sounds exactly like they are saying that the process of making your body neutral (again, which it does an absolutely amazing job of) also comes at a cost.5 -
Yes this is something I've done just make sure you don't use the arm and hammer or any other brand containing aluminum6
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Amarolda1122 wrote: »Yes this is something I've done just make sure you don't use the arm and hammer or any other brand containing aluminum
This is something you’ve done? For what reason? Which brand?0 -
Amarolda1122 wrote: »Yes this is something I've done just make sure you don't use the arm and hammer or any other brand containing aluminum
Baking soda, including Arm & Hammer brand, doesn't contain aluminum. It's straight sodium bicarbonate.
Some baking powder, a different product entirely, contains aluminum-based acidifiers.11 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »In reading the article, the alkaline baking soda triggered the stomach to produce more acid, and by doing so suppressed the spleen's immune response.
It has zero to do with the pH diet and its claims of eating foods to change your pH. In fact, the measured response of the stomach was to maintain the stomach's normal pH.
It's been a couple of days since I read it, but I think that was the hypothesis. Note: hypothesis. The results they had on something they did were in rats, and weren't directly related to this, they only hope it might lead to this.
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pinggolfer96 wrote: »It can also help constipation unintentionally if you really want to try this....
Baking soda or the flag button?2 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »It can also help constipation unintentionally if you really want to try this....
Baking soda or the flag button?
Hilarious;)
I just wanted to say that I am finding more and more "home remedies" do work. For me it's trial and error, but it's great finding something that takes care of the issue without going to the doc. I have a spider bite that spread out a bit larger than a quarter. I found out baking soda, made into a paste, is so helpful in clearing up the bite.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »From the study:
One of the many functions of the kidneys is balancing important compounds like acid, potassium and sodium. With kidney disease, there is impaired kidney function and one of the resulting problems can be that the blood becomes too acidic, O'Connor says. Significant consequences can include increased risk of cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis.
"It sets the whole system up to fail basically," O'Connor says. Clinical trials have shown that a daily dose of baking soda can not only reduce acidity but actually slow progression of the kidney disease, and it's now a therapy offered to patients.
In other words, it sounds like they are saying if you eat too acidic for too long, you are overworking your kidneys and they not able to keep your body pH neutral. To me, this sounds exactly like they are saying that the process of making your body neutral (again, which it does an absolutely amazing job of) also comes at a cost.
Except that's not what the study was saying. It said with already damaged kidneys, blood can get too acidic. Not that too much acid damages the kidneys. There's nothing in this paper that points to acid as anything that causes kidney damage, but rather it's a symptom of kidney damage they were trying to fight.
And after reading the journal article, the hypothesized reason for the anti-inflammatory result was actually a cholinergic response, which for some reason necessitated both the baking soda and functioning proton pumps in the stomach but may have nothing at all to do with an acid/base reaction. It looks like the baking soda was originally studied to fight excess acid from kidney disease, but they then found out it also had an anti-inflammatory effect, but not that that effect had anything necessarily to do with acid/base chemistry. Does that seem likely given the fact that they found you absolutely needed functioning proton pumps to get the effect? Sure, it does. But until they try a different base and get the same response, no one can be sure this even has anything to do with acid/base chemistry.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Interesting. Find it ironic that Baking Soda is a very alkaline substance, yet people have been saying "bah" for years on the pH diet -- eating more alkaline versus acidic. I'm not sure I completely buy into the pH diet, but I do think there's something to the Western diet being so acidic. People always counter that with saying the body does an amazing job of balancing pH, which it does, but is this the first indication of "at what cost"? Perhaps that's what they are on to here.
Thank you for science! Body always compensates.1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »It can also help constipation unintentionally if you really want to try this....
Baking soda or the flag button?
Both, methinks.2 -
Me thinks, if one has health issues which the doctors do not give a hang to help you with, you do the best you can for yourself and if that includes having a glass or two of bicarb and water daily, so be it. You may be restored to a better quality of life and to keep you out of the A&E department as well as the wards, its worth it.
It also helps to calm salicylate sensitivity. Salicylatesensitivity'com. Bicarb may also help with ureic acid which can produce shards of salts accumulating in joints, can be related to a arthritis. Wish I had knows this and more 30 years ago, could have saved me so much.
Big Pharma have an interest in reducing the use of home remedies.5
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