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michelle172415 wrote: »I think that you guys are being unnecessarily harsh to the OP. You have no idea what she ate or what her workouts consisted of or what her medical history is. Is that kind of loss normal? Not necessarily. Are we all a bit jealous? Probably, I know I am. I see so many people leave these boards because they get jumped on by all of the internet experts, and it isn't fair. My H lost 45lbs in a MONTH last year, and I promise you, he was not starving himself, he was just very, very diligent and was working out like a fiend.
I'm not the least bit jealous. I lose enough hair as it is due to struggling with anemia and predict in a few months the OP will start shedding like crazy.
(Plus all the people I know who lost weight super fast also rebounded fast.)
Signs of being malnourished often take a while to kick in.
What Are the Risks of Rapid Weight Loss?
Rapid weight loss creates physical demands on the body. Possible serious risks include:- Gallstones, which occur in 12% to 25% of people losing large amounts of weight over several months
- Dehydration, which can be avoided by drinking plenty of fluids
- Malnutrition, usually from not eating enough protein for weeks at a time
- Electrolyte imbalances, which rarely can be life threatening
Other side effects of rapid weight loss include:- Headaches
- Irritability
- Fatigue
- Dizziness
- Constipation
- Menstrual irregularities
- Hair loss
- Muscle loss
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collectingblues wrote: »TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Let me just throw this out there right now. I did not at any point starve myself. I have a medical condition where I put on weight super easy and lose it very slowly normally. They adjusted my thyroid levels and now I'm closer to where I should be.
What was your last TSH reading? Did they take a full thyroid panel including fT3, fT4, and rT3?
Thyroid disorders have minimal impact on metabolism. It is important to understand what this condition does and does not do. It may have great impact on your appetite triggers where you eat and never feel satiated. It can impact your sleep and fatigue triggers making you feel sleepy and tired when you really are not. It has minimal impact on metabolism. ~5% from clinical observation and that is in the extreme case. This equates to ~80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day caloric budget.
It also can cause water retention, but that's really neither here nor there if the logging and tracking aren't en pointe to begin with.
BINGO!
ANY hormone shift causes water retention. This is your body's natural defense mechanism.
Note that this is the only clinically provable weight gain associated with hypothyroidism - water weight.2 -
collectingblues wrote: »TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Let me just throw this out there right now. I did not at any point starve myself. I have a medical condition where I put on weight super easy and lose it very slowly normally. They adjusted my thyroid levels and now I'm closer to where I should be.
What was your last TSH reading? Did they take a full thyroid panel including fT3, fT4, and rT3?
Thyroid disorders have minimal impact on metabolism. It is important to understand what this condition does and does not do. It may have great impact on your appetite triggers where you eat and never feel satiated. It can impact your sleep and fatigue triggers making you feel sleepy and tired when you really are not. It has minimal impact on metabolism. ~5% from clinical observation and that is in the extreme case. This equates to ~80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day caloric budget.
It also can cause water retention, but that's really neither here nor there if the logging and tracking aren't en pointe to begin with.
BINGO!
ANY hormone shift causes water retention. This is your body's natural defense mechanism.
Note that this is the only clinically provable weight gain associated with hypothyroidism - water weight.
Yup. I lost four pounds in the first week of a med adjustment from being in an undermedicated state to an optimal state. Was it water? You bet. But thanks to meticulous logging, I know that the 16 pounds I put on in that year of being undermedicated was also water. And now I just need to wait for it to come off.
I told my therapist that I'm aware that if what the difference is between what I weigh, and what my calorie deficit should have me weigh, really was all water, that I'm going to have to see my dietitian to start working calories back in, because the difference is quite stark, and would put me in an underweight state.
But it was *having* those meticulous logs -- along with what my weight and my meds and my lab results were during that time -- that got my new endo to take me seriously, and come up with a treatment plan. If I hadn't had those, I'm sure he would have thought (as did my previous one, who refused to even look at them) that no, I was just blaming the hypothyroid instead of taking ownership.3 -
collectingblues wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Let me just throw this out there right now. I did not at any point starve myself. I have a medical condition where I put on weight super easy and lose it very slowly normally. They adjusted my thyroid levels and now I'm closer to where I should be.
What was your last TSH reading? Did they take a full thyroid panel including fT3, fT4, and rT3?
Thyroid disorders have minimal impact on metabolism. It is important to understand what this condition does and does not do. It may have great impact on your appetite triggers where you eat and never feel satiated. It can impact your sleep and fatigue triggers making you feel sleepy and tired when you really are not. It has minimal impact on metabolism. ~5% from clinical observation and that is in the extreme case. This equates to ~80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day caloric budget.
It also can cause water retention, but that's really neither here nor there if the logging and tracking aren't en pointe to begin with.
BINGO!
ANY hormone shift causes water retention. This is your body's natural defense mechanism.
Note that this is the only clinically provable weight gain associated with hypothyroidism - water weight.
Yup. I lost four pounds in the first week of a med adjustment from being in an undermedicated state to an optimal state. Was it water? You bet. But thanks to meticulous logging, I know that the 16 pounds I put on in that year of being undermedicated was also water. And now I just need to wait for it to come off.
I told my therapist that I'm aware that if what the difference is between what I weigh, and what my calorie deficit should have me weigh, really was all water, that I'm going to have to see my dietitian to start working calories back in, because the difference is quite stark, and would put me in an underweight state.
But it was *having* those meticulous logs -- along with what my weight and my meds and my lab results were during that time -- that got my new endo to take me seriously, and come up with a treatment plan. If I hadn't had those, I'm sure he would have thought (as did my previous one, who refused to even look at them) that no, I was just blaming the hypothyroid instead of taking ownership.
Oh yeah - I blamed my condition for 14 years and just wallowed in failure. The moment I started tracking, logging, and being brutally honest with myself the world changed and I saw weight fall off just as intended at about an average 1 lb/week over a year.4 -
collectingblues wrote: »collectingblues wrote: »TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Let me just throw this out there right now. I did not at any point starve myself. I have a medical condition where I put on weight super easy and lose it very slowly normally. They adjusted my thyroid levels and now I'm closer to where I should be.
What was your last TSH reading? Did they take a full thyroid panel including fT3, fT4, and rT3?
Thyroid disorders have minimal impact on metabolism. It is important to understand what this condition does and does not do. It may have great impact on your appetite triggers where you eat and never feel satiated. It can impact your sleep and fatigue triggers making you feel sleepy and tired when you really are not. It has minimal impact on metabolism. ~5% from clinical observation and that is in the extreme case. This equates to ~80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day caloric budget.
It also can cause water retention, but that's really neither here nor there if the logging and tracking aren't en pointe to begin with.
BINGO!
ANY hormone shift causes water retention. This is your body's natural defense mechanism.
Note that this is the only clinically provable weight gain associated with hypothyroidism - water weight.
Yup. I lost four pounds in the first week of a med adjustment from being in an undermedicated state to an optimal state. Was it water? You bet. But thanks to meticulous logging, I know that the 16 pounds I put on in that year of being undermedicated was also water. And now I just need to wait for it to come off.
I told my therapist that I'm aware that if what the difference is between what I weigh, and what my calorie deficit should have me weigh, really was all water, that I'm going to have to see my dietitian to start working calories back in, because the difference is quite stark, and would put me in an underweight state.
But it was *having* those meticulous logs -- along with what my weight and my meds and my lab results were during that time -- that got my new endo to take me seriously, and come up with a treatment plan. If I hadn't had those, I'm sure he would have thought (as did my previous one, who refused to even look at them) that no, I was just blaming the hypothyroid instead of taking ownership.
Oh yeah - I blamed my condition for 14 years and just wallowed in failure. The moment I started tracking, logging, and being brutally honest with myself the world changed and I saw weight fall off just as intended at about an average 1 lb/week over a year.
I think the clincher for my doc -- and how we came up with the new dose -- was that I could show him that when I was properly medicated, I was *always* losing what the numbers said I should be losing, within 5 percent of expected, averaged out to about 100 calories (which I could live with, considering I'm a diabetic who periodically has to treat hypos, which I refuse to count in my calorie allotment, since that makes me want to not treat).
But when I wasn't properly medicated? There was a 150 to 200 percent difference between what was expected and what was observed, usually to the tune of my weight either staying flat, or gaining.
So he could look at all that data, conclude with my assessment that my dosing was too low, and then come up with a dose that was expected to work correctly. And indeed, so far, it has.
And after a year of this, I will be really happy to finally let my brain do *other* stuff besides run stats evals on my wonky thyroid.
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If the OP lost water weight (edema) because of her medical condition, there is nothing to be jealous about, no offence, because being jealous of a detrimental medical condition makes no sense.
If the OP lost mostly fat because of her large deficit, there is nothing to be jealous about, caution seriously intended, because being jealous of an unhealthily fast lost that leaves you primed for regain leads no-where, fast!
Regardless of WHAT COMBINATION of stuff the OP lost... it is obvious that the easy pickings are now gone and that the previous rate of loss is not long term sustainable.
The OP may really want to look into modifying her deficit if she wants to somehow manage to retain this loss. And also to look into a diet break to see if she can head off some of the issues that may start affecting her soon.
Or not.
<Yes, there exists literature that proves that with the right kind of motivation and with medical, nutritional and psychological support a person losing a lot of weight in a short period of time like the OP did MAY manage to have as good a success rate as a person losing weight in a slower, more sane manner. A lot of it is associated with weight loss professionals such as bariatric surgeons, some of it involves straight up VLCDs (some name brand ones, others generic). Since I am a bit short on the medical, nutritional, and psychological support departments, 'cause my weight loss support team's budget is closer to a Kia than a Ferrari, plus I prefer my doctors on the outside of my skin's barrier, I've chosen the slower DIY approach. Plus I've yet to hear of a person maintaining a long term wait loss by not modifying their previous way of eating, drinking, and moving. A lot of our eating, drinking, and moving is in response to habits and life circumstances. Most of us require some a heck of a lot of time to habituate ourselves to changed circumstances...5 -
michelle172415 wrote: »I think that you guys are being unnecessarily harsh to the OP. You have no idea what she ate or what her workouts consisted of or what her medical history is. Is that kind of loss normal? Not necessarily. Are we all a bit jealous? Probably, I know I am. I see so many people leave these boards because they get jumped on by all of the internet experts, and it isn't fair. My H lost 45lbs in a MONTH last year, and I promise you, he was not starving himself, he was just very, very diligent and was working out like a fiend.
Honestly I think the community at large is more concerned about what impression a "I lost 40 pounds in 80 days and eat 1000 calories a day but now I only lose weight at 1 pound a week" style post gives to those who might read such a post and get the impression that that is somehow at all normal or a good idea or something to hope or aim for. Therefore they point out, and rightfully so, how that is not a good approach and that sort of extreme can be actually quite harmful in the long term. They point this out not to be rude to the OP but to make it very clear to the casual reader that this isn't normal or something to aim for.
As others have pointed out either the OP was not starving herself but lost a ton of retained water due to a change in diet or dealing with a medical condition in which case her reported 40 pound weight loss in 80 days is just extremely misleading to the casual reader. Or, alternatively, that 40 pound loss was mostly bodyweight not from water in which case she was doing such an extreme caloric restriction that she most definitely lost muscle mass doing so which is something one should avoid at all costs.
To be blunt I am more concerned by the normalizing of this sort of approach as being okay and therefore emulated to the harm of those who do than I am about the feelings of one particular poster who doesn't want to be criticized verbally. I'm not here to give the thumbs up and you-can-do it to anyone who posts anything and if that was all the community was....then what use would it be to anyone?14 -
I am thinking we may have a very unusual amount of water weight. I have to think she would be in the hospital or close to it at a true fat loss in 80 days. No way she could exercise 6 days a week at a ~1750 per day calorie deficit, right?
In the first month actually. Right after they adjusted my meds.1 -
TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Let me just throw this out there right now. I did not at any point starve myself. I have a medical condition where I put on weight super easy and lose it very slowly normally. They adjusted my thyroid levels and now I'm closer to where I should be.
What was your last TSH reading? Did they take a full thyroid panel including fT3, fT4, and rT3?
Thyroid disorders have minimal impact on metabolism. It is important to understand what this condition does and does not do. It may have great impact on your appetite triggers where you eat and never feel satiated. It can impact your sleep and fatigue triggers making you feel sleepy and tired when you really are not. It has minimal impact on metabolism. ~5% from clinical observation and that is in the extreme case. This equates to ~80 kcals/day out of a 1600 kcal/day caloric budget.
I gained close to 70lbs in 6 months... weight much easier to lose after meds5 -
Perhaps in my original thread I should have listed my medical problems. My doctor said much of my initial weight loss was water. I was way more calorie restrictive... Not unhealthy and was medically observed in the beginning. If you look at my diary as of late my calories have been a lot higher. I was only ranting because of my propensity to gain weight rapidly. I in no way was implying that said weight loss was advised. I will be more careful of my wording in the future. As for a body scan... I didn't have that but I do go to the doctor once a month and he said I look much healthier and that I had good muscle tone.6
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TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »I am thinking we may have a very unusual amount of water weight. I have to think she would be in the hospital or close to it at a true fat loss in 80 days. No way she could exercise 6 days a week at a ~1750 per day calorie deficit, right?
In the first month actually. Right after they adjusted my meds.
I suspected as much which is why I backed off. There was just no way you could maintain enough of a deficit to accomplish it, had it been all fat, and still be upright with the exercise.
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TerranandKaylynsmommy wrote: »Perhaps in my original thread I should have listed my medical problems. My doctor said much of my initial weight loss was water. I was way more calorie restrictive... Not unhealthy and was medically observed in the beginning. If you look at my diary as of late my calories have been a lot higher. I was only ranting because of my propensity to gain weight rapidly. I in no way was implying that said weight loss was advised. I will be more careful of my wording in the future. As for a body scan... I didn't have that but I do go to the doctor once a month and he said I look much healthier and that I had good muscle tone.
I think that all makes sense, thank you for clarifying and apologies if you were offended by the response you got.3
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