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Coffee and Intermittent Fasting
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ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
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No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
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michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
well respected by who?? Fung is well known to be a complete quack who can't back up any of his claims with science.29 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
well respected by who?? Fung is well known to be a complete quack who can't back up any of his claims with science.
In the world of functional health and holistic medicine. Though I realize that we are the outliers for now.
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michelle172415 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
well respected by who?? Fung is well known to be a complete quack who can't back up any of his claims with science.
In the world of functional health and holistic medicine. Though I realize that we are the outliers for now.
Functional health and holistic medicine is quackery, completely based on pseudoscience and magic thinking. So yes, Fung is a quack.
Do you have any peer reviewed research to back up the health benefits of intermittent fasting?23 -
michelle172415 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
well respected by who?? Fung is well known to be a complete quack who can't back up any of his claims with science.
In the world of functional health and holistic medicine. Though I realize that we are the outliers for now.
Functional health and holistic medicine is quackery, completely based on pseudoscience and magic thinking. So yes, Fung is a quack.
Do you have any peer reviewed research to back up the health benefits of intermittent fasting?
I don't appreciate your tone nor your attack on my personal beliefs and chosen profession, so I will not be engaging in any further conversation with you.
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kommodevaran wrote: »If not breaking your fast is important, you have to stick to black coffee. If weight management is important, you have to stick to your total calorie allowance.
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michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
Fung is a complete quack and a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. He's like the perpetual punch line to a joke. His pseudoscientific theories stemming from cherry-picked study results have been debunked over and over again.
But it doesn't surprise me one bit that he would be popular in "functional health" and "holistic medicine" circles, since those are mired in woo and quackery as well. So kudos to Fung, at least he's found his niche.
As to the original topic - technically, if you are eating/drinking anything calorific, you are breaking your fast. But it doesn't matter because intermittent fasting is merely a way to help with satiety and adherence - at least for some people who find it works for them. Others find it better to eat numerous smaller meals spread out through the day in a longer time period. In the end, all that matters is calories. There's no magic whatsoever to intermittent fasting other than that.26 -
michelle172415 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
well respected by who?? Fung is well known to be a complete quack who can't back up any of his claims with science.
In the world of functional health and holistic medicine. Though I realize that we are the outliers for now.
Functional health and holistic medicine is quackery, completely based on pseudoscience and magic thinking. So yes, Fung is a quack.
Do you have any peer reviewed research to back up the health benefits of intermittent fasting?
I don't appreciate your tone nor your attack on my personal beliefs and chosen profession, so I will not be engaging in any further conversation with you.
So then that's a, "No?"
Do you have any peer reviewed research to back up the health benefits of intermittent fasting?18 -
kommodevaran wrote: »If not breaking your fast is important, you have to stick to black coffee. If weight management is important, you have to stick to your total calorie allowance.
Just as @kommodevaran says, if you are after the perceived benefits of fasting, well, you should probably fast!
I mean it could even be that "zero" calorie items such as tea will make your stomach feel full and negatively impact on your fast including the reving up of your metabolism so that you can perk up enough to go hunt for food, right?
And, by the way, this would be even more true if what you consume has a countable number of Calories. Brewed coffee, black, has close to 5 cal per 175ml and instant is closer to 4 Cal per gram, so one of MY black cups is closer to 16 Cal than zero.
If you're just interested in controlling your appetite, as many people are, all you need to do is experiment as to which balance of food vs no food, creamer or no creamer, sweatener or no sweatener, leaves you with the most calories available for later in the day.
The 9x.xx% benefit will come from your ability to control your calories. Not from a holistic magic metabolic rev up which requires a team of scientists to evaluate its existence.
P.S. I am perfectly fine to be ignored by any magical holistically inclined person. I strongly prefer my science fiction and fantasy to be labeled as such.13 -
michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
Couldn't make it past page 1 before Fung or diet doctor was brought up, I see.
Reported fasting benefits, whether intermittently or extended, come from the actual nature of calorie restriction, and in this case it is the absolute restriction. Adding nutritive calories break the autophagy arguments, and everything else such as fat loss, decrease in insulin resistance, hunger, etc. are really all by products of calorie restriction.
Drink your coffee with whatever you want. In the end your total calorie intake determines what your body does.10 -
I want to try intermittent fasting this time around (sigh). But I really like my morning coffee and I take it with cream and sugar.
Do any of you do intermittent fasting with coffee and if so - do you do plain coffee or with stuff in it?
TIA.
I just want to make sure you are looking into IF because you think it will be a good fit for you and you want to do it, not because you think there is anything special about IF.
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If we were to say that the conventional 3 meal a day person eats dinner at 6ish and breakfast at 6ish that would mean they are on a 12:12 schedule. For the average breakfast skipper the schedule is 16:8. Exactly what diet magic could possibly happen in 4 additional hours that didn't or wasn't happening in the previous 12?
And because I never get tired of saying it the 12:12 person is intermittently fasting too which means there is no IF diet. None. Nada.
I skip breakfast because it makes me hungrier to eat it. That is the only benefit. I am not on an IF diet.10 -
michelle172415 wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Drink your coffee how you like, and eat when you feel like it.... Just make food and additions to coffee fit your calorie goal!
This ^
No magic properties to fasting, just a calorie deficit. If you want a coffee when you wake but prefer not to eat until mid afternoon then do that
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. There are many proven health benefits of fasting, both intermittent and extended. Dr. Jason Fung is a well respected expert in this area. Here is a great article if you are interested in learning more. https://www.dietdoctor.com/intermittent-fasting
Learning from a bullhockey site? No thank you
I prefer my science to be of the peer reviewed variety from reputable sources
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Just for the record my eating pattern fits a 16-8 routine....... I can gain, maintain and lose eating this way depending on........ you guessed it, how many calories I eat compared to how many I burn9
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kshama2001 wrote: »I want to try intermittent fasting this time around (sigh). But I really like my morning coffee and I take it with cream and sugar.
Do any of you do intermittent fasting with coffee and if so - do you do plain coffee or with stuff in it?
TIA.
I just want to make sure you are looking into IF because you think it will be a good fit for you and you want to do it, not because you think there is anything special about IF.
Every single one of those other than IF do not appeal to me personally, not interested in not eating this or that and/or counting points/calories, etc.
So IF for me is great!7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I want to try intermittent fasting this time around (sigh). But I really like my morning coffee and I take it with cream and sugar.
Do any of you do intermittent fasting with coffee and if so - do you do plain coffee or with stuff in it?
TIA.
I just want to make sure you are looking into IF because you think it will be a good fit for you and you want to do it, not because you think there is anything special about IF.
Every single one of those other than IF do not appeal to me personally, not interested in not eating this or that and/or counting points/calories, etc.
So IF for me is great!
Unfortunately, IF doesn't result in a calorie deficit automatically. I'm glad it works for you though.12 -
Wow. Some of you are so needlessly mean and aggressive.24
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YvetteK2015 wrote: »I do IF because I don't want to set off my hunger signals before the afternoon. I take my coffee with a splash of creamer and a splash of milk. Comes out to 80 calories. Does not set off my hunger at all.
^This. I don't think IF has any magical properties other than regulating my appetite. A couple of cups of tea with half and half, while technically breaking my fast, aren't enough to set off my appetite. I happily drink them.7 -
michelle172415 wrote: »Wow. Some of you are so needlessly mean and aggressive.
Facts aren't mean or aggressive.23 -
michelle172415 wrote: »Wow. Some of you are so needlessly mean and aggressive.
When did telling the truth become "mean and aggressive"?19
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